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		<title>By: Big Bang Hunter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/12/29/helping-third-graders-become-anti-war/comment-page-1/#comment-101347</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bang Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- No &quot;Gary&quot;. No one has the time or inclination to respond to the litany of phony, brain dead, empty BS screeds of the ass-hat left anymore. Its all been done countless times. Boring actually. That bus left when LurchKerry got his lying ass kicked at the ballot box. Catch up with current events Sparky.

- Bang **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- No &#8220;Gary&#8221;. No one has the time or inclination to respond to the litany of phony, brain dead, empty BS screeds of the ass-hat left anymore. Its all been done countless times. Boring actually. That bus left when LurchKerry got his lying ass kicked at the ballot box. Catch up with current events Sparky.</p>
<p>- Bang <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/12/29/helping-third-graders-become-anti-war/comment-page-1/#comment-101316</link>
		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what&#039;s with the sudden spate of necroposting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what&#8217;s with the sudden spate of necroposting?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Steve. I am in complete agreement. I am sure if those kids had followed Fox News, CNN and other news media they would have recieved more than their fair share of pro war propaganda. Given the Bush administrations claims about Saddam Husseins none existant weapons of mass destruction, and equally bogus claims and innuendo linked Saddam with Al quaida when both were in fact enemies, did the mainstream media do anything to expose these lies before sending it&#039;s troops, young men and women to war. The answer as we all know is of course not. Instead the media Fox, CNN, and others were all to keen to act on behalf of the adminstration with it&#039;s embedded journalists acting as an extension of the propaganda machine, uncritically parroting official claims, providing a suitable fanfare towards the inevitable approach of the war on Iraq, irrespective of public opinion across the world, intelligence reports demonstrating that such an attack would increase terrorism, weapons inspections and international law.

A precondition for peace in Iraq would be the immediate withdrawal of all coalition troops. It is already a blood bath and in no small part the U.S. and U.K. governments are responsible. War reparations should be paid by the U. S and British governments for the damage caused by war, to the infrastructure, and the loss of civilan lives, over 100,000 deaths(read Lancet study)in one year alone than there would have been had not the invasion occured, and also for over ten years of sanctions that weakened the iraqi people and allowed a tyrant to hold on to power who least we forget was a U.S. ally when he commited his worst atrocities, in Halabja for example in march 1988. Also there should be some justice, for the leaders responsible for the war to be put on trail for war crimes. That means Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush, Tony Blair and his entire cabinet, Mr Halliburton Dick Cheney, and others, for launching an ilegal war of aggression, war crimes against civilians including the use of depleted uranium, cluster bombs and chemical weapons, wanton destruction of towns and cities, the use of torture and incaration with out trail in Abu Graib and Guantanamo. All crimes that they would prosecuted for at Nuremburg. It should be the least that we demand for the sake of our own humanity. 

The crucial question we need to ask as occupiers is &quot;Do they want us to be there?&quot;. According to a poll by the British Ministry of Defence carried out by Iraqi university reseachers this past august the answer would seem to be a resounding no! 82 percent are strongly opposed to the presence of coalition troops and less than 1 percent believe they are responsible for any improvement in security. So coalition forces should withdrawal as the population wants them to. Instead they remain and the situation deteriorates with yet more daily deaths in Iraq, and more Muslims recuited by Al quaida while they try and set up a client regime they can control in a region rich in oil.

So I salute the Frank Allis Elementary School in Madison Wisconsin, and their third grade pupils. Calling for an end to the war in Iraq is the humane thing to do. I think  most contributors underestimate the intelligence of these young pupils. I think they know what they are doing and are less indoctrinated than most contributors to this site.

