Comments on: Male “heterosupremacy” to blame in brutal rape and murder of young Iraqi girl

By: Big Bang Hunter

Big Bang Hunter — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:16:36 +0000

Lorica – What you always get when you scratch a Liberal…. No “there” there….

- Bang

By: Lorica

Lorica — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:28:47 +0000

Take Care it was good chatting with you. – Lorica

By: curiousgyrl

curiousgyrl — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:32:59 +0000

Ok, bye ya’ll. Its been real nice.

By: Lorica

Lorica — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:16:55 +0000

Gyrl you had a point??? If you do please come to it and stop wasting my time with your lib double speak. Never seen any have so little to say, and take so much time saying it. Also my point is backed up by modern society. How many of the 112 pound 25 year old near supermodel girls that you know hang out with 350 pound beer swilling, pot bellied, meat eating neanderthals??? I can give you that answer right now, NONE. It ain’t their personality that makes them girls do a backward glance at a man in jeans now is it?? So don’t go all liberal on me about points being made. When your logic, comes into alignment with reality then we can talk, until then, you don’t have a point Sweetie. – Lorica

Ohh yeah and it is Romeo not being a Momma’s boy that makes your heart go thump thump thump.

By: Big Bang Hunter

Big Bang Hunter — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:00:29 +0000

Sweetie – If I were craving atention I’d do something like go on TV and call Bush worse than Hitler, or hang with third world dictators and praise them for building armies while their citizens starve.

- But to answer your question. I deplore aggression, in any form. My 68 years of experience has taught me that the problem isn’t “enherent aggression”, it’s time, and ego. If people knew they would live for 500 or a 1000 years, you’d see war’s all but end. I’ll leave you too your own concile to devine just why that should be so. Bon Appitite’

- Bang

By: curiousgyrl

curiousgyrl — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:31:37 +0000

Bang–sorry to leave you hanging. I didnt address your other points becuase they seemed less than relevantto my argument, but I’ll pay attention to you if you want.

I’m not saying all men are rapists, and I haven’t heard anyone say so. I’m also not arguing percentages with you; neither of us have evidence. I’m saying this crime is the predictable in war, and acting surprised is dishonest. If you are for the war, you had to know that this would happen and think it would be worth it. What I want to know is what makes this sort of thing justified in your mind? Lorica says its just the way things are so we might as well like it. Ok, fine. What’s your angle?

By: Big Bang Hunter

Big Bang Hunter — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:47:35 +0000

- Nice job of the old leftist ploy of “parse and cherry pick”, taking anything you can out of context, curiousgyrl. Since you didn’t address any of my points, I’ll take that as a graceful surrender.

- I would just add this. If even 10% of the male population acted in a totally uncivilized manner in the ways we’re discussing, which they do not, that still wouldn’t make it a “post-modern troupe” trend, nor would it prove it too be a enherent male trait.

- I’m going to guess that the “y” in your “womyn” nick, is indicative of mysogomystic feelings, stemming from a bad personal experience of one sort or another. For that if it’s true, on your behalf, I can extend my condolences.

- However extending that to an all compassing “all men are….”, is just projecting a personal agenda.

- Bang

By: curiousgyrl

curiousgyrl — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:11:26 +0000

Lorica;

thanks for making my point. I dont agree with you, but unlike “sister,” you’re at least honest. I think you are deluding yourself, however if you think “true romance and galantry” are all that “Male Heterosupremacy” has on tap for the girls back home, but I’ll leave that for another post.

By: Lorica

Lorica — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:49:08 +0000

What I am saying is I distrust the motives of the majority of people who are attempting to make our troops look bad. I lost all respect for Cindy after she came back to Crawford early from her ailing Mother, and went on and on and on about how they now had caterers. Also why did she feel the need to write a book?? Why did she feel the need to go to Venezula or New Orleans?? What does that have to do with Casey, her Son?? How does her recent actions honor the memory of her Son?? I distrust her motives, just like I distrust this eye witness. Yes it looks bad for these Soldiers, but that doesn’t equivocate to the “whole war is wrong”. Too many on the left, Seelhoff included, believe that Iraq is wrong and that these types of incidences are the ill gotten fruit of an illegal war. These types of things happened in France in 1946 too. It is at these times, checkpoint watching in times of war, that Officers need to stand on troops.

