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	<title>Comments on: Ruling expected today in California exit exam case</title>
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	<description>Don&#039;t dis or dismiss this miss!</description>
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		<title>By: L Davis</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/13/ruling-expected-today-in-california-exit-exam-case/comment-page-1/#comment-663784</link>
		<dc:creator>L Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One has to wonder how on earth this girl managed to earn such a high GPA when she has such difficulty with English.  In what languages were her classes taughtif not in English?  Did she not have to pass tests in her those classes in which she did so well?  (Were those classes all Physical Education and art classes -- or were the tests given in her native language?)
  Just how much opportunity is the state obligated to give immigrants or the poor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has to wonder how on earth this girl managed to earn such a high GPA when she has such difficulty with English.  In what languages were her classes taughtif not in English?  Did she not have to pass tests in her those classes in which she did so well?  (Were those classes all Physical Education and art classes &#8212; or were the tests given in her native language?)<br />
  Just how much opportunity is the state obligated to give immigrants or the poor?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 16:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another story I read is that one of the student was happy now - she can go to the prom without knowing that she would not get a diploma.

The fact that that our future nurse was on the honor roll means that she is intellegent.  I believe the reason she cannot pass the english is that she has been taught that english literacy is not needed for sucess.  Where did she learn this - our schools (I live in California).

The judge is strangely right - Our schools are unequal because while the students have every opportunity to learn english, we have been teaching students that it is not important.  This parallels the larger immigration problem, where we are telling (via our inaction) that it is ok to come to this country without learning english and without assimilating.

Something about this doesn&#039;t make sense.  Someone with a 3.64 GPA takes the test as a sophomore, fails, takes the test twice, fails twice, takes the test three times as a senior, and fails three times?

What makes sense to me is that either she is very stubborn about her belief that people should not need to learn english to get a diploma, or this is a legal setup from the start, and the plan was to get a smart and attractive subject to build a lawsuit around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another story I read is that one of the student was happy now &#8211; she can go to the prom without knowing that she would not get a diploma.</p>
<p>The fact that that our future nurse was on the honor roll means that she is intellegent.  I believe the reason she cannot pass the english is that she has been taught that english literacy is not needed for sucess.  Where did she learn this &#8211; our schools (I live in California).</p>
<p>The judge is strangely right &#8211; Our schools are unequal because while the students have every opportunity to learn english, we have been teaching students that it is not important.  This parallels the larger immigration problem, where we are telling (via our inaction) that it is ok to come to this country without learning english and without assimilating.</p>
<p>Something about this doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Someone with a 3.64 GPA takes the test as a sophomore, fails, takes the test twice, fails twice, takes the test three times as a senior, and fails three times?</p>
<p>What makes sense to me is that either she is very stubborn about her belief that people should not need to learn english to get a diploma, or this is a legal setup from the start, and the plan was to get a smart and attractive subject to build a lawsuit around.</p>
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		<title>By: Center for Sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Center for Sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 13:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;California Mandates Adding Gays in School Textbook&lt;/strong&gt;

.. But to mandate including in school textbooks specific incidences of one sexual orientated group contributions does not seem right.</description>
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<p>.. But to mandate including in school textbooks specific incidences of one sexual orientated group contributions does not seem right.</p>
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		<title>By: The Unalienable Right &#187; CA Judge: unfair to expect 12th grade students to know 8th grade math</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Unalienable Right &#187; CA Judge: unfair to expect 12th grade students to know 8th grade math</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 17:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blogger Sister Toldjah has a good writeup on the ruling by a California judge overturning the mandate that all high school students pass a test of basic math and English proficiency before receiving a high school diploma. The test requires &#8220;that high school graduates score at least 60 percent on a test of eighth-grade math and 10th-grade English.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blogger Sister Toldjah has a good writeup on the ruling by a California judge overturning the mandate that all high school students pass a test of basic math and English proficiency before receiving a high school diploma. The test requires &#8220;that high school graduates score at least 60 percent on a test of eighth-grade math and 10th-grade English.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 07:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have to have certifications for many other jobs, like for Microsoft, Cisco, Computer Rapir, ect, why not for teaching?

Shouldn&#039;t you show that you have a basic understanding of what you are teaching fresh young minds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have to have certifications for many other jobs, like for Microsoft, Cisco, Computer Rapir, ect, why not for teaching?</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t you show that you have a basic understanding of what you are teaching fresh young minds?</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 06:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Looks like the schools had six or seven years to get these kids educated to basic levels a bit below the norm for twelfth grade. And failed. I wonder how many teachers were dismissed/hired during those years? How many administrators? 
 
