solitaire asked, “You are only interested in the totals? No. I’m interested in the truth. The Democrats for 5 months straight in 1995 claimed the Republicans were cutting Medicare 270 Billion dollars and it wasn’t the truth. It was going up 7% per year for 7 years and that is more than 49% compounded. It was more than the new recipients and inflation combined. The legacy media and Democrats can try to spin their way out of a lie but the American people deserve better than the name calling and accusations about what Republcians or conservatives “care” about. Insults as to what we “care” or don’t “care” about does not advance the debate and is grossly negligent.

solitaire wrote, “I’m so tired of the “falsehoods” stuff.” Then stop writing falsehoods. Stop talking about what you perceive we care about when you obviously don’t know. It doesn’t advance the debate of ideas.

solitaire wrote, “ That may have been true at one time but Congress reformed the welfare programs.” This one is a good example. Many Democrats opposed making able-bodied people look for and obtain work. Able-bodied people should not dilute the safety net for non-able-bodied people. ANd that was only ONE program. And it’s darn good that Congress reformed it. That reform was opposed to vehmently by a high majority of Democrats and only came about when Republicans finally won. It was common sense reform that most Americans were HAPPY about and Bill Clinton saw that and knew he had to sign it to the dismay of his fellow Democrats.

solitaire wrote, “I think he courted a lot of the people in the middle with fear.” You mean like the Democrats do saying to the elderly that your social security will be taken away and to the black people saying that Republicans are racists? Or do you think that most people honestly didn’t feel that John Kerry’s law enforcement approach is what we needed in the War on Terror. I hardly agree with you that I voted due to fear that Bush gave me. I’m a centrist conservative (not hard right or anything) and I voted FOR Bush and knew that Kerry did not represent what I wanted in America’s War on Terror nor approach to taxes and spending.

YOur last sentence is what you hope. But, Bush isn’t running again and false allegations is not a plan. The reason why there are low numbers for Republicans and Democrats is exactly the reason that Democrats attack but put forth no agenda of their own. It may very well be that the Democrats win but what is the message that they are winning on? Do you know?

Anything but Bush’s policy is not a plan or an agenda or a set of solutions. It’s easy to attack (as you do with negligence) but it’s harder to put forth an agenda of ideas. Anyone can attack those ideas.

The issue is not what you copied and pasted but what you interpreted (reading comprehension). You wrote, “I don’t know what you meant by saying in the same sentence that they have been [no NOT in here] cut” You can tell me that you copy and pasted 100 times. It still doesn’t change the fact that you think social programs have been cut and you think I wrote they’ve been cut when they HAVE NOT.

Solitaire wrote false accusation (consistent with is pattern) by saying, “ You obviously didn’t read MY links, which clearly dilineated the cuts”

I did read your links. I’ve read those links and others like it for over 3 decades. It’s why I was liberal and then when I had the courage to do research and visited the library 3 times a week for a year in 1991 I converted to conservativism. You are messing with someone who is very well read on the topic. There has been NO cuts. Maybe to a little program here and there but the money has always increased EVERY year to the general large Department/Agency. Every year social, health, veterans, education programs in general get LARGE increases. More than inflation. The increases in spending have been more than the increases in defense spending over the last decade. That is fact. Your accusation that I didn’t read is false. You can keep up the pattern or try due diligence and honesty. Did you read the links I gave? What do you think about the substance of the information presented? Don’t discount it just because you think of it as opinion (which by the way the Washington Post articles were). Look at the sources of the NUMBERS that were given. They give you the sources of hte information. Do you think the substance is BUNK? Let’s take a leap down logic lane. If over the last decade the Federal Budget has gone from 1 trillion in spending to 2 trillion in spending where do you attribute all of the increases in spending went? Defense? No. That’s only about 100 Billion dollar increase over the last decade. So. What about the 900 Billion per year in addition spending? Pork projects? No. Where solitaire. Where are the actual cuts and to which Department? No federal Department has had ANY CUTS in any one year. Period. Have the courage. Do the due diligence. Stop with the negligence and false allegations. The Washington Post will write what they write and so will 1,000 other writers on the web. But they cannot and will not tell you from year to year what the total budget dollars for each federal department has been like the Heritage Foundation does.

Solitaire wrote, “I don’t have the time to beat this dead horse.” Then quit with the false allegations at least until you do find time to do the due diligence and stop being negligent.

