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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74503</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;andrew, you mean unpublished and not gone through peer review. In other words, it was leaked before the flaws were found and the study discredited within the academic community.&quot;

It wasn&#039;t &#039;leaked,&#039; but presented at a conference, according to both the post article and the snippet that the blog post included.

I read another link that said they had not yet submitted this study to peer review, but like their others ones, will do so. I can&#039;t find that link now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;andrew, you mean unpublished and not gone through peer review. In other words, it was leaked before the flaws were found and the study discredited within the academic community.&#8221;</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t &#8216;leaked,&#8217; but presented at a conference, according to both the post article and the snippet that the blog post included.</p>
<p>I read another link that said they had not yet submitted this study to peer review, but like their others ones, will do so. I can&#8217;t find that link now.</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74494</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew, you mean unpublished and not gone through peer review.  In other words, it was leaked before the flaws were found and the study discredited within the academic community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew, you mean unpublished and not gone through peer review.  In other words, it was leaked before the flaws were found and the study discredited within the academic community.</p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74485</link>
		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I looked at that site, and it&#039;s not evident that the study mentioned in the article was performed the same way, however I have noticed things that don&#039;t make me comfortable.

I looked at the survey regarding race and guns or other dangerous weapons. The experiment shows you pictures, and asks you to select one choice or the other, quickly, in response to the photos. One item I found was that, the way the sequence was setup, when the task was to select non-threatening and blacks, the ordering was changed from the previous two of the four test sequences. What this leads to is that, as might be expected, the first time the ordering was changed, there is a tendency to automatically push the same key you used for the previous two tests, even though that was &quot;wrong.&quot;  It was easy to automatically press the wrong key, which in this case leads to the impression that one associates dangerous items with blacks more than with whites. 

This was only one test, but in order to take it you had to identify a political affiliation, which may have impacted the order and precedence of the data. 

Right now, I&#039;m dubious at best. Plus, psychological and sociological testing relies on so many assumptions and is based on such fuzzy, difficult to quantify metrics, it&#039;s almost impossible to take most of it seriously. Within the realm of the &quot;hard&quot; sciences, the sociologists and psychologists are not that well respected.

Be aware that skewing data doesn&#039;t have to be deliberate, the same subconscious bias they are looking for can, and often does, easily influence the researcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I looked at that site, and it&#8217;s not evident that the study mentioned in the article was performed the same way, however I have noticed things that don&#8217;t make me comfortable.</p>
<p>I looked at the survey regarding race and guns or other dangerous weapons. The experiment shows you pictures, and asks you to select one choice or the other, quickly, in response to the photos. One item I found was that, the way the sequence was setup, when the task was to select non-threatening and blacks, the ordering was changed from the previous two of the four test sequences. What this leads to is that, as might be expected, the first time the ordering was changed, there is a tendency to automatically push the same key you used for the previous two tests, even though that was &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  It was easy to automatically press the wrong key, which in this case leads to the impression that one associates dangerous items with blacks more than with whites. </p>
<p>This was only one test, but in order to take it you had to identify a political affiliation, which may have impacted the order and precedence of the data. </p>
<p>Right now, I&#8217;m dubious at best. Plus, psychological and sociological testing relies on so many assumptions and is based on such fuzzy, difficult to quantify metrics, it&#8217;s almost impossible to take most of it seriously. Within the realm of the &#8220;hard&#8221; sciences, the sociologists and psychologists are not that well respected.</p>
<p>Be aware that skewing data doesn&#8217;t have to be deliberate, the same subconscious bias they are looking for can, and often does, easily influence the researcher.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74482</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I skew the dataset so that conservatives are given pictures of aggressive looking minorities, while liberals are given pictures that are calm and smiling. That&#039;s one way to skew data.&quot;

They could just be making everything up.  But you think they skewed the data?