It is not Male Heterosurpremacy, that causes these things to happen. In fact I will go so far as to say in defense of Male Heterosurpremacy is that it alone has cultivated true romance, and galantry. Juliette didn’t fall in love with Romeo because he was a mamma’s boy. The love and appreciate of beauty launched 1000 ships. It was beauty that tamed the Beast. Heterosurpremacy is written thru out our history, now all of a sudden it is a bad thing. I think doth thou protests too much. – Lorica

By: curiousgyrl

curiousgyrl — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:24:47 +0000

Lorica–

also out of curiousity, what do you mean by this? “or is our “witness” just attempting to be the next Cindy Sheehan??” I’m not fluent in the conservative take on Cindy, except ya’ll dont like her. Is there something in her story she lied about or falsely claimed to have witnessed?

By: curiousgyrl

curiousgyrl — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:33:34 +0000

Lorica–yes, you have missed the point. no one that I’ve read has suggested that the song describes an actual event.

Bang–”Once in awhile some nutcase does something really heinious..” Or in this case, up to 15 nutcases. With back up to cover it up, while only 1 US soldier came forward initially. How can you argue this is a singular event in a military that gave us Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Mai lai, on and on. I’m not trashing the US military in specific; this happens in all wars. I’m just saying if you’re for the war, you’re for this. You have to defend it as means to a greater end, not act shocked.

By: Lorica

Lorica — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:44:37 +0000

First, do we know for a fact that this song is about an actual event, or is our “witness” just attempting to be the next Cindy Sheehan?? I guess before I start judging these situations, I should wait until all the evidence is in, not just someone making what could be false accusations. I don’t know maybe I am missing everyone’s points, and I will have to admit, until this is actually in the courts, I am not going to listen to the BS that the MSM likes to blab on and on and on about. – Lorica

By: Big Bang Hunter

Big Bang Hunter — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:05:19 +0000

- Once in awhile some nutcase does something really heinious. There’s bad apples in every walk of life. To assign some broad brush theory to every male, on serious reflection, is exactly what it seems; an attempt to latch on to some issue or another for your “agenda”.

- A femenist “womyn” thinks nothing of this sort of intemperate nonsense, trying to condemn the entire male group, while the political gaggle she belongs too, screech how unfair, and even racist it is, to “profile” all Muslims as even “potentially” being a threat.

- Whats wrong with this picture. If you’re dealing with the revisionist Left, it’s biz as usual. the ironies march onward.

- Bang

By: curiousgyrl

curiousgyrl — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:04:33 +0000

Actually you may have missed my point. I apologize for not being more clear.

It is relevant to heart’s assertion that the crime is part of a broader cultural problem or if it is a singular anomaly, as you suggest, knowing whether this event was a conspiracy involving a larger number of soldiers or a crime of opportunity which was what you asserted. It seems clear that it was NOT a crime of opportunity and that the crime and possible cover-up may have involved large numbers of people.

As for your larger point, I think it’s a bad political strategy. If you support the war, support it, but accept that crimes like this happen pretty frequently in wartime for pretty much all of human history. It seems like a losing battle to argue that this is anomalous in the face of vast historical and mounting contemporary evidence. If you’re honest, you should argue that the price is worth it, a la Albright on sanctions.

(PS–I’m not sure what I did besides show up to deserve the broadside wrt my intellect, but it makes you look bad.)

By: Sister Toldjah

Sister Toldjah — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:18:53 +0000

Um, not that my minor error changed the point behind what I wrote, which of course you didn’t address (or perhaps didn’t get).