You did a great job with the unemployment rates. My memory was 18% at 1939 and my memory was close. Thanks for posting for all to see that the Depression was NOT over by 1939 which BTW the U.S. was well into the war by that year but just hadn’t declared it. You can see that WW2 WAS the event that ended the Great Depression. Maybe only you can’t. Or relatives who were brain washed by the legacy media.

Solitaire wrote, ““provide for the general welfare” is thoroughly resented by the GOP these days”

What is supposed to be a safety net has turned into a hammock and the safety net that is needed by those who are elderly and non-able-bodied is diluted by people who are able-bodied. What do you think of that? Do you like that fact? Why would you want to dilute the safety net for those who need it?

Personal responsibility is what conservatives talk about. We aren’t talking about dismantling safety nets. This country has come a long way. The government gets larger every year and you act like it’s not. The government has gone well beyond what it should be doing and you act like the “GOP” is against anything and everything social program wise. The Republicans have been in power since 1994 and have grown ALL social spending and you continue on with the legacy media and act like the GOP is cutting and not caring about the general welfare. What you do is propoganda and spew false allegations. Both parties are to the left of center on this topic. Both are growing government and you lefties are not recognizing reality and not willing to do the due diligence to not be negligent. How do you feel about that pattern?

Solitaire wrote, “The GOP seems intent on eradicating that line. ”

What gives you that indication in your own words? Not a link.. Not someone elses analysis. We’ll go from there.

solitaire wrote, “Not my bag.” No. But what is your bag seems to be believing the worst about the 51% of Americans who are conservative and vote that way. What is your bag is writing false allegations. What is your bag is being negligent/lazy.

It’s ok. It isn’t just you. I work in the state of CA and get emails like this:

* WIC VOICES IN DC. Forty strong, California WIC Ambassadors hit Capitol Hill this week as part of the National WIC Association Leadership Conference. They heard first-hand from USDA officials, Senators, and legislative staff about Bush Administration proposals to underfund WIC and harm other social programs,

The email goes on. But the writer writes falsehoods. If I were to respond and point them out (as WIC’s budget has increased every year and increases again), I’d be fired probably.

This is the kind of stuff that makes it to the Washingto Post articles but never do they tell you the total dollar amount spent from year to year.

Then people all over the Internet (referring to your search on Google comment) write more and more. So it’s all true I guess. The total dollar amount has been going up every year for 3 decades yet what they write is true somehow. It’s magic. It’s voodoo cuts. It’s the GOP making things up with the numbers. It’s Heritage’s opinion. It’s the GOP not caring. It’s the GOP against that line that you referred to. It’s the evil mean corporations and interests for the rich and against the poor just pulling numbers out of hat.

The funny thing is you ar telling ME that I don’t care about people. But I’m telling you I do. I care about people who are non-able-bodied and elderly and want those who are able-bodied to learn how to fish as opposed to just receiving fish. That is love and caring. Dispensing myths and propoganda is not.

No. I am not making that suggestion. But the facts are the facts.

solitaire wrote, “ Now, I don’t know what you meant by saying in the same sentence that they have been cut but they have risen higher than defense spending.

Your mind skipped the NOT in between have and been. You then didn’t insert the NOT into your sentence. Spening hasn’t been cut and in fact has risen more than defense spending.

Your links are proof to why there is a conservative versus liberal fight in this country in the media. There actually hasn’t been cuts though the legacy media talks about it that way. If you look at how much has been spent from year to year it GOES UP. NOT DOWN.

The Washington Post / politicians / journalists call a decrease in the amount of increase a cut but it’s still an increase.

Aint that wild.

You may actually have hope for yourself solitaire if you take this opportunity to learn. I’m serious. I’m not being arrogant.

Here are some links for you:
Research with years worth of actual data

Chart from the above link that shows large increases for everything (no cuts) including Housing, Veterans, Energy, Social programs, Education, etc. Quite the contrast from the Washinton Post articles huh.

While we are at it look at this concerning rich and poor taxes

Also. Notice page 9 of this article

The total dollar amounts are on the last page of that document. Spending has NOT decreased. Period. Decreases in the amount of increase are called cuts.

That’s how the press and Clinton got away with saying Republicans are cutting Medicare by 270 billion for 5 months during 1995. It is factually untrue. A 7% increase each year per year for 7 years is not a cut.

