Ehem, that would be a good reason for the Fair Tax!

- I will be very very surprised if this good idea of a tamper proof ID card ever actually gets implemented. Why?. Because like everything else connected with the immigration issue, it would show the public that the 11 million number is a joke. If the public knew how many illegals there were in the country, there would be an unbelievable backlash, and the politico’s know it.

- Sistah. I don’t think “is there a middle ground?” is the right question.

- The question I think should be:

“Why do we have to tie border security to all the other immigration issues?”

- We could and should have border security period!, quite aside from any other issues. To downplay it like the Bush admin has, is just crazy, and a political ploy.

- Tell me where you think that is wrong.

- Bang

Once again…why not tax them? If Jose’ or Pierre want to sell their products in the US, they pay a tariff. They are not entitled to the same access to our infrastructure that we as citizens are. Right?

So why is it just assumed that those who come here (legally or illegally) to sell their product (labor) should not be expected to do the same. Higher taxes offset the disporportionate burden on social entitlements, will provide better funding for border control and ultimately dissuade many from coming in the first place.

Think about it!

Why?

Congress writes the laws that define the terms. The Senate bill that would let in 100,000,000 to 200,000,000 immigrants over 20 years would make them “legal.”

Shouldn’t we debate whether or not that is what we want? Too many “legal” immigrants can be be worst for Americans than the current number of illegal aliens. Personally, I see my employer lowering my pay based on legal immigrants. Nice people, but competitors from a foreign country all the same, lowering my paycheck.

The debate needs to cover the total immigration allowance, not just the past, present, or future illegality.

As to my earlier posting attempting to read Bush’s mind, I think that his past positions and statements as well as the logical effects of his positions in the speech allows one to form an opinion. He is a man of his convictions. But you’re right – I’ve no proof.

In any case, it is unlikely that Bush would veto any bill that Congress passes.

Why can’t we break this into parts and deal with it that way?

Protecting our border, means more than just from illegal aliens crossing into this country. It should scare the hell out of Americans that people can come into this country so easily.

Not only do we have massive amounts of drugs that come in by this means, but if this continues, we will, and i say will, not if, have a terrorsits cell or cells come into this country (if they are not here already) and we will have an attack that is worse than 9/11.

I don’t know about you, but this goes beyond illegal aliens coming into this country, and has very much to do with increased security of our nation.

We have all sorts of security for airports and ports, but when it comes to our borders we have people coming in by the millions.

Does this not bother anyone else that this country is not safe? After all the rhetoric and protecting America speeches, we still have people who come in through our borders illegally.

Let’s change the scenario a litle bit, lets change Mexicans coming into America illegally to say, Iranians or Pakistanis coming in by this amount, crossing our borders and getting into the US and disappearing….

Would this not bother anyone else?

Protecting our borders means just that, it shouldn’t matter what nationality they are. They are still crossing into our borders illegally.

No I am not pandering to fear, but we think just because they are Mexicans that we should not worry about it, that if we make it hard on them to break our laws by coming in illegally, that we are heartless and uncaring. That all they want to do is work.

Granted some may want to just work, but then we have those that are a drain on our services, who turn to crime, increase in gang activity, ect.

Quit trying to play the feel-good politics with illegal activity.

Should we dismiss illegal activity of say someone using cocaine to relieve pain of cancer?

How about someone who is homeless who breaks into your home and steals from you? Should we dismiss that because they are not as well off as you?

We are a nation of laws, and it is time we decide to either enforce those laws or quit making them.

Otherwise we become a nation of laughable laws that are never enforced, or enforced when felt like it.

/rant off

Yes, I’m aware of the issues for fleeing their self-imploding graft and greed driven country and coming to this despised country.

We can fastrack legal applicants faster than we can deal with illegal aliens. We can’t reward illegal behavior period, no matter how convenient it seems for the political handwringers, incapable of making choices where fair isn’t an option. Fair was and has been slaughtered, everytime we intentionaly look the other way.

Too bad the American taxpayers can’t submit the same letter to our self serving politicians, that the Bank of America sent to the Boy Scouts of America. Naturally, there’s a difference between donations given freely and donations at the pointy end of a gun, but the parallel logic for withholding payment until certain performance requirements are met, is an interesting argument to say the least.

