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	<title>Comments on: Haditha: The left&#8217;s &#8220;Gotcha&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Don&#039;t dis or dismiss this miss!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-182980</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;...and that&#039;s why atrocities such as Haditha do delegitimize the US war there.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

At least Jacob is finaly being honest. He really &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; support the troops. 

This is the new line from the left, folks.  Get ready for more of it.  

More to the point though, to people like jacob, unless our troops do everything perfectly all of the time, the entire effort is illigitmate.  The terrorist insurgents, however, are allowed to murder and pillage at will with nary a word of criticism.  If one police officer abuses a suspect, is law enforcement as a whole illigitimate?  of course not, yet that is the argument Jacob and his sort are making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;and that&#8217;s why atrocities such as Haditha do delegitimize the US war there.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>At least Jacob is finaly being honest. He really <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> support the troops. </p>
<p>This is the new line from the left, folks.  Get ready for more of it.  </p>
<p>More to the point though, to people like jacob, unless our troops do everything perfectly all of the time, the entire effort is illigitmate.  The terrorist insurgents, however, are allowed to murder and pillage at will with nary a word of criticism.  If one police officer abuses a suspect, is law enforcement as a whole illigitimate?  of course not, yet that is the argument Jacob and his sort are making.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bang Hunter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179618</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bang Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Anyone seen Bak lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Anyone seen Bak lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bang Hunter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179612</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bang Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They think they can&#039;t afford too Mwa. They&#039;re focusing on 2008, and feel they can&#039;t overcome the reticence of the electorate too change parties during a war. Coupled with their lack of any plan they can actual share with the electorate (Socialism always gets kicked to the curb by the average American regardless of party), I personally give them 1 chance in 10. Not good odds.

- Bang **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They think they can&#8217;t afford too Mwa. They&#8217;re focusing on 2008, and feel they can&#8217;t overcome the reticence of the electorate too change parties during a war. Coupled with their lack of any plan they can actual share with the electorate (Socialism always gets kicked to the curb by the average American regardless of party), I personally give them 1 chance in 10. Not good odds.</p>
<p>- Bang <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mwalimu Daudi</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179493</link>
		<dc:creator>Mwalimu Daudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to clear up a possible misconception about my earlier posts. Even if one takes the harshest possible view of the Dresden firebombing - that it was a war crime unjustified by military necessity - that in no way, shape or form makes the moral case for Nazi Germany. Nazism, Communism, Fascism, Islamofascism - they are all ugly assaults on humanity and I detest them all. We can second-guess how WWII was fought, but the end of the Third Reich is good no matter how you slice it. I wish the anti-war movement would realize the same is true in Iraq and the end of Saddam&#039;s reign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to clear up a possible misconception about my earlier posts. Even if one takes the harshest possible view of the Dresden firebombing &#8211; that it was a war crime unjustified by military necessity &#8211; that in no way, shape or form makes the moral case for Nazi Germany. Nazism, Communism, Fascism, Islamofascism &#8211; they are all ugly assaults on humanity and I detest them all. We can second-guess how WWII was fought, but the end of the Third Reich is good no matter how you slice it. I wish the anti-war movement would realize the same is true in Iraq and the end of Saddam&#8217;s reign.</p>
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		<title>By: Mwalimu Daudi</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179384</link>
		<dc:creator>Mwalimu Daudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, the German aggression you mention is not clear. It&#039;s true that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usmm.org/ww2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;US Merchant Marines were tangling with German U-boats before Pearl Harbor,&lt;/a&gt; but the US was supplying England at the time. Neither Roosevelt nor Hitler sought to make a war-worthy issue of it. And WWII was sold at least partially by Roosevelt as an attempt to liberate Europe (although half of it ended up in the Soviet Empire - some liberation!). At the end, the Marshall Plan was used to help rebuild post-war Europe (including West Germany). Germany &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; declare war on us first, but no reputable military historian thinks that Hitler was in any position to make good on that threat (at least not for a long time).

Would Hitler have threatened America? I think eventually he would have, if Nazi Germany had managed to crush Europe and the Soviet Union first. Thankfully we did not have find out the hard way.

