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	<title>Comments on: On group think and how it threatens our freedoms</title>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49436</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian said &lt;em&gt;The Nazi philosophy revolved around murdering others because of their race. To compare every action that someone finds offensive to Nazis trivializes what they did.&lt;/em&gt;- Brian, &lt;strong&gt;no one &lt;/strong&gt; on this site is trying to trivalize what the Nazis did. Nor are we saying the blacks that condemn Steele are acting like Nazis in the sense of the murdering.  But I am sure that you knew that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian said <em>The Nazi philosophy revolved around murdering others because of their race. To compare every action that someone finds offensive to Nazis trivializes what they did.</em>- Brian, <strong>no one </strong> on this site is trying to trivalize what the Nazis did. Nor are we saying the blacks that condemn Steele are acting like Nazis in the sense of the murdering.  But I am sure that you knew that.</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49426</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I used the editorial you.  Is English your second language?

Still, you have to have your nose rubbed in the fact that Sen. Schumer&#039;s aides broke the law to get dirt on Steele to keep Steele out of the US Senate.  Schumer should have fired these two aides if he were consistant with his rhetoric, and you&#039;d should have been calling for their firing, if you were an honest person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I used the editorial you.  Is English your second language?</p>
<p>Still, you have to have your nose rubbed in the fact that Sen. Schumer&#8217;s aides broke the law to get dirt on Steele to keep Steele out of the US Senate.  Schumer should have fired these two aides if he were consistant with his rhetoric, and you&#8217;d should have been calling for their firing, if you were an honest person.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49220</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lonica,

I didn&#039;t notice that the statements about &quot;Nazi-land&quot; came from another article.  Regardless of who made the original statement, I still find it very ignorant, referring to the black leaders&#039; views mentioned in the article, as &quot;Nazi-land&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonica,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t notice that the statements about &#8220;Nazi-land&#8221; came from another article.  Regardless of who made the original statement, I still find it very ignorant, referring to the black leaders&#8217; views mentioned in the article, as &#8220;Nazi-land&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49207</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam,

The Nazi philosophy revolved around murdering others because of their race.  To compare every action that someone finds offensive to Nazis trivializes what they did.

I never said I approved of any statements made about Mr. Steele.  The only thing I disapproved of is comparing statements that one finds offensive to Nazis.  There is no comparison.

If Mr. Steele chooses to run for public office people have the right to criticize him.  I don&#039;t approve of using racial slurs against black politicians by whites or blacks but people have a right to criticize him if they disagree with his positions.  If people think his policies are bad for the black community, they have a right to say so.  If they are using racial slurs to do this, I think it hurts their cause more than it helps it.  According to the article, racial slurs were condemned by Republicans and Democrats, and rightfully so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam,</p>
<p>The Nazi philosophy revolved around murdering others because of their race.  To compare every action that someone finds offensive to Nazis trivializes what they did.</p>
<p>I never said I approved of any statements made about Mr. Steele.  The only thing I disapproved of is comparing statements that one finds offensive to Nazis.  There is no comparison.</p>
<p>If Mr. Steele chooses to run for public office people have the right to criticize him.  I don&#8217;t approve of using racial slurs against black politicians by whites or blacks but people have a right to criticize him if they disagree with his positions.  If people think his policies are bad for the black community, they have a right to say so.  If they are using racial slurs to do this, I think it hurts their cause more than it helps it.  According to the article, racial slurs were condemned by Republicans and Democrats, and rightfully so.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49188</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PCD,

