Comments on: The case of the WaPo whopper http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:23:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Baklava http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-105054 Baklava Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:57:33 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-105054 Alexander Wolfe LIES by saying, "<em>That, even if everything the Bush supporters here said was true, the only evidence we'd have of WMDs is a couple of decrepit trailers, right?</em>" You can continue to be intellectually lazy or do some research. There have been WMD's found but not in the quantity of stockpiles. It'd be nice if you bashers actually weren't negligent. Being responsible for your word takes more work. Aid and comfort to the enemy is easy. Especially behind the keyboard and in an armchair. Good luck with that.... Alexander Wolfe LIES by saying, “That, even if everything the Bush supporters here said was true, the only evidence we’d have of WMDs is a couple of decrepit trailers, right?”

You can continue to be intellectually lazy or do some research. There have been WMD’s found but not in the quantity of stockpiles. It’d be nice if you bashers actually weren’t negligent. Being responsible for your word takes more work.

Aid and comfort to the enemy is easy. Especially behind the keyboard and in an armchair. Good luck with that….

]]> By: Lorica http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-105044 Lorica Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:13 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-105044 No Alexander. We have found WMDs in Iraq. These trailers we are discussing are about his production capabilities not whether there were WMDs in Iraq or not. They were there. - Lorica As far as your comments about my earlier post. All I was trying to get you to realize is that Military Scientists are not Gomer Pyles. Trust me there are alot of good scientists on both sides. - Lorica No Alexander. We have found WMDs in Iraq. These trailers we are discussing are about his production capabilities not whether there were WMDs in Iraq or not. They were there. – Lorica

As far as your comments about my earlier post. All I was trying to get you to realize is that Military Scientists are not Gomer Pyles. Trust me there are alot of good scientists on both sides. – Lorica

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104927 Big Bang Hunter Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:21:39 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104927 - Wolfe - The idea that there was any "one primary" reason for going into Iraq is the fundemental strawman yopu asshats try to contend. There was no "one primary" reason. It was an aggragate of reasons, as you leftards know full well. But if you don't then I suggest you go back and listen to all your beloved Marxist heros, Dean, LurchKerry, and Hellery. They all layed out a myriad of reasons, and yammered loud and clear about "the imminent threat" Saddam and his regime represented. The left just ping pongs back and forth between their broken record phoney screeds and selective amnesia. - If you think "We aren't Bush" is a winning theme in the total absense of any clear party plan I have some Florida swamp gas for sale - cheap. - The Looney Left; The gift that just keeps on giving... - Bang **== - Wolfe – The idea that there was any “one primary” reason for going into Iraq is the fundemental strawman yopu asshats try to contend. There was no “one primary” reason. It was an aggragate of reasons, as you leftards know full well. But if you don’t then I suggest you go back and listen to all your beloved Marxist heros, Dean, LurchKerry, and Hellery. They all layed out a myriad of reasons, and yammered loud and clear about “the imminent threat” Saddam and his regime represented. The left just ping pongs back and forth between their broken record phoney screeds and selective amnesia.

- If you think “We aren’t Bush” is a winning theme in the total absense of any clear party plan I have some Florida swamp gas for sale – cheap.

- The Looney Left; The gift that just keeps on giving…

- Bang **==

]]> By: Alexander Wolfe http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104806 Alexander Wolfe Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:41:26 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104806 Lorica- I'm sorry, but you assume too much. You are assuming that these unnamed "military experts" are of the same qualifications as this team of scientists and engineers. The article doesn't say as much, and there's no evidence of such. But even if we assume that they are as qualified, should not a report that contradicts them flatly from a team as qualified as this team of civilians, give Bush or anyone else in the administration pause before claiming that WMDs had been found? Lets even assume Bush somehow didn't know about this report when he made his comments. Why then did members of the administration continue to claim for months unequivocally that WMDs had been found, when this report clearly contradicted that? You assume too much good faith on their part I think. And a final comment on the larger picture. We are all aware here that we're arguing about pretty much just a couple of trailers, right? That, even if everything the Bush supporters here said was true, the only evidence we'd have of WMDs is a couple of decrepit trailers, right? Lorica-

I’m sorry, but you assume too much. You are assuming that these unnamed “military experts” are of the same qualifications as this team of scientists and engineers. The article doesn’t say as much, and there’s no evidence of such.