My question was this: If Haditha makes our presence in Iraq illegitimate, does the firebombing of Dresden also make WWII illegitimate? The loss of civilian life was far higher in Dresden than in Haditha.

And as for Iraq - have you not heard about the new democratic government there? The Iraqi people now have a chance at democracy, something they never had under Saddam. The willingness of the anti-war movement to gloss over this is astounding.

Severian is right - let&#039;s wait for the investigation to be concluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, the German aggression you mention is not clear. It&#8217;s true that the <a href="http://www.usmm.org/ww2.html" rel="nofollow">US Merchant Marines were tangling with German U-boats before Pearl Harbor,</a> but the US was supplying England at the time. Neither Roosevelt nor Hitler sought to make a war-worthy issue of it. And WWII was sold at least partially by Roosevelt as an attempt to liberate Europe (although half of it ended up in the Soviet Empire &#8211; some liberation!). At the end, the Marshall Plan was used to help rebuild post-war Europe (including West Germany). Germany <em>did</em> declare war on us first, but no reputable military historian thinks that Hitler was in any position to make good on that threat (at least not for a long time).</p>
<p>Would Hitler have threatened America? I think eventually he would have, if Nazi Germany had managed to crush Europe and the Soviet Union first. Thankfully we did not have find out the hard way.</p>
<p>My question was this: If Haditha makes our presence in Iraq illegitimate, does the firebombing of Dresden also make WWII illegitimate? The loss of civilian life was far higher in Dresden than in Haditha.</p>
<p>And as for Iraq &#8211; have you not heard about the new democratic government there? The Iraqi people now have a chance at democracy, something they never had under Saddam. The willingness of the anti-war movement to gloss over this is astounding.</p>
<p>Severian is right &#8211; let&#8217;s wait for the investigation to be concluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bang Hunter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179352</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bang Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- As I said in an earlier post, the Left has to follow an all out assualt on the entire vWOT program, or face yet another round of loses if they can&#039;t marginalize things. As it stands, so far they just look weak, with the cut and run memes of their various leaders. Bad situation they&#039;ll try to remedy by stepping up the rhetoric to a fevor pitch. Pretty transperant, and not nearly as effective as in the past, prior to the advent of the internet, and high speed communications.

- A lie is followed right out the door with the truth these days, instead of lies leading by miles and days. Perceptions still count, but lies/propaganda can only mimic truth for a very short time, unfortunately for the left, so they tend to not carry the day anymore. In a world of hard facts, the left is in a alien landscape, and a world of hurt.

- Bang **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- As I said in an earlier post, the Left has to follow an all out assualt on the entire vWOT program, or face yet another round of loses if they can&#8217;t marginalize things. As it stands, so far they just look weak, with the cut and run memes of their various leaders. Bad situation they&#8217;ll try to remedy by stepping up the rhetoric to a fevor pitch. Pretty transperant, and not nearly as effective as in the past, prior to the advent of the internet, and high speed communications.</p>
<p>- A lie is followed right out the door with the truth these days, instead of lies leading by miles and days. Perceptions still count, but lies/propaganda can only mimic truth for a very short time, unfortunately for the left, so they tend to not carry the day anymore. In a world of hard facts, the left is in a alien landscape, and a world of hurt.</p>
<p>- Bang <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179182</link>
		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you know absolutely, Jacob, that the troops in question murdered 4 year olds how, exactly? Murtha told you? Don&#039;t you think it might be a tiny bit more rational to wait until the investigation, and trial if the evidence warrants one, before screaming and wetting your pants? 

And you have a very narrow and inaccurate view of the war if you think the only reason the war was started was &quot;the express purpose of helping the people of Iraq.&quot; That was one beneficial reason, but removing an unstable, dangerous, genocidal maniac who had designs on the whole Middle East, and yes, did have WMDs in the past, and IMO still had them (you do know they have found WMDs in Iraq don&#039;t you?), and still had the capability of building more, who constantly violated international treaties and agreements, who almost daily shot at US aircraft, etc. etc. etc. 

