Can people please stop speculating and accusing the Marines of “cold blooded murder” and let the investigators do their jobs?

Murtha (before the investigation is even done and before any charges are filed and before a trial has been performed and verdict rendered): These men are cold blooded killers who murdered these Iraqi’s (paraphrased I didn’t look up his exact words).

Dems and libs are just fine with this. Now imagine a different scenario, a black man walks into a store owned by Koreans (just so we can get the racial element in here), pulls a gun, forces the old lady and young man behind the counter to kneel and caps them execution style in the back of the head, we have high quality surveilance video and eye witnesses. Now imagine that someone on the news, a DA or a cop says:

So and so (the perp) is a cold blooded killer who deliberately murdered these two innocent shopkeepers. (all before a trial, and not saying “alleged” in his statement).

Can you imagine the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth that would occur? The libs and press would crucify him for daring to assume guilt.

Talk about double standards.

It just seems that the stories that are coming out are not painting a very good picture.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197168,00.html?sPage=specialsections.foxnews/lawcenter

It is obvious that something happened, and it is obvious that the Marines were invovled. That is all we know for sure. The rest is, indeed, speculation, however, it just doesn’t look good.

I for one am reserving judgement until the investigation is complete and the results are released, but I am afraid that it may not look good for the Marines. I pray that I am wrong and I pray that it did not happen the way so many think it did.

Indeed, as I’ve said since before the war started. I happen to think that the last three years have gone vastly more badly than I’d ever hoped,

This comment is found at the beginning of the 4th paragraph of Gary’s 5/27 10:28 post. Is he telling us that he hoped the war would go badly, and is he telling us that the war is going worse than he hoped for?? I think there is some need for clarification, and I am hoping that I am just reading this wrong. – Lorica

- Bang

The man that has liberals jumping for joy for spreading rumors about the Haditha incident appeared on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Rep. John “Jack” Murtha discussed Hidithia solely with Stephy, unchallenged by the next guest, Senator John Warner. A reader tipped me off to a post by Redstate’s Mark Kilmer who wrote Murtha brought up the possibility that General Peter Pace ordered “the massacre at Haditha.”

Expose the Left

Now Murtha is saying General Pace, who has been an outspoken critic of Muthas, ordered the massacre.

I think it is time for Murtha to retire when he is accusing Marine Generals who criticize him of ordering massacres.

- Bang

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/27/AR2006052700846_pf.html

What reasons would those be?

Unfortunately if you think it is ignorance that brings about this statement then you are wrong.

All you need ot do is look at the news, look at who gets the news. Any one that has something bad to say about the administration gets air time.

Marines killed Iraqi civilians ‘in cold blood’: US lawmaker

Murtha calls Pentagon’s top general a liar

Murtha To Military: Don’t Blame Me

If your a critic of the military and of the administration it is already proven you iwll get the air time, even if as you say it is only a select few ‘extreme’ Lunatics that speak like this, it is these ‘lunatics’ as you put it, that are getting the air time like their point of view is te view of most Americans. THEY are the ones that will paint the military with a wide brush, and THEY are hte ones like murtha that will get the media air time, all the time, every day, to push their point of view as if it is the Majority view.

I don’t know who the “they” there is, but obviously no one but a few lunatic extremists will say any such thing. Obviously most of the folks who want withdrawals as soon as possible — of whom I don’t happen to be one — don’t feel that way, and implying they do is either ignorant or dishonest (I’ll choose ignorant — most folks don’t do well at understanding people they disagree with).

“I presume that your cause is noble.”

Thanks.

I’m about ready to bow out here. Thanks for your courteous input and responses.

Incidentally, I finally got through to Confederate Yankee’s site, and he reiterated that I am a “sick soul” and a “sickening soul” because I take a different view from him. I’m sorry he doesn’t believe in civil disagreement, and that’s been my only issue here, not discussing Iraq policy, which I’ll note again, I gave a lot of verbal support to as regards the invasion. My own position, before the war, as it went on, and through today, is that reasonable people can differ on what we should have done and should be doing, and that none of the moral choices available have ever been perfect, or without cost. No matter what, innocent people were going to suffer. It’s the real world, and there are never perfect moral options.

And we’d also have a better world, and a better country, in my view, if people were more willing to attempt to understand the points of view of those they disagree with, and to grant them the benefit of the doubt that they are sincere and looking to do the right thing, rather than assuming the worst of them.

Lastly, I think more Iraqis, in the end, will be impressed by the strength of our devotion to free speech, if we display that prominently, and there’s more chance they, and other oppressed people around the world who eventually find freedom, will adopt free speech, if we stand up strongly for it, rather than what will result if we stomp about trying to suppress it and condemn it on the grounds that we deeply disagree with it, are offended by it, think bad results will come of it, or that bad people will get the wrong idea from it.

I believe freedom of speech is one of our greatest strengths, not a weakness.

I don’t join with those who wish us to instead act more like North Korea, Cuba, Myannmar, China, and so on, and suppress Wrong Opinion, because Bad People will get the Wrong Idea from it.

But that’s me.

Anyway, I’m outa here. Thanks again for a good discussion, although I’m sorry Sistertoldjah never responded.

Happy Memorial Day weekend, and as I wrote, one soldier we shouldn’t forget is Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, who died at Haditha.

“Why are you not, if he said something wrong….” I said nothing of the kind Gary. My point was what I said earlier. What “blithely toss(ed) about slurs and assumptions….. did I speak of?

“We’re trying to win the hearts and minds…..”, and so how does providing addittional in your face style of “my bad” help the cause Gary? You seemed earnest in your initial appeal of being referred to as a “sick soul” and more than one here has attempted to provide input. I presume that your cause is noble.

I work for a living Gary, so when you ask about Hagee and the other three questions I don’t have all the answers. But again, you wanted and got input as to the references you mentioned earlier, no.

I find no enjoyment nor seek denunciation to anything. Did I misunderstand your initial request?