About a year ago one Massachusetts community breathed a sigh of relief when a school administrator passed the High School Equivalency test of English --- on his fourth try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Looks like the schools had six or seven years to get these kids educated to basic levels a bit below the norm for twelfth grade. And failed. I wonder how many teachers were dismissed/hired during those years? How many administrators? </p>
<p>About a year ago one Massachusetts community breathed a sigh of relief when a school administrator passed the High School Equivalency test of English &#8212; on his fourth try.</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 17:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I feel very happy&quot; she said later in Spanish. &quot;Now I&#039;ll be able to have my diploma and fulfill my desire to become a nurse.&quot; 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Scary!

Remind me not to get health care where she is working.

Is she going to sue to get the degree in college too when she can&#039;t even pass basic math or english / writing skills?

If you cannot pass a simple math or english test of the basic level, you have no reason to be graduating. Graduation means you have learned what they have taught you, and have become profecient enough with the skills to graduate. If you cannot pass the required tests, you should not be graduating, plain and simple.

File this under another reason to home school, better education (if you actually do it), and more one-on-one time with your child where he/she doesn&#039;t have to compete with a classroom full of kids, stress of running between classes, bullies, teasing, and sexual advances by their teachers or other students.

It is all about what you want in the education of your child, and more and more I am seeing the public schools becoming a bastion for the leftists screed, the gay agenda (CA just had a vote ot put gay and lesbian documentation and achievements in school textbooks). The more I see and hear about this, the more I see the public school systems, and more of the colleges and universities becoming brainwashing tools for the left.

Make sense, if you want people on your side, to vote for you, then you brainwash their children.

Not a big fan of Michael Savage, but he essentially hit it on he head when he said he used to be a bleeding heart liberal when he was younger, (teens and 20&#039;s) but then he grew up when he got to around 30 he became a staunch conservative.

When you look at liberals, the majority of the screeching angry types, what age bracket do you normally see them in?

The majority of conservative, what ages do you normally see them in?

It is interesting when you start doing comparisons.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I feel very happy&#8221; she said later in Spanish. &#8220;Now I&#8217;ll be able to have my diploma and fulfill my desire to become a nurse.&#8221; </p>
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<p>Scary!</p>
<p>Remind me not to get health care where she is working.</p>
<p>Is she going to sue to get the degree in college too when she can&#8217;t even pass basic math or english / writing skills?</p>
<p>If you cannot pass a simple math or english test of the basic level, you have no reason to be graduating. Graduation means you have learned what they have taught you, and have become profecient enough with the skills to graduate. If you cannot pass the required tests, you should not be graduating, plain and simple.</p>
<p>File this under another reason to home school, better education (if you actually do it), and more one-on-one time with your child where he/she doesn&#8217;t have to compete with a classroom full of kids, stress of running between classes, bullies, teasing, and sexual advances by their teachers or other students.</p>
<p>It is all about what you want in the education of your child, and more and more I am seeing the public schools becoming a bastion for the leftists screed, the gay agenda (CA just had a vote ot put gay and lesbian documentation and achievements in school textbooks). The more I see and hear about this, the more I see the public school systems, and more of the colleges and universities becoming brainwashing tools for the left.</p>
<p>Make sense, if you want people on your side, to vote for you, then you brainwash their children.</p>
<p>Not a big fan of Michael Savage, but he essentially hit it on he head when he said he used to be a bleeding heart liberal when he was younger, (teens and 20&#8217;s) but then he grew up when he got to around 30 he became a staunch conservative.</p>
<p>When you look at liberals, the majority of the screeching angry types, what age bracket do you normally see them in?</p>
<p>The majority of conservative, what ages do you normally see them in?</p>
<p>It is interesting when you start doing comparisons&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 16:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why even bother testing at all?  As long as they try hard that should be enough.  We can&#039;t have anyone with hurt feelings..

/sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why even bother testing at all?  As long as they try hard that should be enough.  We can&#8217;t have anyone with hurt feelings..</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 15:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karl opined: &quot;&lt;em&gt;The trouble is thatt the test was designed not by administrators and educators but by business leaders and other community people, so it is safe to assume it doesnt reflect realistic educational goals.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Ah, that means it evaluates them on the basic, minimal skills necessary to hold a bottom rung job, and they can&#039;t even pass that...what does that say for their ability to survive in the real world? Not to worry, there&#039;s always welfare and food stamps paid for with our tax dollars. 

