Comments on: Feds were ready to take a stand in Jefferson case http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:23:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Pam http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-161692 Pam Mon, 29 May 2006 03:00:54 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-161692 Quitting will not change anything. Someone else will replace him...so the only real option is to stay and do your job and butt heads if you must...more tends to get done that way. It wasn't a bad decision for Bush to seal those records. He didn't order them returned..he ordered them sealed for a period of 45 days...We are talking about the AG of the US who has the law on his side in this case. Quitting won't win the case, nor will it make a bit of difference in government. The amnesty bill is a totally seperate issue, that could potentially turn into a legal action. Quitting will not change anything. Someone else will replace him…so the only real option is to stay and do your job and butt heads if you must…more tends to get done that way. It wasn’t a bad decision for Bush to seal those records. He didn’t order them returned..he ordered them sealed for a period of 45 days…We are talking about the AG of the US who has the law on his side in this case. Quitting won’t win the case, nor will it make a bit of difference in government.

The amnesty bill is a totally seperate issue, that could potentially turn into a legal action.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-160637 Severian Sun, 28 May 2006 16:25:57 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-160637 The difference is in the type of data, pen trap data that shows numbers is considered different than actual conversations, same with e-mails, routing and IP address information is different than the actual contents, and protected to different degrees. The differentiating factor is that with one, address and other such data, you have already agreed to allow the phone company have access to this information in order to be able to bill you or because, as is the case with IP addresses, it's needed to allow the company to actually route your communications, but they don't need to have access to the contents in order to determine how to route or bill. Physical papers are treated differently than, say the address on an envelope. Since the post office has to see the address in order to deliver your mail, it's not protected to the same extent that the actual letter inside the sealed envelope is. Physical papers that are never sent by mail or intended to be distributed get the full protection as well of course. There really are rational, logical reasons these different types of data are treated differently, despite what the bedwetters in the press and the Democratic party would have you believe. The difference is in the type of data, pen trap data that shows numbers is considered different than actual conversations, same with e-mails, routing and IP address information is different than the actual contents, and protected to different degrees. The differentiating factor is that with one, address and other such data, you have already agreed to allow the phone company have access to this information in order to be able to bill you or because, as is the case with IP addresses, it’s needed to allow the company to actually route your communications, but they don’t need to have access to the contents in order to determine how to route or bill.

Physical papers are treated differently than, say the address on an envelope. Since the post office has to see the address in order to deliver your mail, it’s not protected to the same extent that the actual letter inside the sealed envelope is. Physical papers that are never sent by mail or intended to be distributed get the full protection as well of course.

There really are rational, logical reasons these different types of data are treated differently, despite what the bedwetters in the press and the Democratic party would have you believe.

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-160626 Big Bang Hunter Sun, 28 May 2006 16:18:44 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-160626 I'll tell you why Pam. Because their boss is wimping out. I'm seeing a whole lot of Conservatives that are tired of the spinless reactions of the Whitehouse over things that are made issues that are clearly not. There's no reason for Bush to play wuss on this, anymore than theres any reason for the hacks in Washington, both sides of the aisle, go right on ignoring the wishes of the majority of the American electorate on the border issue. I think both parties have lost contact with we the people. - If the Senate version of the immigration bill is any indication of Washington thinking in general, its time to clean house. - Bang **== I’ll tell you why Pam. Because their boss is wimping out. I’m seeing a whole lot of Conservatives that are tired of the spinless reactions of the Whitehouse over things that are made issues that are clearly not. There’s no reason for Bush to play wuss on this, anymore than theres any reason for the hacks in Washington, both sides of the aisle, go right on ignoring the wishes of the majority of the American electorate on the border issue. I think both parties have lost contact with we the people.

- If the Senate version of the immigration bill is any indication of Washington thinking in general, its time to clean house.

