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- OTH seeing the ACLU having to apply for federal support is like watching Humas expect the US to buy thier insurgents bomb belts. The need for fund-raising might be a good sign that their influence is finally waning.

- I’ve watched the ACLU, working in concert with aggressive Atheists, sue to remove a simple cross from the grave matker on Mt.Soledad war memorial, claiming its “offensive” to non-Christians. The fight has been going on for 17 years, with the ACLU utilizing some State laws concerning religious symbols on public land that were never intended for the purpose they’re being put to by the Secularists.

- The most recent ruling by a 9th circuit Liberal judge is to order the city to remove the cross withing 90 days, or pay a daily fine of $5,000. But the fight is far from over. Local politicians, such as San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders, and California Representative Duncun Hunter, have set out plans to ask President Bush to declare the Property condemned under Federal rules, and name it as a Mational park. Hunter is on his way to Washington to meet with the Pres. on several issues, and says this is of the highest priority. Sanders has written letters to Bush, asking that he intervien directly.

- James McElroy, the ACLU lawyer for Atheist Philip Paulsen, the individual that initiated the original suit, said the idea of moving it from the State courts into the federal juridiction is “[the] silliest thing I’ve ever heard”, but none the less the SCOTUS originally refused to hear this case, saying it was a State issue, which would change dramatically if defenders get the Federal actions they are hoping for. In response, McElroy said he would seek to ask the judge to raise the daily penalty to $10,000 or $15,000. Nice.

- Personally I consider this entire mess to be a use of the courts to defame people that have given their lives so these Athist bigots can have free speech, and in that way a religious hate crime. At some point this idea of minority rule the activist courts have envagled by mis-application of poorly written laws, needs to end. You do not have a right to be “not offended”. Offensiveness is in the eye and mind of the beholder in this case.

- I’m offended that they hate religion so much, as is the vast majority of local citizens. Wheres our rights being upheld?

- this is not about a single cross on Mt. Soledad. Its about an incidious campaign of the secular left to iradicate all evidence of religious respect this country was founded on, and impose the will of a tiny minority on the Majority of Americans. Bigotry by activist judicial writ.

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Somehow I think the economy would be played up significantly, the media would be out with pom-poms for the war, jobs creations would be lauded, stock market at record highs would be heaped praise on the Democrats by the media….

But that is only if it was a Democrat as President…..

As for Civil Liberties, they were restored after the Civil War, after the Great War, after the Second World War, and so on. Everyone – not just Leftists – need to learn actual History, not just the good or bad that are pushed by the partisans. If you slam Jefferson for being not only a visionary, but for being also a man of his times and of his place, and as flawed as any man is, then you are being dishonest, as well as foolish. Learn every side of the story, then make a judgement.

Worry about the data mining if you wish. That’s prudent. But remember that it’s not anything new, or unique, and it isn’t only the politicos you loathe that do it. Roosevelt & Kennedy taped private conversations in the White House. Not just Nixon.

Learn all of it. Or you are an empty megaphone, blatting nonsense.

Which of your civil liberties, exactly, have been rescinded?

Update (5/12/2006, 11:26 AM): This story has been picked up by Hammer of Truth and Homeland Stupidity. Homeland Stupidity also has a second article explaining the details of what is in the records and who can see them. The author is a former MCI employ…

So why do I say this is aimed at hurting the Bush administration? One reason, General Michael Hayden.

QWest might be obligated by law to keep this data private until mandated by another law to give it up.

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…The question is, do you supporters of domestic data mining see a limit? Or is it “anything goes” when it comes to this president, and his “war on terror?”