&quot;The study does not give even remotely enough information about their methodology and data sets to allow anyone to tell whether or not there was pollution of the dataset, or misanalysis of the result, which in itself says something. &quot;

You can read about their methodology at http://implicit.harvard.edu  They also there link to their published papers. This study is currently unpublished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I skew the dataset so that conservatives are given pictures of aggressive looking minorities, while liberals are given pictures that are calm and smiling. That&#8217;s one way to skew data.&#8221;</p>
<p>They could just be making everything up.  But you think they skewed the data?</p>
<p>&#8220;The study does not give even remotely enough information about their methodology and data sets to allow anyone to tell whether or not there was pollution of the dataset, or misanalysis of the result, which in itself says something. &#8221;</p>
<p>You can read about their methodology at <a href="http://implicit.harvard.edu" rel="nofollow">http://implicit.harvard.edu</a>  They also there link to their published papers. This study is currently unpublished.</p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, andrew, are you THAT naive?

Let me postulate an example. I want to &quot;prove&quot; that conservatives are biased against minorities. I skew the dataset so that conservatives are given pictures of aggressive looking minorities, while liberals are given pictures that are calm and smiling. That&#039;s one way to skew data. 

The study does not give even remotely enough information about their methodology and data sets to allow anyone to tell whether or not there was pollution of the dataset, or misanalysis of the result, which in itself says something. Quite often, lack of information means that that info will tell you something the study proponents don&#039;t want you to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, andrew, are you THAT naive?</p>
<p>Let me postulate an example. I want to &#8220;prove&#8221; that conservatives are biased against minorities. I skew the dataset so that conservatives are given pictures of aggressive looking minorities, while liberals are given pictures that are calm and smiling. That&#8217;s one way to skew data. </p>
<p>The study does not give even remotely enough information about their methodology and data sets to allow anyone to tell whether or not there was pollution of the dataset, or misanalysis of the result, which in itself says something. Quite often, lack of information means that that info will tell you something the study proponents don&#8217;t want you to know.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74476</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; As they ignore facts that don&#039;t jibe with their theory, they produce a skewed, cooked product, just like the &quot;journalists&quot;.&quot;

What facts did they ignore? And what is their &#039;theory&#039;? As far as I saw, there was no theory, just correlations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; As they ignore facts that don&#8217;t jibe with their theory, they produce a skewed, cooked product, just like the &#8220;journalists&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>What facts did they ignore? And what is their &#8216;theory&#8217;? As far as I saw, there was no theory, just correlations.</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74471</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;scientists&quot; views do matter.  As they ignore facts that don&#039;t jibe with their theory, they produce a skewed, cooked product, just like the &quot;journalists&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;scientists&#8221; views do matter.  As they ignore facts that don&#8217;t jibe with their theory, they produce a skewed, cooked product, just like the &#8220;journalists&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74468</link>
		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, if you think the political views of scientists don&#039;t matter, you&#039;re sadly mistaken. Scientists are no different than anyone else, errors and biases can creep in either deliberately or unconciously. And bias is even more prevalent in the &quot;soft&quot; sciences (which shouldn&#039;t even be called science IMO) like psychology or sociology. The order in which the data is presented to individuals can have an effect, as can the observers interpretation of results (hmmm...did that grimace mean he doesn&#039;t like black people, or that he had a bad bean burrito for lunch?). 

The study in question has not been peer reviewed, nor do I think it would pass an honest peer review. In case you don&#039;t know, peer review is not an ideological litmus test, at least it&#039;s not supposed to be. It&#039;s a review of the basic scientific methodology and an examination of the mathematics/statistical analysis used, to make sure there are no errors, and that the experiment is repeatable.

