- Oh and Media matters, feeding the public all the bull***t Sorose’s money can buy. Yep, another moonbat winner.

- Anyone who believes there’s any more or less coruption in one party versus another, and trusts partisan groups, bought and paid for, to get their “facts” is either young, inexperienced, or both.
…*chuckle*

- Bang

Also my original comment was on William Jefferson, you brought up Abramhoff and now you are defending your comment but oddly enough, We see nothing in your posts about William Jefferson. Ohhh but the corruption is only in the Republican party. That is all we hear from you guys. Do we see William Jefferson resigning like Duke Cunningham??? Noooo he even plays the race card in his defense.

To bring this back to what this thread was about originally, which was Barkley switching parties. I only commented on your original post because you seem to only want to see Republican corruption. When I am only trying to figure out the logic you used as to why Barkley switched parties. As I said before WHY would Barkley switch parties due to Republican corruption in Congress, when the Dems are just as bad??? Why don’t you try to answer the question??? – Lorica

Serving the delusions of liberals with false facts and moonbat talking points…we think so you don’t have to!

I didn’t refer to the Abramoff scandal as a Republican scandal, although it mostly is. The only one indicted in connection to this scandal is a Republican.
1) Only Republicans received campaign donations directly from Jack Abramoff. If you do a search by donor and look at all the contributions made by “Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela”, you’ll see that every single donation was made to a Republican candidate or PAC.

2) The rest of the money is money donated by the various Indian tribes that hired him, NOT Abramoff himself. True, these funds could be tainted. Which brings us to point 3. Since this spin has been noted previously, I’ll quote from the Media Matters article.

3) From Media Matters:

Although Kornblut amended her statement to claim that Abramoff “had his clients donate to Democrats,” her comment falsely suggests that Republicans and Democrats are equally enmeshed in the scandal surrounding Abramoff. In fact, while Democrats have received contributions from Abramoff’s lobbying groups and his clients, Kornblut’s statement ignores the difference between accepting contributions from groups linked to Abramoff, which is legal and proper, and taking contributions in exchange for official actions, which is illegal, and which is at the heart of the ongoing investigations.
Again, just because Abramoff’s clients (Indian tribes, which have historically supported the Democrats) have contributed to Democrats doesn’t mean that the Democrats are at all involved in this scandal.

That seems to be what Barkley is doing here

the word ‘That’ refered to Barkley stating or thinking

“I’m a fiscal conservative who is upset with how Republicans have spent taxpayer money like wildfire on ridiculous pork projects – so I’m hereby declaring myself a Democrat!”

I did vote Green. It doesn’t mean attend Green primaries and give to the party. Affiliate: To adopt or accept as a member, subordinate associate, or branch.

You know, with people like tom, it’s hard to tell if they are just basically intellectually dishonest, or if their reading comprehension skills are so bad, coupled with a complete inability to reason or understand logical thought, that they don’t know any better when they wander around aimlessly trying to find a point, or if it’s both at the same time.

It is apparent, however, that a return to classical educational values, including emphasis on logic, reasoning, and hard facts, is long overdue.

The discussion was about why Barkley left the Reb party for the Dem party. YOU alude to the fact that it might be caused by the corruption in Congress. Ok so logically he left the Rebs for the Dems because the Dems are as pure as the driven snow??? I rightful corrected you, pointing out that the corruption was on both sides of the aisle. SO then you attempt to correct me by posting about the “Rep” Abramhoff Scandal. I am sorry but the last I saw there are almost as many Dems on that list as Rebs.

Good try to correct me, but it is not going to work. Logically why would someone leave one organization due to corruption, only to go to another organization that is equally corrupt. There is no logic in that thought. – Lorica

Really? Why did you write this, then, back in late April?

I’m Green. I voted for Nader. I’d agree with more of the Dem party platforms than those of the Republicans. I think both major political parties are mostly liars and shysters.

What was that you were saying to me in another thread here about honesty, tom?

Because you took me out of context. If you read what I wrote in context (in addition to what I’d already written about not knowing what “issues” Barkley had with the Republican party – which I requoted to you already) it should have been pretty clear. Here’s what I wrote in context:

That seems to be what Barkley is doing here – he claims that he believes the Republican party has “lost their minds” but instead of working within the party to change things, he’s switched parties altogether. Which tells me that it’s not so much the Republican party who has disgusted Barkley but more like that Barkley’s had a change of heart over the years in how he views political issues.

“‘Old Conservatives’ like John Dean, WF Buckley and publications like The American Spectator are all trying to distance themselves from this administration. ”

This administration is not “the party”.

“I know. You were once lost, and now found – and have joined the Republican party. You said you switched because your beliefs have changed, but that’s not true of everyone that changes parties. Sometimes you leave the party, sometimes the party leaves you. ‘Old Conservatives’ like John Dean, WF Buckley and publications like The American Spectator are all trying to distance themselves from this administration.”

But this administration is not “the party.”

“I’m not saying they’ve left the Republican Party, but they increasingly feel at odds with the direction of the party, and I don’t think they’d tell you they’ve change their beliefs. Hopefully they’ll fight to get their party back.”

Which is my whole point. I’m not merely talking about “leaving the party” – I’m talking about leaving one of the big parties to go to the other one simply because you are ‘frustrated’ with the party you formerly affiliated yourself with. You’re kind of proving my point for me.

Also, Also, you’re mixing two points together that should be separate. You bring up examples of people who are distancing themselves from the party, but not leaving the party – they’re working within it to change it. You also note that some people ‘change parties’ because the party has left them – yet the examples you cite are examples of people who have not left the Republican party.

From the Pew Research Center

The American public is angry with Congress, and this is bad news for the Republican Party. The belief that this Congress has accomplished less than its predecessors is markedly higher than at any point in the past nine years, and by a wide margin Republican leaders are blamed for this. Many more voters than in the recent past say the issue of partisan control of Congress will be a factor in their vote in November. And as has been the case since fall, voters are significantly more inclined to vote for Democrats than Republicans – by a 51% to 41% margin.

That seems to be what Barkley is doing here –

Sounds allot to me like you think he left because he disagrees with the Repbulicans fiscal policy. How did I misunderstand this??

You replied to me
Let me guess: you’re going to try and convince me that you’re one of those ‘old conservatives’ right? I’m waiting for the “I’m a conservative bbbbut…” lines anytime now.

Actually, I’m not conservative and won’t claim to be – I don’t affiliate with any political party. I know you don’t get opposing view points much here. I read your site to try to understand the conservative view point. You seem to (generally) have a reasoned, balanced take on current events. But when I disagree, I’ll let you know. Fair?

I know. You were once lost, and now found – and have joined the Republican party. You said you switched because your beliefs have changed, but that’s not true of everyone that changes parties. Sometimes you leave the party, sometimes the party leaves you. ‘Old Conservatives’ like John Dean, WF Buckley and publications like The American Spectator are all trying to distance themselves from this administration. I’m not saying they’ve left the Republican Party, but they increasingly feel at odds with the direction of the party, and I don’t think they’d tell you they’ve change their beliefs. Hopefully they’ll fight to get their party back.