Comments on: On politicizing the Patriot Act and the NSA ’scandal’ http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:28:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: PCD http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73746 PCD Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:28:01 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73746 steve, our policy regarding Israel is that it must exist as a sovereign nation. You want the zionists pushed into the sea. Some man of peace you are. steve, our policy regarding Israel is that it must exist as a sovereign nation. You want the zionists pushed into the sea. Some man of peace you are.

]]> By: steve http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73661 steve Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:54:45 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73661 The Patriot Act is a theatrical device to keep the American public on edge. Again, if the Queda is so tough why has Saudi Arabia already wiped out 90% of it? Our foreign policy visa vie Israel must change. Everybody has a right to exist. Peace The Patriot Act is a theatrical device to keep the American public on edge. Again, if the Queda is so tough why has Saudi Arabia already wiped out 90% of it? Our foreign policy visa vie Israel must change. Everybody has a right to exist. Peace

]]> By: andrew http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73633 andrew Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:20:14 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73633 "Critics contend that the Patriot Act was rushed into law in a moment of panic. The truth is, the policies and guidelines it corrected had a long, troubled history and everybody who had to deal with them knew it. " Those are both true. “Critics contend that the Patriot Act was rushed into law in a moment of panic. The truth is, the policies and guidelines it corrected had a long, troubled history and everybody who had to deal with them knew it. ”

Those are both true.

]]> By: GBA http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73567 GBA Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:21:27 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73567 Of course I did. But I don't have a problem with gas prices. Sure I wish they were lower but whether gas is $2 or $5 a gallon it doesn't effect my life very much at all. It is what it is. And here's another useful bit of info for you. Most American oil is used not for fuel but instead for polymere related materials because of it's relatively high sulphur content which makes it very expensive to process into gasoline. Most American refineries are set up to process sweet-light crude like that of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran and Venezuela to name a few. So that oil rig at Padre Island National Seashore has nothing to do with gas in my car. Of course I did.

But I don’t have a problem with gas prices. Sure I wish they were lower but whether gas is $2 or $5 a gallon it doesn’t effect my life very much at all. It is what it is.

And here’s another useful bit of info for you. Most American oil is used not for fuel but instead for polymere related materials because of it’s relatively high sulphur content which makes it very expensive to process into gasoline. Most American refineries are set up to process sweet-light crude like that of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran and Venezuela to name a few.

So that oil rig at Padre Island National Seashore has nothing to do with gas in my car.

]]> By: PCD http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73552 PCD Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:36:21 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73552 GBA, did you ever stop to think that without those oil rigs that you would not have the gasoline to drive? GBA, did you ever stop to think that without those oil rigs that you would not have the gasoline to drive?

]]> By: GBA http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73549 GBA Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:30:21 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73549 Steve says "The Clean Air Act is not about having air clean and the Patriot Act has nothing to do with being a real patriot." You must have read them. I did too. The Patriot Act can't be Constitutionally correct. It relieves ordinary Americans of too many liberties and rights to be considered even remotely patriotic. The Clean Air Act is one of the greatest examples of "loophole legistlation" ever crafted. It does not serve the interest of the American people unless the interest of the American people is the welfare and prosperity of the Petro-Chemical and Phramaceutical industries. My favorite is the new Energy Bill that was passed last year. Now friends of the White House are free to drill for whatever they want in our National Parks. That includes Yellowstone where drilling is underway. I personally saw drilling at the Padre Island National Seashore even before the bill was passed. They were so sure of it passing that they were not concerned about the current law prohibiting drilling in National Parks. I'm not a treehugger but it sucks to drive a thousand miles to go on vacation only to set up camp next to an oil rig. Steve says “The Clean Air Act is not about having air clean and the Patriot Act has nothing to do with being a real patriot.”

You must have read them. I did too. The Patriot Act can’t be Constitutionally correct. It relieves ordinary Americans of too many liberties and rights to be considered even remotely patriotic.

The Clean Air Act is one of the greatest examples of “loophole legistlation” ever crafted. It does not serve the interest of the American people unless the interest of the American people is the welfare and prosperity of the Petro-Chemical and Phramaceutical industries.

My favorite is the new Energy Bill that was passed last year. Now friends of the White House are free to drill for whatever they want in our National Parks. That includes Yellowstone where drilling is underway. I personally saw drilling at the Padre Island National Seashore even before the bill was passed. They were so sure of it passing that they were not concerned about the current law prohibiting drilling in National Parks.

I’m not a treehugger but it sucks to drive a thousand miles to go on vacation only to set up camp next to an oil rig.

]]> By: PCD http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73538 PCD Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:41:59 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73538 steve doesn't have the courage of his ravings, else he'd be in Gaza. steve doesn’t have the courage of his ravings, else he’d be in Gaza.

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73534 Big Bang Hunter Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:36:46 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73534 - Steve go hug a tree. Trees are our friends. They say they make incredibly good objects to hide behind for people suffering from "Bong-Brain"..... - Bang :-w - Steve go hug a tree. Trees are our friends. They say they make incredibly good objects to hide behind for people suffering from “Bong-Brain”…..