Next you&#039;ll be telling us you really are a conservative, ex military, Republican, no, really!:-@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you know absolutely, Jacob, that the troops in question murdered 4 year olds how, exactly? Murtha told you? Don&#8217;t you think it might be a tiny bit more rational to wait until the investigation, and trial if the evidence warrants one, before screaming and wetting your pants? </p>
<p>And you have a very narrow and inaccurate view of the war if you think the only reason the war was started was &#8220;the express purpose of helping the people of Iraq.&#8221; That was one beneficial reason, but removing an unstable, dangerous, genocidal maniac who had designs on the whole Middle East, and yes, did have WMDs in the past, and IMO still had them (you do know they have found WMDs in Iraq don&#8217;t you?), and still had the capability of building more, who constantly violated international treaties and agreements, who almost daily shot at US aircraft, etc. etc. etc. </p>
<p>Next you&#8217;ll be telling us you really are a conservative, ex military, Republican, no, really!<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_talktohand.gif' alt='&#58;&#45;&#64;' class='wp-smiley' width='31' height='16' title='&#58;&#45;&#64;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-179069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point you&#039;re missing is that the US went into Iraq with the express purpose of helping the people of Iraq by overthrowing Saddam and turning Iraq into a democracy.  When your soldiers start massacring 4 year olds and covering it up, it brings into question exactly how much good you&#039;re doing for the Iraqi people and their fledging democracy.  Killing civilians is not helping the Iraqi people, is not helping establish the rule of law, and doesn&#039;t promote the idea of a legimate Iraq government. 

WW2 was not fought to &quot;free the German people from Nazi opression&quot; or to &quot;free the Japanese people from their Emperor&quot;, that war were fought to defend the US from German and Japanese aggression.  That&#039;s the big difference with Iraq, and that&#039;s why atrocities such as Haditha do delegitimize the US war there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point you&#8217;re missing is that the US went into Iraq with the express purpose of helping the people of Iraq by overthrowing Saddam and turning Iraq into a democracy.  When your soldiers start massacring 4 year olds and covering it up, it brings into question exactly how much good you&#8217;re doing for the Iraqi people and their fledging democracy.  Killing civilians is not helping the Iraqi people, is not helping establish the rule of law, and doesn&#8217;t promote the idea of a legimate Iraq government. </p>
<p>WW2 was not fought to &#8220;free the German people from Nazi opression&#8221; or to &#8220;free the Japanese people from their Emperor&#8221;, that war were fought to defend the US from German and Japanese aggression.  That&#8217;s the big difference with Iraq, and that&#8217;s why atrocities such as Haditha do delegitimize the US war there.</p>
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		<title>By: A Blog For All</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-178990</link>
		<dc:creator>A Blog For All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Waiting Game&lt;/strong&gt;

If you&#039;re in the media, you can&#039;t wait for a story to unfold, especially one as potentially explosive as the Haditha incident. You&#039;ve got to scoop your competition, work your contacts, and hope for leaks that will produce copy... Or making up the ne...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Waiting Game</strong></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in the media, you can&#8217;t wait for a story to unfold, especially one as potentially explosive as the Haditha incident. You&#8217;ve got to scoop your competition, work your contacts, and hope for leaks that will produce copy&#8230; Or making up the ne&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bang Hunter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-178894</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bang Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Political/moral equivalency is one of the modern plagues of humanity. Thats how the moonbats get from 0.01% to &quot;all the military&quot;.

- Just the same I&#039;m hard put to remember ANY Conservative Politician EVER making a statement about &quot;putting a bullet between the eyes&quot; of a sitting president, or any president or any other official for that matter. At some point something needs to be done to tone down the crazyness of the left, and some of their equally crazy public statements.

- What makes the outreageous comment even more eggregious, and stupid, is that he preceded it with &quot;...[how] do I say this diplomatically...&quot;. The Left really needs to get some common sense, or theres going to start to be some repercussions, and I can&#039;t say they don&#039;t deserve it.

