Sloan: Heh – yeah, that about sums it up.

Baklava: Ok, ok … so he was half right I just thought I’d give ‘im credit for trying. Or something

Shooter: My thought on that is that you can’t *make* someone feel anything. Feelings are controlled internally. If you feel ashamed of something, it’s because you allowed yourself to be influenced into feeling that way.

… Some “Facts” -

“What the propagandists on the right have done is make people afraid to say they are Democrats”…

– should read:

- “What the Deans, Kennedys, Pillosis, Morres, Soroses, Fondas, Frankens, and others on the Left have done is make people afraid to say they are Democrats” …

- Dean is still looking for faeries in the pumpkin patch. They don’t need a message. They need to change the one they have, and that will never happen with people who exist in total denial. They’ve spoken, viciously and often, and their “message” has been rejected by the electorate. Somewhere down the line momma never taught them that you aren’t going to be invited to dinner if you keep peeing in the punch bowl.

- “We Democrats are for “Freedom to choose” …

( Translation: “Abortion on demand so some liberal fem can have a Doctor drill through her unborn baby’s head so her “progressive” boyfriend won’t dump her. I mean who needs THAT responsibility… )

- “We Democrats love the church and its congragation” …

( Translation: We hate you bible thumping jesus freaks and everything you believe in. But we need your votes, so we’ll pretend we like you and believe in morality, just as we pretend to give a flying f**k about gays and minority’s. We really roll out the Kum-buya BS during elections. then we forget you till the next time. Religion is great. Just as long as we don’t have to live next door to it. Can’t you just feel the love?…)

- “We Democrats have values and morality just as much as the Republicans”…

(Translation: Morality is all relative, so whatever we do is really ok. One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter, even if it gets harder to find places to hide the severed heads. Personal resonsibility is a pain in the ass. But we’ll do our best to appear as if we believe in it so we can get your vote. We need all the government giva-ways and freebee’s we can get. Welfare for everyone is a constitutional right! Just ask our liberal jusdges on the SC.)

The “New Democratic party” creedo:

– “Too each according to their sloth… From each according to their gullibility…” – Karl Jackass LurchKerry

(edited to change the spelling of “Democrates” – let’s keep the convo a bit above board. I don’t want to see terms like “Repuglicans” used, either, and will edit anyone who uses terms like that as well. Thanks! Oh I also fixed the URL you provided for your homepage as it there was a double http:// inserted in there somehow. It’s clickable now. –ST)

He really meant;

“What the propagandists on the right have done is make people ASHAMED to say they are Democrats,”

I don’t think these parts of his speech were true:
1) “What the propagandists on the right have done”
2) “because their version of the facts is very unfactual.”

So… He gets it half right!

–Bush lied, people died.
–Even more “progressive,” confiscatory taxation.
–A vast expansion of government programs and services.
–Socialized medicine.
–Prosecute the WoT as an anti-crime measure rather than a military operation.
–Suck up to France, Germany, Russia, and other so-called “allies.”

Those are a few talking points that come to mind off the top of my head. I’m sure Howard will have more for us.

I two party system is a good thing. Unfortunately, we have one party and one collection of unfortuntes equally divided between special interests and fugitives from the magic bus.:lol:

The Dems won’t come back until they find important issues with which they really can side with the American people themselves.:neutral:

P.S. Playing with emoticons are fun!:grin: