Comments on: A story about the modern day ‘feminist movement’ http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:28:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-340297 Severian Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:58:14 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-340297 Also, I should note that while it's obviously possible for people to be ethical and moral and not religious, it's not probable. Most people, IMO, need religion to help civilize them (again depending on the religion obviously), and teach them ethics and morality. I think, by and large, most human beings need religion, it's part of the human need. People such as secular humanists, as most of the "leftists" think of themselves, still need a religion. Unfortunately for both them and the rest of the world, they choose Marxism, socialism, environmentalism, or some other -ism (often fascism) and use it for what most other people use religion for, and are as or more fanatical in their blind devotion to it as some are to a particular religion. I think the US would be a lot better off without people treating tree hugging as a religion, or Marxist/Socialist ideology as a religion. Also, I should note that while it’s obviously possible for people to be ethical and moral and not religious, it’s not probable. Most people, IMO, need religion to help civilize them (again depending on the religion obviously), and teach them ethics and morality. I think, by and large, most human beings need religion, it’s part of the human need. People such as secular humanists, as most of the “leftists” think of themselves, still need a religion. Unfortunately for both them and the rest of the world, they choose Marxism, socialism, environmentalism, or some other -ism (often fascism) and use it for what most other people use religion for, and are as or more fanatical in their blind devotion to it as some are to a particular religion. I think the US would be a lot better off without people treating tree hugging as a religion, or Marxist/Socialist ideology as a religion.

]]> By: Marshall Art http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-340004 Marshall Art Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:32:24 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-340004 I can live with that for the most part. We are aligned on what's good for our culture. I hope you haven't dismissed Christianity as an area of research. There's much to be discovered, even whilst maintaining your current position. I can live with that for the most part. We are aligned on what’s good for our culture. I hope you haven’t dismissed Christianity as an area of research. There’s much to be discovered, even whilst maintaining your current position.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-334581 Severian Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:56:24 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-334581 Well, despite the fact I am agnostic, I was raised in the South, protestant/judeo/christian tradtion and values. While I personally do not find religion compelling, I am not hostile to it, nor do I wish to see it restrained or limited, at least non-violent religions. I see much good in the Judeo/Christian tradition and religion, properly practiced, a religion like Christianity that's based on God's love for mankind as opposed to Islamic violence and jihad is a good thing. I would never think of attempting to force my views on others, unlike that nimrod Newdow and his ACLU buddies. Well, despite the fact I am agnostic, I was raised in the South, protestant/judeo/christian tradtion and values. While I personally do not find religion compelling, I am not hostile to it, nor do I wish to see it restrained or limited, at least non-violent religions. I see much good in the Judeo/Christian tradition and religion, properly practiced, a religion like Christianity that’s based on God’s love for mankind as opposed to Islamic violence and jihad is a good thing. I would never think of attempting to force my views on others, unlike that nimrod Newdow and his ACLU buddies.

]]> By: Marshall Art http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-334375 Marshall Art Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:05:46 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-334375 I'd love to believe that, and actually don't think it should be a problem. The fact is, though I believe the Judeo-Christian tradition is the best source for good values, for the sake of our society it doesn't really matter what source is used, as long as the good values are lived, encouraged, and taught to our young. I’d love to believe that, and actually don’t think it should be a problem. The fact is, though I believe the Judeo-Christian tradition is the best source for good values, for the sake of our society it doesn’t really matter what source is used, as long as the good values are lived, encouraged, and taught to our young.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-332011 Severian Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:52:45 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-332011 Lofty goals and ideals help us aspire to be more than we are, which is what the ultimate goal of humans should be Marshall. The ultimate goal should not be to justify and rationalize animalistic behavior and underachievement. We's all still be living in caves otherwise. I'm an agnostic, you don't have to be a Christian taliban Bible thumper to recognize the difference between good and evil, proper and improper in the human condition. Lofty goals and ideals help us aspire to be more than we are, which is what the ultimate goal of humans should be Marshall. The ultimate goal should not be to justify and rationalize animalistic behavior and underachievement. We’s all still be living in caves otherwise. I’m an agnostic, you don’t have to be a Christian taliban Bible thumper to recognize the difference between good and evil, proper and improper in the human condition.

]]> By: camojack http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-330559 camojack Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:37:52 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-330559 Personally, I'm just a <em>lesbian</em> trapped in a man's body. :d Personally, I’m just a lesbian trapped in a man’s body. :d

]]> By: Marshall Art http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-330380 Marshall Art Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:50:39 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-330380 ST---incredible post with your usual awesome imsight. Sev--fine concurrence. I've used that exact same argument about transcending one's base nature, and how it would benefit society vs. the liberal self-gratification as the norm, on a lib blog I like to visit, and for my troubles, I get accused of being a radical Christian taliban wacko. It's as if all the qualities once considered virtuous and noble are now just fundie nonsense. And though I am indeed a Christian and somewhat fundamental at that, I take great pains to offer "secular" arguments for higher ideals, and they just can't dig it. (In fact, for fun, I was going to accuse all you folks of being radical Christian talibanic wackos, but changed my mind.) But I saw a movie recently with Robt Dubal, Haley Joel Osmett, and a British actor that everyone would know if I could loosen the brain cramp I'm currently experiencing. But there was a speech Duval gave to the kid about, what one believes in doesn't have to be true. Good always defeating evil, true love being all that matters, honor, courage, decency. If all of those things were out and out false, they'd still be good things in which to believe. The women spoken of, like almost all libs, have to one degree or another, dispensed with those lofty charateristics and as stated have sought to legitimize crappy behavior. I fail to see how they've improved life at all. ST—incredible post with your usual awesome imsight.

Sev–fine concurrence. I’ve used that exact same argument about transcending one’s base nature, and how it would benefit society vs. the liberal self-gratification as the norm, on a lib blog I like to visit, and for my troubles, I get accused of being a radical Christian taliban wacko. It’s as if all the qualities once considered virtuous and noble are now just fundie nonsense. And though I am indeed a Christian and somewhat fundamental at that, I take great pains to offer “secular” arguments for higher ideals, and they just can’t dig it. (In fact, for fun, I was going to accuse all you folks of being radical Christian talibanic wackos, but changed my mind.) But I saw a movie recently with Robt Dubal, Haley Joel Osmett, and a British actor that everyone would know if I could loosen the brain cramp I’m currently experiencing. But there was a speech Duval gave to the kid about, what one believes in doesn’t have to be true. Good always defeating evil, true love being all that matters, honor, courage, decency. If all of those things were out and out false, they’d still be good things in which to believe. The women spoken of, like almost all libs, have to one degree or another, dispensed with those lofty charateristics and as stated have sought to legitimize crappy behavior. I fail to see how they’ve improved life at all.

]]> By: Karl http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329627 Karl Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:05:44 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329627 See what happens when you speak the truth? See what happens when you speak the truth?

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329466 Big Bang Hunter Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:22:15 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329466 Hey ST - Nothing wrong with a little adoration when it comes your way... *chuckle* - Bang **== Hey ST – Nothing wrong with a little adoration when it comes your way… *chuckle*

- Bang **==

]]> By: Leaning Straight Up http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329460 Leaning Straight Up Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:20:54 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329460 <strong>The Current State of Feminism</strong> When someone says it right, I see no reason not to give them full credit. One of my favorite bloggers, is Sister Toldjah.  She has always impressed me with her insight and perspective and this post is no exception. Her post, in part, deals wi... The Current State of Feminism

When someone says it right, I see no reason not to give them full credit.
One of my favorite bloggers, is Sister Toldjah.  She has always impressed me with her insight and perspective and this post is no exception.
Her post, in part, deals wi…

]]> By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329302 Sister Toldjah Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:47:24 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329302 Wow! I'm going to have to blog about feminist issues more often, seeing as to what reactions they elicit :"> Sev - you've nailed it as usual, my friend. Wow! I’m going to have to blog about feminist issues more often, seeing as to what reactions they elicit :">

Sev – you’ve nailed it as usual, my friend.