Wouldn&#039;t the average, non-ideologically blinded person think that the skills necessary to get and hold a job are &quot;realistic educational goals?&quot;

I suspect that Karl, like many others, sees the purpose of the schools, you know, the &quot;realistic educational goals,&quot; to be to indoctrinate them to the liberal/socialist mindset, and leave them lacking in job skills, so that they will forever be dependent on the state and are willing lemmings that automatically vote Democrat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karl opined: &#8220;<em>The trouble is thatt the test was designed not by administrators and educators but by business leaders and other community people, so it is safe to assume it doesnt reflect realistic educational goals.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, that means it evaluates them on the basic, minimal skills necessary to hold a bottom rung job, and they can&#8217;t even pass that&#8230;what does that say for their ability to survive in the real world? Not to worry, there&#8217;s always welfare and food stamps paid for with our tax dollars. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the average, non-ideologically blinded person think that the skills necessary to get and hold a job are &#8220;realistic educational goals?&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that Karl, like many others, sees the purpose of the schools, you know, the &#8220;realistic educational goals,&#8221; to be to indoctrinate them to the liberal/socialist mindset, and leave them lacking in job skills, so that they will forever be dependent on the state and are willing lemmings that automatically vote Democrat</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;whether schools exist to make children learn or to make children feel good&quot;...neither one. They exist to provide employment for a set of people who are unwilling to deal with challenge, change, and responsibility.

Yeah, I know there are many teachers, and possibly even a few administrators, who don&#039;t fit this description, but they&#039;re not the ones setting the tone of the institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;whether schools exist to make children learn or to make children feel good&#8221;&#8230;neither one. They exist to provide employment for a set of people who are unwilling to deal with challenge, change, and responsibility.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know there are many teachers, and possibly even a few administrators, who don&#8217;t fit this description, but they&#8217;re not the ones setting the tone of the institution.</p>
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		<title>By: blogagog</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogagog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 19:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think thet testing for a hi school deploma is rediculus!  All of us with the deploma ar smart, plane and simple.  No tests ar requird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think thet testing for a hi school deploma is rediculus!  All of us with the deploma ar smart, plane and simple.  No tests ar requird.</p>
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		<title>By: benning</title>
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		<dc:creator>benning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the law says, &lt;em&gt;&quot;Pass the Exit Test or you do not graduate&lt;/em&gt;&quot;, then no judge should be allowed to nullify the law, unless some Constitution - either State or Federal - gives him that power. 

Problems with the law? Take it to the Supremes. File suit at the Supreme Court level! Any judge who decides to negate a law, for any reason, when he does not have the Constitutional power to do so, should be &lt;strong&gt;immediately impeached&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;em&gt;No&lt;/em&gt; exceptions!

Enough of this type of Judicial Tyranny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the law says, <em>&#8220;Pass the Exit Test or you do not graduate</em>&#8220;, then no judge should be allowed to nullify the law, unless some Constitution &#8211; either State or Federal &#8211; gives him that power. </p>
<p>Problems with the law? Take it to the Supremes. File suit at the Supreme Court level! Any judge who decides to negate a law, for any reason, when he does not have the Constitutional power to do so, should be <strong>immediately impeached</strong>. <em>No</em> exceptions!</p>
<p>Enough of this type of Judicial Tyranny!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darn my spelling.

That should read &quot;It depends on which side of the mouth they are speaking out of....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darn my spelling.</p>
<p>That should read &#8220;It depends on which side of the mouth they are speaking out of&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we have the WASL test here.  It is takenin the 10th grade and is a requirement for graduation.

The trouble is thatt the test was designed not by administrators and educators but by business leaders and other community people, so it is safe to assume it doesnt reflect realistic educational goals.

That said, rather then fix it and show some reasonable stadard of learning, the democrats here suggested &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257809_wasl01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eliminating the WASL&lt;/a&gt; as well as &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257785_highered01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paying for 2 years of college &lt;/a&gt;for everyone out of tax payer money.

The governor here in one breath suggested funding a 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/12/15/100loc_a1gregoire001.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;program to help kids &lt;/a&gt;pass it and then &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsd.edu/wasls/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;signed into law a bill&lt;/a&gt; that effectively just gutted it by proposing alternatives to the WASL.

So the bottom line in Washington is &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;HUH?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;  I depends onwhichmout the speak out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we have the WASL test here.  It is takenin the 10th grade and is a requirement for graduation.</p>
<p>The trouble is thatt the test was designed not by administrators and educators but by business leaders and other community people, so it is safe to assume it doesnt reflect realistic educational goals.</p>
<p>That said, rather then fix it and show some reasonable stadard of learning, the democrats here suggested <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257809_wasl01.html" rel="nofollow">eliminating the WASL</a> as well as <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257785_highered01.html" rel="nofollow">paying for 2 years of college </a>for everyone out of tax payer money.</p>
<p>The governor here in one breath suggested funding a<br />
<a href="http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/12/15/100loc_a1gregoire001.cfm" rel="nofollow">program to help kids </a>pass it and then <a href="http://www.rsd.edu/wasls/" rel="nofollow">signed into law a bill</a> that effectively just gutted it by proposing alternatives to the WASL.</p>
<p>So the bottom line in Washington is <em><strong>HUH?</strong></em>  I depends onwhichmout the speak out of.</p>
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		<title>By: camojack</title>
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		<dc:creator>camojack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No Child Left Behind&quot;, eh what? :-?</description>
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