Scientists lie and distort all the time, sad to say. I was taught that this is tantamount to original sin when I was in school, but sadly more and more scientists are doing it to get funding, make a point, support an idea they believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, if you think the political views of scientists don&#8217;t matter, you&#8217;re sadly mistaken. Scientists are no different than anyone else, errors and biases can creep in either deliberately or unconciously. And bias is even more prevalent in the &#8220;soft&#8221; sciences (which shouldn&#8217;t even be called science IMO) like psychology or sociology. The order in which the data is presented to individuals can have an effect, as can the observers interpretation of results (hmmm&#8230;did that grimace mean he doesn&#8217;t like black people, or that he had a bad bean burrito for lunch?). </p>
<p>The study in question has not been peer reviewed, nor do I think it would pass an honest peer review. In case you don&#8217;t know, peer review is not an ideological litmus test, at least it&#8217;s not supposed to be. It&#8217;s a review of the basic scientific methodology and an examination of the mathematics/statistical analysis used, to make sure there are no errors, and that the experiment is repeatable.</p>
<p>Scientists lie and distort all the time, sad to say. I was taught that this is tantamount to original sin when I was in school, but sadly more and more scientists are doing it to get funding, make a point, support an idea they believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74465</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Case in point, local paper has article of local reacton to the SOTU on top of front page. Only picture is that of the local Democrat Central Committee chairman. No GOP officials pictured. Only democrats are written about on front page. After the jump, then 1 very junior level Republican is written about and his views questioned by the reporter where as all the democrats&#039; views were reported unchallenged and unedited.&quot;

were you talking about the political views of the washington post or the political views of the scientists?

I&#039;m talking about the scientists. Why do their views matter? they just ran correlations on data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Case in point, local paper has article of local reacton to the SOTU on top of front page. Only picture is that of the local Democrat Central Committee chairman. No GOP officials pictured. Only democrats are written about on front page. After the jump, then 1 very junior level Republican is written about and his views questioned by the reporter where as all the democrats&#8217; views were reported unchallenged and unedited.&#8221;</p>
<p>were you talking about the political views of the washington post or the political views of the scientists?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about the scientists. Why do their views matter? they just ran correlations on data.</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74445</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew, if you weren&#039;t such a tool of the left, I&#039;d be asking you what you don&#039;t see.

Case in point, local paper has article of local reacton to the SOTU on top of front page.  Only picture is that of the local Democrat Central Committee chairman.  No GOP officials pictured.  Only democrats are written about on front page.  After the jump, then 1 very junior level Republican is written about and his views questioned by the reporter where as all the democrats&#039; views were reported unchallenged and unedited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew, if you weren&#8217;t such a tool of the left, I&#8217;d be asking you what you don&#8217;t see.</p>
<p>Case in point, local paper has article of local reacton to the SOTU on top of front page.  Only picture is that of the local Democrat Central Committee chairman.  No GOP officials pictured.  Only democrats are written about on front page.  After the jump, then 1 very junior level Republican is written about and his views questioned by the reporter where as all the democrats&#8217; views were reported unchallenged and unedited.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74432</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ndrew, every day.&quot;

Which of their articles have their political views in them? Every one? Can you list a few and show me how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ndrew, every day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which of their articles have their political views in them? Every one? Can you list a few and show me how?</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74400</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew, every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew, every day.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74383</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;andrew, their political views matter when they insert them into every article they write and demonstrate the bias they operate under by omitting things that don&#039;t agree or destroy their politically held positions, just like you.&quot;

Did they do that? They just ran some correlations on data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;andrew, their political views matter when they insert them into every article they write and demonstrate the bias they operate under by omitting things that don&#8217;t agree or destroy their politically held positions, just like you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did they do that? They just ran some correlations on data.</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74378</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew, their political views matter when they insert them into every article they write and demonstrate the bias they operate under by omitting things that don&#039;t agree or destroy their politically held positions, just like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew, their political views matter when they insert them into every article they write and demonstrate the bias they operate under by omitting things that don&#8217;t agree or destroy their politically held positions, just like you.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/01/31/the-hidden-biases-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-74375</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, and about the scientists who conducted this &#039;study&#039;? They have their own political biases which the Washington Post left out (mistakenly I&#039;m sure :&gt; ). Michelle Malkin has the breakdown of their political contributions. Hint: they contributed to Democrats.&quot;

Why do their political views matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, and about the scientists who conducted this &#8217;study&#8217;? They have their own political biases which the Washington Post left out (mistakenly I&#8217;m sure <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_mean.gif' alt='&#58;&#62;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#62;' /> ). Michelle Malkin has the breakdown of their political contributions. Hint: they contributed to Democrats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do their political views matter?</p>
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