]]> By: forest hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329301 forest hunter Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:47:22 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329301 Spot on Sev as usual! Limbo came to mind when I read her comments with the fruitcake. "How low can you go?" Spot on Sev as usual! Limbo came to mind when I read her comments with the fruitcake. “How low can you go?”

]]> By: Big Bang Hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329300 Big Bang Hunter Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:47:21 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329300 Sev - In one sentence: "From each according to thier gullibility...Too each according to thier sloth" - - The Neo Democratic party mantra. Uncle Marx would be proud. - Bang **== Sev – In one sentence: “From each according to thier gullibility…Too each according to thier sloth” –

- The Neo Democratic party mantra. Uncle Marx would be proud.

- Bang **==

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329246 Severian Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:34:32 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329246 I keep coming back to your post ST, and you have definitely managed to crystalize a thought I've been having for quite a long time. Liberals, progressives, leftists, socialists, Marxists, whatever they choose to call themselves at any particular time, are all about tearing down things that are better than themselves. The military believes in duty, honor, country, and are examples of self sacrifice and bravery. Cowardly, lazy, dishonorable, dishonest people will tear the military down because the military ideal embarasses them, it shows them for what they are. Rather than try and live up to the ideal, they tear it down and try and make their complete failures as human beings the norm, not only accepted but glorified. Country, love of, and patriotism, means recognizing that you owe a debt to the country that offers you these freedoms, and that implies sacrifice, can't have that. They hate capitalists and business, these people, through hard work and dedication, provide a better life not only for themselves but for others, through job creation and wealth generation, so they hate them because the capitalists make them feel lazy and unproductive. They hate moral people because they make them feel immoral. It's an entire ideology based on dragging everyone in society down to the lowest common denominator to assuage the guilt and worthlessness they feel. Why else would anyone want government to take care of them when they should be doing it themselves. They may try and cloak themselves in mantras of "we're doing it for the poor and disadvantaged" when what they should be doing for them is encouraging them to rise above whatever hand life dealt them and excel. What a wonderful and uplifting ideology. l-) I keep coming back to your post ST, and you have definitely managed to crystalize a thought I’ve been having for quite a long time. Liberals, progressives, leftists, socialists, Marxists, whatever they choose to call themselves at any particular time, are all about tearing down things that are better than themselves. The military believes in duty, honor, country, and are examples of self sacrifice and bravery. Cowardly, lazy, dishonorable, dishonest people will tear the military down because the military ideal embarasses them, it shows them for what they are. Rather than try and live up to the ideal, they tear it down and try and make their complete failures as human beings the norm, not only accepted but glorified. Country, love of, and patriotism, means recognizing that you owe a debt to the country that offers you these freedoms, and that implies sacrifice, can’t have that. They hate capitalists and business, these people, through hard work and dedication, provide a better life not only for themselves but for others, through job creation and wealth generation, so they hate them because the capitalists make them feel lazy and unproductive. They hate moral people because they make them feel immoral. It’s an entire ideology based on dragging everyone in society down to the lowest common denominator to assuage the guilt and worthlessness they feel. Why else would anyone want government to take care of them when they should be doing it themselves. They may try and cloak themselves in mantras of “we’re doing it for the poor and disadvantaged” when what they should be doing for them is encouraging them to rise above whatever hand life dealt them and excel.

What a wonderful and uplifting ideology. l-)

]]> By: Phil http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-329160 Phil Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:17:24 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/08/03/a-story-about-the-modern-day-feminist-movement/#comment-329160 Yes indeed forest hunter that it would be enormous celebration, well I just thought that I would ask ST I mean nothing ventured nothing gained. Also I would look on that as a honor and a privledge to date ST, she is a very special lady and I stress the word Lady. Yes indeed forest hunter that it would be enormous celebration, well I just thought that I would ask ST I mean nothing ventured nothing gained. Also I would look on that as a honor and a privledge to date ST, she is a very special lady and I stress the word Lady.

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