Wouldn’t it be great if job performance was the main reason a politition or for that matter…….

I feel as strongly as the next person about illegal immigration and have for years. But I also feel we have a HISTORIC opportunity to get things done positively that may not be done because people want the whole ball of wax.

I’ll be really happy to see the few things done that the Congress and President are talking about (LET ME REMIND everyone that it wouldn’t be done with the Democrats in control of Congress) because it’s all about perspective.

I would really hope they take a peek at their polling data because this is a VERY hot issue with many people, and they aren’t going to drop it for simple platitudes. We want real reform on immigration and border security.

Bang you hit the nail on the head.

It is more than just immigration, and we have already caught terrorists coming across the Mexican border, it just never got much press. I wonder why…

Because if it got air time, then people would be even more adamant about protecting our borders if they knew just who has been caught crossing them.

As for illegal aliens, they try and play on our emotions in dealing with this issue, they have a bad life, if we do this they will take more difficult route and die in the desert or drown..ect. When will people learn we cannot be responsible for other peoples behaviour. If there are people who for their own reasons decide to take a difficult route or pay someone to squeeze them into a dashboard or other hidden way, to enter into the US illegally – how does that become our problem?

If you decide to hit yourself in the head with a hammer, should I blame myself for your actions?

We have a legal means of entering the US with immigration. The American people do not have a problem with LEGAL immigration and we welcome that, what we do have a problem with is illegally entering and taking that which does not belong to you, (services, ect) and expect to be taken care of (look at data on how many are on welfare compared to working).

You also have to look at unchecked illegal aliens entering the US illegally will also bring in Diseases that will not be caught because if they would have come in the legal way, they ould have had medical screening which may catch and be able to treat certain diseases that would be detrimental to our population. All it takes is one person coming across with a disease that could infect many and start an epidemic.

We have a legal means of entering into the US, it should be followed. Those who wish to bypass that process and come into the US illegally should be caught and deported immediately, if they come back illegally again they should be jailed, say with our friend Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County and left to eat bologna sandwiches and live in tents in 110 – 120 degree temps.

Also I think they are wrong when they say that this isue cannot be broken into parts. We should be able to protect our borders and stem the flow or stop the flow of illegal aliens coming in before we decide what to actually do with those that are here already. I do not see why this has to be an issue.

Border protection means protecting our borders, increase the bordder patrol funding, hell take it out of your War on Terror funds since it goes to protection of Americans. Increase Border Patrol agents, increase the immigration people working on legal immigration so there is not such a backlog, ect.

There is much we can do, but it all depends on whether we as a nation have the spine to stand up and do it. If not, well, we get what we deserve then.

This is too important to just ‘join the rank and file’, much like it was too important to let Miers become a justice in the SCOTUS. Secure the border, with no strings tied to it. We can discuss amnesty at some later date. Secure the friggin’ border first!

The Senate deal is a sell-out. We will build a little part of the fence, if we agree to let 11 million criminals become Americans. No.

No. No. No. No. If you want to be a citizen of the USA, go home, and ask us. We may oblige you. We may not. It’s our choice, not yours. The entitlement generation seems to have grown to beyond our borders. Foreigners now feel entitled to become Americans. That someone is demanding, as a right(!) to live in my country is wholly unacceptable to me. Pardon my french, but WTF!

I’m begging all Republicans to vote for the non-incumbent in the primary. This is not a complicated issue. Shut the freakin’ border. End of story. If your Senator is not interested in doing that, replace him. With a better Republican hopefully, but replace him no matter what. Heck mayby the new guy will be for drilling in ANWR. Kill two birds with one stone.

Rant over.

Passing these two amendments has created momentum for conservatives and is moving the comprehensive immigration bill toward the middle. If the final bill falls somewhere between the President’s and Kyl-Cornyn proposals, then it is a reasonable compro…

- Almost 1 trillion spent.
- 2400? military dead.
- 15,000+ wounded.
- Two countries reformed in a fashion

- All of it, for all the good and right reasons.

- Now we’re told that defense of our own borders is somehow such a complex issue, and must be joined at the hip with immigration issues that could rage on for years, and that for all sorts of “good reasons” we can fight a war half a world away, but we dare not secure our own homeland.

- Whats wrong with this picture?

- Bang