War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill

You draw your strength from the fact that you are protected from tyranny, that you have rights and protections that have been fought for, and are enforced through strength of arms.

You can sit there and say being a pacifist is strength, but your strength comes on the backs of real men and women you hold the front line so you can sit on your ass and talk your gibberish.

Without a military, we would not have a Country that we do now. Without a military, you would not have the freedoms you have now.

If you think a piece of paper (US Constitution and Bill of Rights) are what gives you freedoms and the life you live, you are wrong. These important documents are nothing more than paper with words, without a military to protect and keep it.

I meant the word HONOR as I have referred to it many times before to you steve(fn), not the phrase you copied from someone elses mind.

First they did not just pull them out, they destroyed them. Destruction of property, which is a crime.

You don’t contend that the pullers have to get permission from the drivers, do you?

Yes, this was a lawful peaceful demonstration of Free Speech sanctioned by the University. Pulling them out and destroying them was the act of childish people who do not want to stand up and debate.

You cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater so no speech is “free” except if is prudent and dosen’t cause violence,don’t you agree?

Tell me how those crosses caused the violence? How can a bunch of crosses in the ground incite violence? Spell it out for me. If this is all that it takes to incite violence from someone God help our society, we have become truly a bunch of children. Children act like that.

Let’s take your thoughts a step further. You park your car on a public street and you have a political bumper sticker on it that I disagree with and it makes me angry, so angry that I believe that my outrage trumps your free speech. Do I have the right to tear that sticker off your car and destroy it. Before you say that the car is your private property, remember these crosses had to be bought and paid for by someone and so they were private property also, and you have been arguing that it was ok for this woman to rip these up, and destroy them becuase she has free speech rights and they were on public property.

Also, a professor, a supposedly learned woman can think of no better way to get her point across than to destroy something. You know I am just a dumb old engineer turned physics teacher and I bet I could come up with a better way to express myself. Heck I disagree with abortion and I bet I could come up with a pro abortion display that could have sat next to the crosses as a counter display. This woman could think of nothing better than violence as her first, not her last option? What does this say about her?

You know there are times when violence is needed. If I see someone being beaten up I am not going to try to reason with the attacker, I am going to STOP them. On the other hand my first thought upon seeing a political display I disagree with is not to use violence. That would make me very sad human being indeed.

This is NOT about whether they were allowed to do something. This is about a University approved sdisplay, in which I am sure they had approved, time and place for where they could set up and for a certain amount of time. This again was approved by the University.

This has aboslutely NOTHING to do with whether they were allowed to put the display up. Quit trying to obscure the facts.

The facts are, that these students approached the university, got approval, got time and place of set up, set up the crosses and a simple sign that said “Cemetery of the Innocent”.

Said teacher got infuriated by the display, and WITHOUT approval of the University, acting on her own. she incited to violence her students because of her own rage. These students and possibly herself, went out and DESTROYED PRIVATE PROPERTY. Those crosses and sign was owned by the other group who was there on permission of the University and this professor acted just like a vigalante would and took matters into her own hands, breaking the Law and encouraging her students to break the law and break university set policy.

Make sure you get your facts straight here steve and quit trying to downplay such actions. If this was reversed and it was a republican based person that did this, democrats and the ACLU and a host of others would be calling for jail time, for the perso nto lose their job, to instigate new laws protecting the sign and display, ect. There would be lawsuits, ect.

So don’t pass it off as if this is nothing, because if it happened to the Left, that side would be screaming bloody murder.

Using the same logic anyone has the right to excercise their “free speech” by pulling the crosses out of the ground, correct?

Wrong. Read above.
Not only did they ‘pull the crosses up’ they stole the property, they vandalized and destroyed the property of another group who was exercising their freedom of speech, who had approval of the university for setup.

What they did was not freedom of speech, it was unlawful both in the eyes of the local law enforcement and in the eyes of the university policy.

You don’t contend that the pullers have to get permission from the drivers, do you?

I contend you do not have permission to steal or destroy private property. That is not freedom of speech.

You cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater so no speech is “free” except if is prudent and dosen’t cause violence,don’t you agree?

Are you contending white crosses and a simple sign that says ‘Cemetery of the Innocent’ is the same as yelling fire in a crowded theatre?

If so I place you in the same idiots category as this professor since she equates this display to Nazi Displays in Fountain Square.

So, her alleged “outrage” trumps the free speech of those that placed the crosses in the first place? So, we are all equal but some are more equal than others?

Oh, and steve? Infringing someone else’s free speech is not, in itself, free speech. Well, maybe in that Leftist utopia where you find yourself, I suppose. peas and carrots for all pathological liars. My treat.