- Bang **==

]]> By: AysPinion http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-160484 AysPinion Sun, 28 May 2006 15:01:12 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-160484 The NSA program does not need a warrant. So, the idfference might be that for physical paper documents a warrant is needed, for other types of documents and communication, no warrant is needed, it's an existing program.*-:) The NSA program does not need a warrant. So, the idfference might be that for physical paper documents a warrant is needed, for other types of documents and communication, no warrant is needed, it’s an existing program.*-:)

]]> By: forest hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-157403 forest hunter Sat, 27 May 2006 16:13:53 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-157403 Here, here Betty! That entire attitude of we know better than thee therefore are above the frey, has never worked in all of recorded history. Which is why one of the most important things I hope to teach my little wrestlers, is about developing the right attitudes to guide one through life. There's little room for moral relevancy in the game of life, if the plan is to have a long term success. Here, here Betty! That entire attitude of we know better than thee therefore are above the frey, has never worked in all of recorded history.

Which is why one of the most important things I hope to teach my little wrestlers, is about developing the right attitudes to guide one through life. There’s little room for moral relevancy in the game of life, if the plan is to have a long term success.

]]> By: Betty Krambs http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-157274 Betty Krambs Sat, 27 May 2006 14:56:22 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-157274 NO ONE,absolutely no one, including presidents, senators, representatives, and the judiciary, is above the LAW!!! That's the bottome line! And it really bothers me how so many in our country today are being shielded from prosecution for being what they are or who they are. I question the rule of "how much justice can you afford" by being one of the rich or one of the powerful. NO ONE,absolutely no one, including presidents, senators, representatives, and the judiciary, is above the LAW!!! That’s the bottome line! And it really bothers me how so many in our country today are being shielded from prosecution for being what they are or who they are. I question the rule of “how much justice can you afford” by being one of the rich or one of the powerful.

]]> By: Pam http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-157252 Pam Sat, 27 May 2006 14:41:35 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-157252 I am not a fan of "I will quit in protest" attitudes. (Nor, the I will not vote in November, but that's another story!) These people earned their jobs because of their talent and knowledge. The govt will continue to function even if a resignation is handed in. How about instead of quitting, you roll up your sleeves and fight a good fight based on the law. How about you sit the POTUS, possibly the Speaker, down and explain what you are doing, how you got to the point of doing what you are doing and let the chips fall where they may. Gonzales has the law on his side....he didn't do anything wrong that various legal scholars can determine. Quitting is childish. Come on Gonzales..you can't fight Hasert, who legal scholars have concluded, hasn't a legal leg to stand on? Puhleeeze! I am not a fan of “I will quit in protest” attitudes. (Nor, the I will not vote in November, but that’s another story!) These people earned their jobs because of their talent and knowledge. The govt will continue to function even if a resignation is handed in. How about instead of quitting, you roll up your sleeves and fight a good fight based on the law. How about you sit the POTUS, possibly the Speaker, down and explain what you are doing, how you got to the point of doing what you are doing and let the chips fall where they may. Gonzales has the law on his side….he didn’t do anything wrong that various legal scholars can determine. Quitting is childish. Come on Gonzales..you can’t fight Hasert, who legal scholars have concluded, hasn’t a legal leg to stand on? Puhleeeze!

]]> By: Don Singleton http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/comment-page-1/#comment-157235 Don Singleton Sat, 27 May 2006 14:28:28 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/05/27/feds-were-ready-to-take-a-stand-in-jefferson-case/#comment-157235 <strong>Gonzales Said He Would Quit in Raid Dispute</strong> I dont blame him. Hastert and Peloci were idiots to complain about the legitimacy of the raid. Bush was very wise to do what neither group wanted, and seal the documents for 45 days while they could check with the Supreme Court, but giving them back ... Gonzales Said He Would Quit in Raid Dispute

I dont blame him. Hastert and Peloci were idiots to complain about the legitimacy of the raid. Bush was very wise to do what neither group wanted, and seal the documents for 45 days while they could check with the Supreme Court, but giving them back …

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