But even if we assume that they are as qualified, should not a report that contradicts them flatly from a team as qualified as this team of civilians, give Bush or anyone else in the administration pause before claiming that WMDs had been found? Lets even assume Bush somehow didn’t know about this report when he made his comments. Why then did members of the administration continue to claim for months unequivocally that WMDs had been found, when this report clearly contradicted that? You assume too much good faith on their part I think.

And a final comment on the larger picture. We are all aware here that we’re arguing about pretty much just a couple of trailers, right? That, even if everything the Bush supporters here said was true, the only evidence we’d have of WMDs is a couple of decrepit trailers, right?

]]> By: Alexander Wolfe http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104803 Alexander Wolfe Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:36:22 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104803 Bang, your comment is just stupid. Are you telling me that this report-a report which comments on the only evidence for the primary justification for the war-was transmitted to the CIA and that the CIA just neglected to tell anybody in the Bush administration about it? Beyond that, what you say addresses none of my comments. By the way, given Bush's recent poll numbers, "we're not Bush" might be all it takes. Bang, your comment is just stupid. Are you telling me that this report-a report which comments on the only evidence for the primary justification for the war-was transmitted to the CIA and that the CIA just neglected to tell anybody in the Bush administration about it?

Beyond that, what you say addresses none of my comments.

By the way, given Bush’s recent poll numbers, “we’re not Bush” might be all it takes.

]]> By: Baklava http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104797 Baklava Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:03:09 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104797 I totally agree with you Severian. Common street smart sense tells you that Iraqi scientists were just probably working to earn money and didn't have access to all of the tools/research/modernity of American scientists. It was about keeping Saddam thinking they were producing. It was about keeping your head from being chopped off. But liberals want to act all smart and say these were mobile weather balloon hydrogen making labs. Geez. And then expend millions of pages of print in the WaPo/NYT/USA T and other newspapers getting the people like I used to be before 1991 believing that conservatives are evil and that Bush lied when Bush was saying the same thing as Clinton, Gore, Albright, Kerry. Liberals are so deranged their only comment to that is that Bush was the one who brought us to war as if Democrats in Congress didn't vote for it. I'm sure I'll never see another time like this in history. It's crazy. Crazy I say. I totally agree with you Severian. Common street smart sense tells you that Iraqi scientists were just probably working to earn money and didn’t have access to all of the tools/research/modernity of American scientists. It was about keeping Saddam thinking they were producing. It was about keeping your head from being chopped off.

But liberals want to act all smart and say these were mobile weather balloon hydrogen making labs. Geez. And then expend millions of pages of print in the WaPo/NYT/USA T and other newspapers getting the people like I used to be before 1991 believing that conservatives are evil and that Bush lied when Bush was saying the same thing as Clinton, Gore, Albright, Kerry. Liberals are so deranged their only comment to that is that Bush was the one who brought us to war as if Democrats in Congress didn’t vote for it.

I’m sure I’ll never see another time like this in history. It’s crazy. Crazy I say.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104793 Severian Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:52:22 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104793 The mobile labs alleged use for making hydrogen for weather balloons has absolutely never made any sense to me. I have never seen such a facility, for making bio-hydrogen, especially in as hydrocarbon rich a country as Iraq is. It's almost like these things were not good or well designed biowar labs, so some "analysts" came up with some other idea of what they were. Here's a hint, they don't have to be a great biowar lab to be a biowar lab, Hussein bought a fair number of bogus and substandard stuff from people trying to rip him off. I believe these were intended as biowar labs, nothing else makes any sense. The mobile labs alleged use for making hydrogen for weather balloons has absolutely never made any sense to me. I have never seen such a facility, for making bio-hydrogen, especially in as hydrocarbon rich a country as Iraq is. It’s almost like these things were not good or well designed biowar labs, so some “analysts” came up with some other idea of what they were. Here’s a hint, they don’t have to be a great biowar lab to be a biowar lab, Hussein bought a fair number of bogus and substandard stuff from people trying to rip him off. I believe these were intended as biowar labs, nothing else makes any sense.