- Bang **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Political/moral equivalency is one of the modern plagues of humanity. Thats how the moonbats get from 0.01% to &#8220;all the military&#8221;.</p>
<p>- Just the same I&#8217;m hard put to remember ANY Conservative Politician EVER making a statement about &#8220;putting a bullet between the eyes&#8221; of a sitting president, or any president or any other official for that matter. At some point something needs to be done to tone down the crazyness of the left, and some of their equally crazy public statements.</p>
<p>- What makes the outreageous comment even more eggregious, and stupid, is that he preceded it with &#8220;&#8230;[how] do I say this diplomatically&#8230;&#8221;. The Left really needs to get some common sense, or theres going to start to be some repercussions, and I can&#8217;t say they don&#8217;t deserve it.</p>
<p>- Bang <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: The Sandbox</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-178629</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sandbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Friday Wrap-up&lt;/strong&gt;

As I begin looking forward to my weekend, I realize blogging has been pretty light lately. I&#039;m three weeks away from packing up out here in California and heading back home for a little while before I start Officer Training</description>
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<p>As I begin looking forward to my weekend, I realize blogging has been pretty light lately. I&#8217;m three weeks away from packing up out here in California and heading back home for a little while before I start Officer Training</p>
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		<title>By: Mwalimu Daudi</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/06/02/haditha-the-lefts-gotcha/comment-page-1/#comment-178559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mwalimu Daudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;One suspects that U.S. troops were party to some awful events in the Pacific and European theaters of World War II, all gone in the mists of history and the enemy&#039;s defeat.&lt;/em&gt;

Not quite gone - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the firebombing of Dresden comes to mind.&lt;/a&gt;

The May Lai Massacre was the result of the actions of a small handful of US soldiers. We don&#039;t know about Haditha yet (despite the hyperventilating of the MSM and John Murtha), but critics of the Iraq war would be hard pressed to prove that this is an example of murderous intent on the part of the entire US military.

Dresden, on the other hand, cost 35,000 or more Germans their lives - and was part of a general military strategy to &quot;punish&quot; the German people. Winston Churchill was repulsed by the bombing although it was carried out by Air Marshall Arthur Harris. I know of no historian who argues that bombing Dresden was anything other than pure revenge.

I am curious - did the Dresden firebombing somehow negate the war against fascism? Do we owe Hitler an apology for &quot;an illegal war of occupation&quot;? Should we withdraw all US troops from Europe (where they have been since the end of WWII)? How far does moral equivalency go?

Finally, I have a hard time believing the crocodile tears of the &quot;anti-war&quot; movement about the children of Iraq. What about the children slaughtered almost daily by the &quot;insurgents&quot;? Where was their outrage over &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cambodiangenocide.org/genocide.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the genocide in Cambodia&lt;/a&gt;? Why should anyone take the antiwar movement seriously after that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>One suspects that U.S. troops were party to some awful events in the Pacific and European theaters of World War II, all gone in the mists of history and the enemy&#8217;s defeat.</em></p>
<p>Not quite gone &#8211; <a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm" rel="nofollow">the firebombing of Dresden comes to mind.</a></p>
<p>The May Lai Massacre was the result of the actions of a small handful of US soldiers. We don&#8217;t know about Haditha yet (despite the hyperventilating of the MSM and John Murtha), but critics of the Iraq war would be hard pressed to prove that this is an example of murderous intent on the part of the entire US military.</p>
<p>Dresden, on the other hand, cost 35,000 or more Germans their lives &#8211; and was part of a general military strategy to &#8220;punish&#8221; the German people. Winston Churchill was repulsed by the bombing although it was carried out by Air Marshall Arthur Harris. I know of no historian who argues that bombing Dresden was anything other than pure revenge.</p>
<p>I am curious &#8211; did the Dresden firebombing somehow negate the war against fascism? Do we owe Hitler an apology for &#8220;an illegal war of occupation&#8221;? Should we withdraw all US troops from Europe (where they have been since the end of WWII)? How far does moral equivalency go?</p>
<p>Finally, I have a hard time believing the crocodile tears of the &#8220;anti-war&#8221; movement about the children of Iraq. What about the children slaughtered almost daily by the &#8220;insurgents&#8221;? Where was their outrage over <a href="http://www.cambodiangenocide.org/genocide.htm" rel="nofollow">the genocide in Cambodia</a>? Why should anyone take the antiwar movement seriously after that?</p>
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