Making cocaine and murder illegal prevents many people from committing murders or using cocaine. There is no evidence that making abortion illegal will prevent anyone from having an abortion. The fact is that in the countries with the lowest abortion rates, abortions are safe and legal while in many countries with the highest abortion rates, abortions are against the law.

So lets make everything legal since someone is bound to break the law even if it’s illegal.

Cocaine=legal
Murder=legal

What difference does laws make?

Laws and rules are what keep us from becoming some backwater country where anarchy is the only constant.

There will always be some kind of abortion, even if it is made illegal, just the same as there are other crimes committed even if the act is illegal. That is why we have a criminal justice system. To determine if the law has been broken and punish those who break the law.

And before people begin to say your punishing those in medical need or the life of the mother is in danger, those should be determined on a case by case basis. Because it is WELL KNOWN, that most abortions are for convienence (don’t want to interupt thier life style, they don’t want a baby but got pregnant anyways by accident, will cause them hardship for college, wont get the job they want…ect) and not even most are for life threatening of the mother.

Your comment, “Anti-murderists are unable to understand that making murder illegal doesn’t stop people from murdering”, gave me the impression you were equating abortion with murder. I wasn’t lying about what you said. I misunderstood you. Making murder illegal does stop many people from murdering. There is no evidence that making abortion illegal stops women from having abortions. In the countries with the lowest abortion rates, abortions are safe and legal. In countries with the highest abortion rates abortion is illegal.

Making social abortions illegal past the 12th week won’t stop women from having abortions past the 12th week. It seems the whole anti-abortion movement is about punishing people involved with abortions rather than preventing them from taking place.

While I didn’t call it murder as you incorrectly accused me of… I’m not sure why you went on that tangent except maybe to divert attention and not have to answer whether you’d support a ban on social abortions after the 10th or 12th week like France and Germany?

Please refrain from lying about what I wrote. Your inaccurate accusations is a pattern but when you do it about what I say there is no point in engaging with you.

I simply changed the words in your post by replacing abortion with murder to make a point which was LOST on you.

1) Do you see the point now?
2) Do you see the question that was asked of you of which week of life you would support a law like France and Germany’s and can you come to some middle ground (where France and Germany went to at least) and support no social abortions past the 10th or 12th week?

Some countries have a culture of chopping of hands or stoning a person to death also. Just becasue it may seem like a good idea for thier culture and country does not make it good for ours.

Does the US have a moral superiority, maybe in some extent we do feel that way, but I don’t think we do. But what country has more immigration and foriegn individuals flocking to it every day? For everyones bashing and hating of the US, they either one, do it from WITHIN the US (the place the hate so much), or they are trying to get into the US to enjoy the freedoms that the US enjoys.

Btw, just because YOU say abortion is not murder does not make it not so also.

Your wrong.
You wouldn’t be standing here today if your mother decided to murder you.

If we were to do the same thing to someone in a coma lets just say, there would be massive outcry of murder.

Partial-birth abortion also is murder. I will give you links to pictures of partial birth abortions and let you decide for yourself. It is an absolutely disgusting how LIFE has been denegrated to its lowest denominator.

The only way to end this debate would be for once and for all, have a consensus of when life begins.

Sighs

This whole topic makes my head hurt and heart ache. I cannot look at my children (ages 1.5 and 3) and even think of that possibility, to even think of them not being there. They are LIFE, they didn’t suddenly come into being as soon as they left the womb.

you may want to rethink using wikipedia as a source since any activist can put any amount of propaganda in the definitions, and they have especially from your side of the aisle.

Abortion is not murder. Just because you say it is doesn’t make it so.

According to the World Health Organization, 68,000 women die a result of complications of unsafe abortion and between two million and seven million women each year survive unsafe abortion, but sustain long-term damage or disease (incomplete abortion, infection (sepsis), hemorrhage and injury to the internal organs, such as puncturing or tearing of the uterus).(IPAS).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortions
Is 68,000 deaths from unsafe abortions not enough for you? How many more deaths would you like to see?

The fact is that in countries with the lowest abortions rates, abortions are safe and legal, while in many countries with the highest abortion rates, abortions are illegal. In Columbia, women can be imprisoned for up to four and a half years for having abortions even in cases of rape or when their lives are at risk.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/22/colomb11202.htm
With a population of approximately 41 million people, it is estimated that approximately 450,000 abortions occur every year in Colombia. This would be equivalent to the United States having approximately 3 million abortions each year.

It seems that based on the policies that many of them support, most anti-abortionists are more interested in punishing people responsible for abortions rather than preventing them in the first place.

A woman who wants an abortion and is not allowed to have one will end up torturing that child, possibly unintentionally, possibly not, but torturing them nevertheless.

She sent me an email correcting me and clarifying her position:

The unloved child can feel tortured because their needs are basically for comfort and love, and without these needs being met, emotional/mental human development cannot occur. The unloved child usually grows into an adult filled hatred and rage, whom often become sociopaths, criminals, etc, and treat others as they have been treated. They cannot do otherwise as it is all they know how to do. So the damage is continued and increased through generations.

You can see that she is eruditer than me

Time for a posting break steve.

You may wish to keep on topic instead of going off on the rant of everything Bush. This article, as far as I could tell, has NOTHING to do with the Bush administration.

~sanity
there is so little left in the world.