]]> By: Dadmanly http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104783 Dadmanly Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:58:11 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104783 <strong>Old News Again</strong> Today, it’s a Washington Post with a strangely familiar story about conflicting technical findings about two trailers discovered in Iraq and initially thought to be mobile biological weapons laboratories. Surely this isn’t news, at least not new news, ... Old News Again

Today, it’s a Washington Post with a strangely familiar story about conflicting technical findings about two trailers discovered in Iraq and initially thought to be mobile biological weapons laboratories. Surely this isn’t news, at least not new news, …

]]> By: Lorica http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104782 Lorica Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:35:38 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104782 Alexander??? What makes you think that the Military Scientists aren't better than the Civilian??? Army Research Labs is in control of billions of dollars, and has Labs in almost every major university across the country. When it comes to toxic Bio Agents, I would put my money on the military scientists. After all they are the "Dealership" when it comes to this specific product. Good attempt and confusing who the grease monkeys are in this situation. - Lorica Alexander??? What makes you think that the Military Scientists aren’t better than the Civilian??? Army Research Labs is in control of billions of dollars, and has Labs in almost every major university across the country. When it comes to toxic Bio Agents, I would put my money on the military scientists. After all they are the “Dealership” when it comes to this specific product. Good attempt and confusing who the grease monkeys are in this situation. – Lorica

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104780 Big Bang Hunter Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:27:51 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104780 - Its a the CIA dumbass. Get it. Thats where your culture of ineptness and good old boy clubbiness resides. As long as you asshats keep trying to shift the blame you will get neither an improved level of security/Intel, nor a winning plan at the ballot box. - You sound like the guy who insists on looking for the watch he lost under the street light because he can see better there. In other words you're agenda driven, which is why you keep getting stomped in national elections. "We're not Bush" just doesn't get it. Get it? - Bang **== - Its a the CIA dumbass. Get it. Thats where your culture of ineptness and good old boy clubbiness resides. As long as you asshats keep trying to shift the blame you will get neither an improved level of security/Intel, nor a winning plan at the ballot box.

- You sound like the guy who insists on looking for the watch he lost under the street light because he can see better there. In other words you’re agenda driven, which is why you keep getting stomped in national elections. “We’re not Bush” just doesn’t get it. Get it?

- Bang **==

]]> By: Alexander Wolfe http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104704 Alexander Wolfe Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:50 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104704 Sigh...you guys take the cake sometimes. Why do you assume that the team of "military experts" that reviewed the trailers had exactly the same level of expertise as the team of civilian experts specifically put together to go over the trailers. Is the opinion I get from Joe's Auto Shack as worthy as the opinion I get from my dealer's service center? If I got two opinions from two grease monkeys that my car is in great shape, and my dealer says it's about to blow, do the grease monkeys win out 2 to 1? And secondly, even if they had the same experience (which I doubt) why is it okay for the President to go out and unequivocally state that we found evidence of WMDs? Where was the nuance, the caveats, the explanations? Nowhere. What does that reflect? And intent to deceive us into believing that the caveats and nuance weren't there at all. And that's a lie. So...somebody in the Bush administration is full of shit. Either Bush knew and he said it anyway, or he didn't know and someone in his administration deserves to have their ass fired yesterday for not telling him. Which is it ladies and gents? Sigh…you guys take the cake sometimes. Why do you assume that the team of “military experts” that reviewed the trailers had exactly the same level of expertise as the team of civilian experts specifically put together to go over the trailers. Is the opinion I get from Joe’s Auto Shack as worthy as the opinion I get from my dealer’s service center? If I got two opinions from two grease monkeys that my car is in great shape, and my dealer says it’s about to blow, do the grease monkeys win out 2 to 1? And secondly, even if they had the same experience (which I doubt) why is it okay for the President to go out and unequivocally state that we found evidence of WMDs? Where was the nuance, the caveats, the explanations? Nowhere. What does that reflect? And intent to deceive us into believing that the caveats and nuance weren’t there at all. And that’s a lie. So…somebody in the Bush administration is full of shit. Either Bush knew and he said it anyway, or he didn’t know and someone in his administration deserves to have their ass fired yesterday for not telling him. Which is it ladies and gents?