&lt;em&gt;Edited. --ST&lt;/em&gt;  Where on earth do you get the idea that I impersonated Mr. Steele to get his private credit record or had anything to do with such an act?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PCD,</p>
<p><em>Edited. &#8211;ST</em>  Where on earth do you get the idea that I impersonated Mr. Steele to get his private credit record or had anything to do with such an act?</p>
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		<title>By: Lorica</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49079</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HELLO Earth To Brian?????  Sister DID NOT compare anything to the Nazi&#039;s.  She only posted the article, Then said &quot; I DON&#039;T LIKE&quot;!!!  Damn Boy, what is it with you that you need to bend reality into some fantasy world, where you don&#039;t have to read the facts or respond directly.  Has it always been your way to present off center arguments when you are in a discussion.  I have yet to see you not try your best to deflect your answers in an attempt to make someone look foolish.  Please stop saying Sister said something that she clearly did not.  - Lorica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELLO Earth To Brian?????  Sister DID NOT compare anything to the Nazi&#8217;s.  She only posted the article, Then said &#8221; I DON&#8217;T LIKE&#8221;!!!  Damn Boy, what is it with you that you need to bend reality into some fantasy world, where you don&#8217;t have to read the facts or respond directly.  Has it always been your way to present off center arguments when you are in a discussion.  I have yet to see you not try your best to deflect your answers in an attempt to make someone look foolish.  Please stop saying Sister said something that she clearly did not.  &#8211; Lorica</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian- to not listen and try to understand is ignorant. The comparison is not that of the killing that the Nazis did, it was the &quot;group think&quot; philosophy that they held. We will think and act alike, with no variations. Nothing more. And that is the epitomy of ignorance.  Blacks in this country fought too long and too many people died for this type of behaviour to happen to Mr. Steele.  Why is it acceptable to throw racial slurs Mr. Steeles way?  Should he not be held up as a role model? One could say that they don&#039;t agree with his politics, but to claim he is not black? Come on! That is ignorant.  If you had a choice to use Marion Barry or Michael Steele as a role model for the black youth, who would it be? And why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian- to not listen and try to understand is ignorant. The comparison is not that of the killing that the Nazis did, it was the &#8220;group think&#8221; philosophy that they held. We will think and act alike, with no variations. Nothing more. And that is the epitomy of ignorance.  Blacks in this country fought too long and too many people died for this type of behaviour to happen to Mr. Steele.  Why is it acceptable to throw racial slurs Mr. Steeles way?  Should he not be held up as a role model? One could say that they don&#8217;t agree with his politics, but to claim he is not black? Come on! That is ignorant.  If you had a choice to use Marion Barry or Michael Steele as a role model for the black youth, who would it be? And why?</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-49023</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Do you ever listen to what anyone else says?

I find it horrible that Liberals, such as yourself, can&#039;t see the hypocrisy in the way you treat Mr. Steele.  You break the law by impersonating him to get his private credit record, then you don&#039;t fire the people who broke the law, and you don&#039;t demand the politician involved appologize and resign for harassing a black man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Do you ever listen to what anyone else says?</p>
<p>I find it horrible that Liberals, such as yourself, can&#8217;t see the hypocrisy in the way you treat Mr. Steele.  You break the law by impersonating him to get his private credit record, then you don&#8217;t fire the people who broke the law, and you don&#8217;t demand the politician involved appologize and resign for harassing a black man.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-48945</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lonica,

It doesn&#039;t matter whether she likes doing it or not.  Comparing making a statement that a black politician&#039;s &quot;values and political philosophies aren&#039;t the same as those of the majority of black folks&quot; to Nazis trivializes what the Nazis did.  To do so is just ignorant.  

David,

It wasn&#039;t just the view of the Nazis that &quot;the belief that race and nationality are the most important things about an individual&quot;.  It was alot more than that.

Here are some early quotes from hitler:
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm

Don&#039;t be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus.  Don&#039;t think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis.  This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst.  (1920)

In 1922, when Joseph Hell asked Hitler what he intended doing if he ever had full freedom of action against the Jews, his response was:

        &quot;If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!&quot;