I find most of the contributions hilarious on this site and look forward to some good old bellicose,jingoistic, right wing patriotic outraged responses or you might suprise me and actually say something quite thoughtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Steve. I am in complete agreement. I am sure if those kids had followed Fox News, CNN and other news media they would have recieved more than their fair share of pro war propaganda. Given the Bush administrations claims about Saddam Husseins none existant weapons of mass destruction, and equally bogus claims and innuendo linked Saddam with Al quaida when both were in fact enemies, did the mainstream media do anything to expose these lies before sending it&#8217;s troops, young men and women to war. The answer as we all know is of course not. Instead the media Fox, CNN, and others were all to keen to act on behalf of the adminstration with it&#8217;s embedded journalists acting as an extension of the propaganda machine, uncritically parroting official claims, providing a suitable fanfare towards the inevitable approach of the war on Iraq, irrespective of public opinion across the world, intelligence reports demonstrating that such an attack would increase terrorism, weapons inspections and international law.</p>
<p>A precondition for peace in Iraq would be the immediate withdrawal of all coalition troops. It is already a blood bath and in no small part the U.S. and U.K. governments are responsible. War reparations should be paid by the U. S and British governments for the damage caused by war, to the infrastructure, and the loss of civilan lives, over 100,000 deaths(read Lancet study)in one year alone than there would have been had not the invasion occured, and also for over ten years of sanctions that weakened the iraqi people and allowed a tyrant to hold on to power who least we forget was a U.S. ally when he commited his worst atrocities, in Halabja for example in march 1988. Also there should be some justice, for the leaders responsible for the war to be put on trail for war crimes. That means Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush, Tony Blair and his entire cabinet, Mr Halliburton Dick Cheney, and others, for launching an ilegal war of aggression, war crimes against civilians including the use of depleted uranium, cluster bombs and chemical weapons, wanton destruction of towns and cities, the use of torture and incaration with out trail in Abu Graib and Guantanamo. All crimes that they would prosecuted for at Nuremburg. It should be the least that we demand for the sake of our own humanity. </p>
<p>The crucial question we need to ask as occupiers is &#8220;Do they want us to be there?&#8221;. According to a poll by the British Ministry of Defence carried out by Iraqi university reseachers this past august the answer would seem to be a resounding no! 82 percent are strongly opposed to the presence of coalition troops and less than 1 percent believe they are responsible for any improvement in security. So coalition forces should withdrawal as the population wants them to. Instead they remain and the situation deteriorates with yet more daily deaths in Iraq, and more Muslims recuited by Al quaida while they try and set up a client regime they can control in a region rich in oil.</p>
<p>So I salute the Frank Allis Elementary School in Madison Wisconsin, and their third grade pupils. Calling for an end to the war in Iraq is the humane thing to do. I think  most contributors underestimate the intelligence of these young pupils. I think they know what they are doing and are less indoctrinated than most contributors to this site.</p>
<p>I find most of the contributions hilarious on this site and look forward to some good old bellicose,jingoistic, right wing patriotic outraged responses or you might suprise me and actually say something quite thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;steve, you should be kept away from children and voting boxes. You can&#039;t be trusted.&quot; 

people can&#039;t be trusted to vote? someone is really scared!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;steve, you should be kept away from children and voting boxes. You can&#8217;t be trusted.&#8221; </p>
<p>people can&#8217;t be trusted to vote? someone is really scared!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skubinna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Skubinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve roots for nobody, Kevin.  He&#039;s really a nihilist - probably an &quot;Imagine&quot; sort of nihilist, who believes nothing is worth fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve roots for nobody, Kevin.  He&#8217;s really a nihilist &#8211; probably an &#8220;Imagine&#8221; sort of nihilist, who believes nothing is worth fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve&#039;s not really anti-war.  He&#039;s just rooting for the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&#8217;s not really anti-war.  He&#8217;s just rooting for the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Improbulus Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Improbulus Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with people like steve who talk about peace, but unconditionally support mass murderers? Such people need taken out and shot for the good of humanity, because they are more dangerous than a serial killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with people like steve who talk about peace, but unconditionally support mass murderers? Such people need taken out and shot for the good of humanity, because they are more dangerous than a serial killer.</p>
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		<title>By: random10</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/12/29/helping-third-graders-become-anti-war/comment-page-1/#comment-64033</link>
		<dc:creator>random10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 05:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:

http://random10.blogspot.com/2005/11/madison-teachers-cross-line.html

All the links from the Wisconsin Blogosphere when this story broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:</p>
<p><a href="http://random10.blogspot.com/2005/11/madison-teachers-cross-line.html" rel="nofollow">http://random10.blogspot.com/2005/11/madison-teachers-cross-line.html</a></p>
<p>All the links from the Wisconsin Blogosphere when this story broke.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skubinna</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/12/29/helping-third-graders-become-anti-war/comment-page-1/#comment-64024</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Skubinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would prevent Sharon Johnson from having her child write a letter on her own?  Is it only valid if the teacher makes all the other children write them at the same time?