Liberals saying it 100 times doesn’t make it true.

BTW, Can you tell me what the unemplyment rate in the U.S. was in 1939?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58762-2004May26.html

http://www.cbpp.org/2-27-04bud-pr.html

http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/2658/1/2?TopicID=1

Sorry.

Bak, you twisted this around pretty good…
“Solitaire wrote patently false statements by saying, “His party’s spendingg cuts have been primarily to domestic programs that would benefit our own citizens.
Sorry. But domestic spending programs have not only been cut bu thave risen higher than defense spending ovber the last 5 years. Undeniably true and I can only say that your misinformation is black and white false. ”

Now, I don’t know what you meant by saying in the same sentence that they have been cut but they have risen higher than defense spending. That sentence makes no sense to me. But I can defend my statement about budget cuts. It’s true.

and this…

and this…

or this…

LINK

You keep saying it, but I don’t think the Democratic party managed to fool the American people all of those 54 years. It would seem that the Dems managed to please the people enough to stay in power that long. But you can say it if you want. I just don’t believe they didn’t know what they were voting for over those 54 years.
And if the Republicans get more “hard-money” when the campaign finance laws are reformed, so be it. For sure, the impact of money on politics will fade, and that can only benefit us all.

It’s nice to hear that the press worked wonders in pumpin gin misinformation back then also. I know that the Democrats enjoyed a 54 year rule for that reason mostly. So tell me then. Why do you attribute misery ending with the New Deal versus the booming economy due to the war. After War’s end the economy stayed booming and people bought cars had babies, and thus the baby boom. Rewriting history is not an option. I’d like you to explain how you get from point a to b.

I’m glad to see we agree on money in politics. Normal Americans contributing contribut efar more in hard money to Republicans yet there isn’t a working conservative majority yet. Never has been. Not until we can achieve 60 conservatives in the Senate.

With the break on the legacy media monopoly we are inching closer towards that goal. Hopefully we’ll see it in 10 years.

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Sorry. But domestic spending programs have not only been cut bu thave risen higher than defense spending ovber the last 5 years. Undeniably true and I can only say that your misinformation is black and white false.

You continued with false information by saying, “The Dems helped the people in the depression with the New Deal”

Look it up. UNEMPLOYMENT remained between 25% – 20% through the Great Depresssion 1929-1940 and unemployment didn’t end with then RAW Deal but did end with WW2. It is also undeniable. Rewriting history is waht the press has been allowed to do for 54 years. This has ended.

You went on with factual misinformation by saying, “This DeLay guy, he got your wholehearted support, ok, you were loyal, he let you down… ”

I’ve been saying the personality doesn’t matter. No politician has ever had my whole hearted support. Conservativism and the ideas have my support. Do you like being told you are wrong?

The left has had and continues to have the power in this country for over 6 decades. This government has grown every year for over 6 decades and I’m taling about social programs. Your infatuation with thinking the right has power and that we have one party rule is absurd when you see that bigger and bigger government has been advancing.

You said one thing right. You said, “What this country needs is to get the bucks out of the game, somehow. That includes:
1) Removing forcefully without people’s say their money from their paycheck as in CA to the tune of $56 (ala my neighbor) per paycheck and sometimes more to siphon off to the DNC
2) Hollywood people and or rich people in general (like Soros) being able to give soft money to the tune of 1 million dollars a pop.
3) Groups such as the NAACP and AARP and Sierra Club being able to spend money on politics and act like they aren’t partisan and be tax exempt

I’m totally in favor of hard money contributions. Conservatives/ Real everyday Americans who are hard working give more towards conservatives and conservatives out raise hard money (which has a $2,000 limit) by far. Democrats just can’t raise but 1/2 of the hard money amounts that Republicans do because their message is NOT appealing to middle America. NOT at all.

EXCUSE ME? And just who are you to decide where to draw a line, Mr. Steve?

My gay partner and I have adopted ten children of asian and hispanic heritage. Recently my partner just lost his job with a big interior design firm in mid-town manhattan. This is an outrageous comment. I need my extra $10. latte or two in the morning and still be able to make contributions to moveon.org. And what about our summer retreat in the Hamptons? What about my plants? How could could we afford our AuPair?

How dare you…you beast! Your insensitivity makes me so angry I could just snap a twig! You have absolutely NO compassion for urban progressives like us who want to change the world!