]]> By: The Political Pit Bull http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104634 The Political Pit Bull Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:22:17 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104634 <strong>Much Ado About Some Trailers (Video)</strong> Updated Below - Video added. Scott McClellan responds: "The reporting I saw this morning was simply reckless and it was irresponsible...I don't know how The Washington Post can defend something so irresponsible...This is an embarrassment for the medi... Much Ado About Some Trailers (Video)

Updated Below – Video added. Scott McClellan responds: “The reporting I saw this morning was simply reckless and it was irresponsible…I don’t know how The Washington Post can defend something so irresponsible…This is an embarrassment for the medi…

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104632 Big Bang Hunter Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:29 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104632 - Ah yes, get ready for the usual yammering and breathless outrage against the Pres. on this one. Of course the real problem at the bottom of all these points, ie. Aluminum tubes, Bio-weapons trailors, WMD stockpiles, Nuclear program etc etc etc, is the CIA beuracracy which is badly in need of fixing, not the Exec. The Pres. has to depend on the voracity and accuracy of the Intel he gets from the various agencies for the lions share of reasoning he has to use in making national and international policy decisions. If that info is bad theres not a hell of a lot he can do about it until after the fact. - Never the less we'll get to listen to yet another round of Leftard blame shifing, and false claims about admin conspiracies under every bed. The left has raised perfidity to a new level, and their phoney polito-rags, like WAPO/NYTrash, carry their lies to print every day. - Bang **== - Ah yes, get ready for the usual yammering and breathless outrage against the Pres. on this one. Of course the real problem at the bottom of all these points, ie. Aluminum tubes, Bio-weapons trailors, WMD stockpiles, Nuclear program etc etc etc, is the CIA beuracracy which is badly in need of fixing, not the Exec. The Pres. has to depend on the voracity and accuracy of the Intel he gets from the various agencies for the lions share of reasoning he has to use in making national and international policy decisions. If that info is bad theres not a hell of a lot he can do about it until after the fact.

- Never the less we’ll get to listen to yet another round of Leftard blame shifing, and false claims about admin conspiracies under every bed. The left has raised perfidity to a new level, and their phoney polito-rags, like WAPO/NYTrash, carry their lies to print every day.

- Bang **==

]]> By: protein wisdom http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104623 protein wisdom Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:05 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104623 <strong>The WaPo and Biolabs</strong> In the comments to my post yesterday about the ideological spin used by an ideologically-driven press to forge a particular narrative about a war with which they disagree, commenter rls pointed out this Washington Post story on a Pentagon team&apos... The WaPo and Biolabs

In the comments to my post yesterday about the ideological spin used by an ideologically-driven press to forge a particular narrative about a war with which they disagree, commenter rls pointed out this Washington Post story on a Pentagon team&apos…

]]> By: Baklava http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-104622 Baklava Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:07:49 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/04/12/the-case-of-the-wapo-whopper/#comment-104622 Point being that there was a difference of opinon between the experts. Again. Just like the constitutional question whether or not the president can surveille the enemy (Arlen Specter) Point being that there was a difference of opinon between the experts. Again. Just like the constitutional question whether or not the president can surveille the enemy (Arlen Specter)

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