- Bang :-w

]]> By: steve http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73530 steve Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:24:22 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73530 The people who named this the Patroit Act were the one's who politicized it. The Clean Air Act is not about having air clean and the Patriot Act has nothing to do with being a real patriot. Peace The people who named this the Patroit Act were the one’s who politicized it. The Clean Air Act is not about having air clean and the Patriot Act has nothing to do with being a real patriot. Peace

]]> By: The Real Ugly American.com http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73503 The Real Ugly American.com Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:46:17 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73503 <strong>How Serious is the Terrorist Threat to America?</strong> Glenn Greenwald of course completely agrees with this Op Ed in the New York Times from Joseph J. Ellis.. They both conclude that those of us who take the terrorism threat seriously are a bunch of frightened rubes who have been manipulated by the spin ... How Serious is the Terrorist Threat to America?

Glenn Greenwald of course completely agrees with this Op Ed in the New York Times from Joseph J. Ellis.. They both conclude that those of us who take the terrorism threat seriously are a bunch of frightened rubes who have been manipulated by the spin …

]]> By: omapian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73498 omapian Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:11:31 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73498 Most people will pay little attention to details, they only see the MSM conclusions carried in headlines and sound bites. When the MSM reported the real time toppling of the Twin Towers, the apathetic public understood there was a threat from a well organized enemy. As the MSM switched gears, the public now learns there is a greater threat to privacy from their own government. Never mind that there has not been one documented violation of privacy. Journalists gave up on reporting the facts when they became advocates with an agenda. NEOTWY - wheN, wherE, whO, whaT, hoW, and whY, was reformulated to emphasize the conclusions (why) and minimize the details(when, where, who, what, and how). Facts that didn't fit their agenda would be buried, forgeries that fit the agenda would be featured. When forgeries were exposed, they would stand by their conclusions. The US Supreme Court created the foundation for the wall between gathering intelligence and protecting life and property in Mapp Vs. Ohio when it created an exclusionary rule that would prevent the truth from being presented to a jury. Law enforcement had to follow artificial procedures when searching for the truth that would be presented as evidence of a crime. Intelligence agencies were not restricted, as they were not looking to convict an individual of a criminal act. If the intelligence community knew what was in Moussaoui's computer and passed this to the FBI, and the FBI detained 19 foreigners who had boarding passes, box cutters, and directions to the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and Capitol Hill, a judge would be required to exclude the evidence and order the release of the individuals. Thus the wall of separation between intelligence gathering and enforcement. Those who pay attention to facts may draw different conclusions and offer critical debate on serious issues. Those who ignore the facts, can form opinions from the conclusions in the MSM and vote in elections. Politicians can either join in building a consensus based upon known facts or pander to a population to prevent consensus and acquire power. When a political party has no alternatives to offer, it can only work to prevent consensus. Those who have contributed ideas and causes of actions to the debate should not take the obstructions lightly. People who pay no attention to the debate are forming opinions they will carry until election day. Today's actions are designed to produce action in November, and counteraction must be constantly maintained. Most people will pay little attention to details, they only see the MSM conclusions carried in headlines and sound bites. When the MSM reported the real time toppling of the Twin Towers, the apathetic public understood there was a threat from a well organized enemy. As the MSM switched gears, the public now learns there is a greater threat to privacy from their own government. Never mind that there has not been one documented violation of privacy.
Journalists gave up on reporting the facts when they became advocates with an agenda. NEOTWY – wheN, wherE, whO, whaT, hoW, and whY, was reformulated to emphasize the conclusions (why) and minimize the details(when, where, who, what, and how). Facts that didn’t fit their agenda would be buried, forgeries that fit the agenda would be featured. When forgeries were exposed, they would stand by their conclusions.
The US Supreme Court created the foundation for the wall between gathering intelligence and protecting life and property in Mapp Vs. Ohio when it created an exclusionary rule that would prevent the truth from being presented to a jury. Law enforcement had to follow artificial procedures when searching for the truth that would be presented as evidence of a crime. Intelligence agencies were not restricted, as they were not looking to convict an individual of a criminal act. If the intelligence community knew what was in Moussaoui’s computer and passed this to the FBI, and the FBI detained 19 foreigners who had boarding passes, box cutters, and directions to the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and Capitol Hill, a judge would be required to exclude the evidence and order the release of the individuals. Thus the wall of separation between intelligence gathering and enforcement.
Those who pay attention to facts may draw different conclusions and offer critical debate on serious issues. Those who ignore the facts, can form opinions from the conclusions in the MSM and vote in elections. Politicians can either join in building a consensus based upon known facts or pander to a population to prevent consensus and acquire power. When a political party has no alternatives to offer, it can only work to prevent consensus.
Those who have contributed ideas and causes of actions to the debate should not take the obstructions lightly. People who pay no attention to the debate are forming opinions they will carry until election day. Today’s actions are designed to produce action in November, and counteraction must be constantly maintained.

]]> By: ttyler5 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73496 ttyler5 Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:52 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73496 Great article, Ms. Burlingame, and great pick, Sister Toldjah. Great article, Ms. Burlingame, and great pick, Sister Toldjah.

]]> By: Baklava http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-73494 Baklava Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:41:43 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/30/on-politicizing-the-patriot-act-and-the-nsa-scandal/#comment-73494 Thank you Debra Burlingame. Your piece is incredible. Thank you Debra Burlingame. Your piece is incredible.

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