The truist example of hypocrisy here is her admission that she would have objected had the assignment been to write a &quot;support the troops&quot; letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would prevent Sharon Johnson from having her child write a letter on her own?  Is it only valid if the teacher makes all the other children write them at the same time?</p>
<p>The truist example of hypocrisy here is her admission that she would have objected had the assignment been to write a &#8220;support the troops&#8221; letter.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean the Peace sign Sister? Peace:)&gt;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean the Peace sign Sister? Peace<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_peace.gif' alt='&#58;&#41;&#62;&#45;' class='wp-smiley' width='22' height='18' title='&#58;&#41;&#62;&#45;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Enrique - especially that last one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Enrique &#8211; especially that last one <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_smiley.gif' alt='&#58;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#41;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are interested in bloodbath Steve.

Pulling out of Iraq before stabilized and on their own would result in a power vacuum. Your solution would result in bloodbath. Since you mistate what people are interested in I can only say it&#039;s fitting that I say what you are intersted in... a BLOODBATH. Why are you interested in a bloodbath steve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are interested in bloodbath Steve.</p>
<p>Pulling out of Iraq before stabilized and on their own would result in a power vacuum. Your solution would result in bloodbath. Since you mistate what people are interested in I can only say it&#8217;s fitting that I say what you are intersted in&#8230; a BLOODBATH. Why are you interested in a bloodbath steve?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace is an ideology? If so my ideology is the same as Christ&#039;s was and that is  the Peace ideology. Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace is an ideology? If so my ideology is the same as Christ&#8217;s was and that is  the Peace ideology. Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why History/Gov&#039;t are subjects we hired a tutor for in teaching my little sister. (not full home schooling)

Too many teachers these days are not giving students a full picture of what happened in a period and letting the individuals form opinions. 

Its NOT ok to start a lesson with &quot;This is history&#039;s greatest mistake&quot;, no more then i would want to hear that &quot;this is history&#039;s greatest triumph&quot;. 

Mistake or Triumph to who!? - a 25yo fresh out of college just looking to work off student loans?

Compared to what? - last week&#039;s lessons?

I would not support this program because i would not support ideology being instilled into a mind that doesn&#039;t know any better. 

Considering how much the Liberal left claims that all conservatives are brainwashed, they sure do start early in the ideological training! :)&gt;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why History/Gov&#8217;t are subjects we hired a tutor for in teaching my little sister. (not full home schooling)</p>
<p>Too many teachers these days are not giving students a full picture of what happened in a period and letting the individuals form opinions. </p>
<p>Its NOT ok to start a lesson with &#8220;This is history&#8217;s greatest mistake&#8221;, no more then i would want to hear that &#8220;this is history&#8217;s greatest triumph&#8221;. </p>
<p>Mistake or Triumph to who!? &#8211; a 25yo fresh out of college just looking to work off student loans?</p>
<p>Compared to what? &#8211; last week&#8217;s lessons?</p>
<p>I would not support this program because i would not support ideology being instilled into a mind that doesn&#8217;t know any better. </p>
<p>Considering how much the Liberal left claims that all conservatives are brainwashed, they sure do start early in the ideological training! <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_peace.gif' alt='&#58;&#41;&#62;&#45;' class='wp-smiley' width='22' height='18' title='&#58;&#41;&#62;&#45;' /></p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve, you should be kept away from children and voting boxes.  You can&#039;t be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve, you should be kept away from children and voting boxes.  You can&#8217;t be trusted.</p>
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