Do you really see this quotes by hitler as meaning nothing more than,&quot;the belief that race and nationality are the most important things about an individual&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonica,</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether she likes doing it or not.  Comparing making a statement that a black politician&#8217;s &#8220;values and political philosophies aren&#8217;t the same as those of the majority of black folks&#8221; to Nazis trivializes what the Nazis did.  To do so is just ignorant.  </p>
<p>David,</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t just the view of the Nazis that &#8220;the belief that race and nationality are the most important things about an individual&#8221;.  It was alot more than that.</p>
<p>Here are some early quotes from hitler:<br />
<a href="http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus.  Don&#8217;t think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis.  This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst.  (1920)</p>
<p>In 1922, when Joseph Hell asked Hitler what he intended doing if he ever had full freedom of action against the Jews, his response was:</p>
<p>        &#8220;If I am ever really in power, the destruction of the Jews will be my first and most important job. As soon as I have power, I shall have gallows after gallows erected, for example, in Munich on the Marienplatz-as many of them as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged one after another, and they will stay hanging until they stink. They will stay hanging as long as hygienically possible. As soon as they are untied, then the next group will follow and that will continue until the last Jew in Munich is exterminated. Exactly the same procedure will be followed in other cities until Germany is cleansed of the last Jew!&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really see this quotes by hitler as meaning nothing more than,&#8221;the belief that race and nationality are the most important things about an individual&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-48843</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 04:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lorica :)

David, it&#039;s somewhat related, but &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; remotely (IMO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lorica <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_smiley.gif' alt='&#58;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#41;' /></p>
<p>David, it&#8217;s somewhat related, but <em>very</em> remotely (IMO).</p>
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		<title>By: Lorica</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-48779</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Sister also said &quot;She did not like the invoking of Nazism&quot;.   Do you not read the articles at all or do you just throw out whatever opinion you have about the titles?? - Lorica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Sister also said &#8220;She did not like the invoking of Nazism&#8221;.   Do you not read the articles at all or do you just throw out whatever opinion you have about the titles?? &#8211; Lorica</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-48628</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian...I am very well aware of the history of Naziism. It didn&#039;t *start* with the murder of eleven million people; it ended there. It *began* with a certain set of ideas and attitudes; specifically, the belief that race and nationality are the most important things about an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian&#8230;I am very well aware of the history of Naziism. It didn&#8217;t *start* with the murder of eleven million people; it ended there. It *began* with a certain set of ideas and attitudes; specifically, the belief that race and nationality are the most important things about an individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Right On! :: Blackzies! :: November :: 2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right On! :: Blackzies! :: November :: 2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 13:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin has a piece on it, as does Sister Toldjah on this page. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michelle Malkin has a piece on it, as does Sister Toldjah on this page. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-48616</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 05:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

There is no comparison between what was described in the article and what the Nazis did.  The Nazis murdered over eleven million people.  I don&#039;t see how anyone can compare stating &quot;that Steele&#039;s values and political philosophies aren&#039;t the same as those of the majority of black folks&quot; to murdering millions of people.  That&#039;s just ignorant.  If Sister Toldjah spent time in a Nazi concentration camp, I assure you she wouldn&#039;t throw the word Nazi around so lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>There is no comparison between what was described in the article and what the Nazis did.  The Nazis murdered over eleven million people.  I don&#8217;t see how anyone can compare stating &#8220;that Steele&#8217;s values and political philosophies aren&#8217;t the same as those of the majority of black folks&#8221; to murdering millions of people.  That&#8217;s just ignorant.  If Sister Toldjah spent time in a Nazi concentration camp, I assure you she wouldn&#8217;t throw the word Nazi around so lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/11/05/on-group-think-and-how-it-threatens-our-freedoms/comment-page-1/#comment-48466</link>
		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The invocation of Naziism here may be a stretch, but consider this quote from a prominent Nazi:

&quot;One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS men - we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian or to a Czech does not interest me in the slightest.&quot; (Heinrich Himmler)

Isn&#039;t this at least *somewhat* related to the belief--which seems increasingly dominant in the Democratic Party--that a person can only &quot;represent&quot; those of his own race?

In both cases, human universalism is abandoned for racial particularism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The invocation of Naziism here may be a stretch, but consider this quote from a prominent Nazi:</p>
<p>&#8220;One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS men &#8211; we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian or to a Czech does not interest me in the slightest.&#8221; (Heinrich Himmler)</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this at least *somewhat* related to the belief&#8211;which seems increasingly dominant in the Democratic Party&#8211;that a person can only &#8220;represent&#8221; those of his own race?</p>
<p>In both cases, human universalism is abandoned for racial particularism.</p>
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