I hear you.

And I did pull that number out of my a$$. I was wrong. It’s not 4,000,000 dead children it’s actually 6,000,000 dead children accoring to the United Nations.

http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=//docrep/005/y7352e/y7352e03.htm

Women don’t need counseling for abortion. Maybe they did when it first was legalized nationally but nobody lives in a vacuum anymore. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Hey, I’m all for effective regulation of drug safety.

“Nearly 80% of the women surveyed believed they were denied information or were actively misinformed by their counselors prior to their abortions … nearly 50% complained that they were not told about fetal development.”

It has NOTHING to do with saying any woman is stupid, those are your words and not what we are pointing out. They probably don’t even need counceling in the first place? HELLO?!? These women are under going a medical procedure, they should be informed of any risks and possible side effects that will cause them harm or adverse reactions in the future. Just because they mature faster than men does not mean they know everything in the world, they still need to know the risks and probelms involved.

Even so, 80 percent, yes, 80 percent believe they were denied proper information and/or was misinformed.

You can be as mature and smart as you can be, but you still need facts given to you. Unless ever woman is an expert in OBGYN and abortions. If not, they need to be informed.

As far as safety is concerned professional abortions are no more dangerous than a vasectomy or breast implants. And as for drugs. People die every year from antibiotics, heart medication, anti-depressants. So what!

Ok this is just an assinine statement in itself and has already been refuted earlier.

4 million children die of starvation every year and here we are bantering about the ones that are not even taken their first breath of life.

Do you know the statistics on who many abortions each year?
Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S., Link
Also, 4 million children die a year of starvation? Please give me proof because it seems you pulled that one out of an orifice.

Responsible sexual behavior should be taught in the home not regulated by the government.

About the only thing in which you posted I agree on.

We all know that those who oppose the right to choose have no intention whatsoever to care for or rear the children of unwanted pregnancies. And the state welfare systems are full of children already. Pro-lifers may wave a flag of self-righteousness but in the end they will ultimately turn their back on the children they forced women into having.

There are many options available besides killing a baby because the person was having unprotected sex.

Personal responsibility does not mean getting rid of what you created.

If I am to take care of you when you get to old to care for yourself, does that mean I can just up and “abort” you as a senior citizen? Yes, it may seem like a reach, but how many senior citizen when they get to old have other backs turned to them are put in homes? Yes, I used it as an extreme example to what you are saying to show just how rediculous it sounds.

One should not abort life because they don’t want to be inconvienenced.

Even my own sister is going to China to adopt a baby because she does not want a black or hispanic baby even though they are plentiful here in America, she wants a white baby but is willing to settle for an asian baby. But she would swear up and down that she hasn’t a racist bone in her body. Do you believe her?

What you sister wants in adoption is her choice. If she wants white, blue green, orange, whatever…it is her choice.

Adoption doesn’t mean adopting the first child shoved at you and there is a process.

Also, to revert back to what you said earlier:

But if you are against freedom you’re a traitor. Freedom is the ability to choose or determine your future. Self determination is not a new concept. Our country was founded on it.

If you want to push your religous beliefs on others you are no better than than the Taliban.

Ok, this also is a rediculous notion.
If your against freedom, then first off, your in the wrong damn country to start with.

Second, if your against freedom, and if you are you an idiot, then you most likly a lover of the communists system where you have no freedoms.

What this country was founded on was FREEDOM. The whole basis of why this country was started was based on FREEDOM. The founding fathers fled an oppressive king to be free and establish a society based on those freedom, which they wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights to ensure those Freedoms.

If you are against abortion then you should not get one. But if you are against freedom you’re a traitor. Freedom is the ability to choose or determine your future. Self determination is not a new concept. Our country was founded on it.

If you want to push your religous beliefs on others you are no better than than the Taliban.

A religious zealot in America is no different than a religous zealot in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. In the end all religious zealots are a danger to freedom, equality, justice and democracy.

Frankly as a man I think I tend to stay away from issues that belong to women. Men don’t get abortions so it stands to reason that we should let the ladies deal with this one by themselves. And if it’s as simple as a pill and a visit with a physician then that’s progress.

The counseling argument is based on the idea that women are stupid and incapable of self determination. The fact of the matter is that women mature far faster than men, are more cerebral than men and generally are harder working than men. So it’s probably not necessary to counsel them at all in the first place.

As far as safety is concerned professional abortions are no more dangerous than a vasectomy or breast implants. And as for drugs. People die every year from antibiotics, heart medication, anti-depressants. So what!

4 million children die of starvation every year and here we are bantering about the ones that are not even taken their first breath of life.

Responsible sexual behavior should be taught in the home not regulated by the government.

We all know that those who oppose the right to choose have no intention whatsoever to care for or rear the children of unwanted pregnancies. And the state welfare systems are full of children already. Pro-lifers may wave a flag of self-righteousness but in the end they will ultimately turn their back on the children they forced women into having.

Even my own sister is going to China to adopt a baby because she does not want a black or hispanic baby even though they are plentiful here in America, she wants a white baby but is willing to settle for an asian baby. But she would swear up and down that she hasn’t a racist bone in her body. Do you believe her?

Abortion has grown so far out of the orginal intent of Roe Vs Wade it is ridiculous to believe that this is just about abortion. This is about a mentality that is always wanting the most convienient way out of it’s problems. Abortions at home. 30 years ago do you think that was the intent of Roe, to have No Medical personel overseeing for the safety of the patient?? Do we know any adverse effects this drug has with any other drug?? Can we trust the FDA to give us all the information about this drug?? Can we trust the FDA?? They wanted one of these drugs sold over the counter. Do you see where I am going Andrew?? We need to relook at this topic. We need to look into the FDA. I want to know how an FDA approved drug is killing people, Viaox. THen I want to know why there is no FDA responsiblity for these drugs. People have died from this type of drug Andrew. I want to know why, before we continue. – Lorica

As evidenced by a discussion of abortion on a post about abortion. of course!

The start counseling. Stop telling me about it.

“See Andrew that is the problem. You see the people as a political party. That just isn’t true. The Founding Fathers trusted the people to do what is right, and that is true in this case too. – Lorica”

You trust majorities exerting government force: Faction. I trust individuals.

Usually women remain in hospital after taking the second pills until the abortion is complete. Under the trials they took both sets of pills within local community clinics to test the theory that it is safe to be outside hospital, and therefore at home.

So now we went from a 2 hour procedure at the local abortion clinic, to a 3-4 day ordeal.
The study doesn’t touch base on allegies.

How many of the women tested have been successful in getting pregnant again?

How many that have been successful in getting pregnant again have had children with birth defects?

No. Theres no way to gaurentee it. But starting off with honest conseling, un-skewed consoling, has got to be better. You can’t gaurentee you won’t be run over tomorrow either. But chances are if you don’t play in the middle of a freeway, your prospects for living will be much improved.

Anyway, as usual your arguments make no sense, and I have to believe thats why you cherry pick and never respond to any points that show your weakness on the issues.

- Bang