Friday open thread

Been a busy morning here at the 8-5, but I’m hoping to be blogging by around lunchtime.

In the meantime, keep it tuned to two places: HotAir.com and Memeorandum, for the latest news concerning the Democrats’ threat to suspend ABC’s broadcasting license because they can’t stand the truth being broadcast about the Clinton administration’s abysmal record on fighting terror.

You want a fight, Democrats? You’ve GOT it.

40 Responses to "Friday open thread"

Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 9:08 am

This is fascism.

This is what you get with big government. Socialism, fascism, government out of control, etc.

Maybe I should change my centrism to libertarianism. We do need a big shift in government to the tune of an 80% cut in government as the libertarians want. And if Republicans don’t get the spine to stand against this facism I’ll be highly dissappointed.

If Democrats “disagree” with a point of view then they should state it. Unfortunately lately a disagreement lately turns into strongarming people to state things the way they see them.
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 9:17 am

This facism may succeed.
tommy in nyc says:

September 8, 2006 at 9:47 am

long time since I’ve posted on the site so just to start off I just want to say what’s up dudes………….. Clearly a G.O.P. hack is pushing this propoganda on national T.V. which ticks me off because 2 friends of mine were killed by these low-life Islamic terrorists. The bottom line line is that 9/11 was a tragic day and the blame for what happened that day should be directly placed on the savages who commited that cowardly act. I’m pretty sick and tired of playing politics on this event . We are all Americans let’s not forget that. BTW Sistertoldjah is an attractive lady Damn shame she’s a right-winger
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:00 am

Clearly you haven’t done your research again. There have been liberals involved in the production of this film and they at ABC are ‘surprised’ yes “surprised” at the facism coming out of the Democrat leadership.

Have you seen the film Tommy? No.

According to reviews by those who have the blame IS on the terrorists. The terrorists look evil and both administrations do not do the due diligence necessary to stop 9/11 and / or connect the dots.

Lack of due diligence is true.

The terrorists being to blame is true.

Stick to the facts and you’ll get further with convincing people.
Phil says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:13 am

tommy in nyc

The blame for this is going to go where it belongs, on both the Islamofacists and the Clinton Administration. Period.
Lorica says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:15 am

I love it. The wahhh baby childishness of the Dem party is in full view. Liar liar pants on fire…. we are going to pull your broadcast license. HA!!! What abunch of baby sissies. – Lorica
Lorica says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:16 am

Actually Tommy, It is AWESOME SHE IS A RIGHT WINGER. – Lorica
tommy in nyc says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:36 am

Look Lorica and Baklava the dude who directed and wrote this ” documentery” is a right-wing hack who is basically smearing the Clinton Adminstrations foreign policy so first off just as I don’t watch Al-Jazeera I simply won’t waste my time listening to this garbage but hopefullt all of youse are having success in your personal and professional lives…………I disagree with youse folks politically but no one here in the blogosphere has harmed me personally and I haven’t harmed harmed anybody either. It’s just a difference of opinion. Also Lorica left wing ladies are kinkier IMHO.
Sister Toldjah says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:43 am

Get real, Tommy. The executive producer of the P2911 is a Democrat.
Severian says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:48 am

Also Lorica left wing ladies are kinkier IMHO

heh…how would you know, right wing ladies don’t hang out with liberals…they save all their, er, “charms” for us conservative guys, which is probably why conservatives are so much happier and more optimistic than liberals.
Severian says:

September 8, 2006 at 10:51 am

Get real, Tommy. The executive producer of the P2911 is a Democrat.

A Democrat who, even now, is experiencing that wonderful feeling of being mugged by reality as he becomes the focus of the same ignorant, intolerant, lying, scheming, hate filled liberal/Democrat attention that he previously contributed to when it was pointed at the Republicans. He’s finding out just how wonderfully tolerant and peaceful and nice lib/Dems really are all because he decided to produce an accurate presentation of the faults of Bubba’s administration. The main question is, would this all be as vicious if Hillary wasn’t in the hunt for the Oval Office?
Severian says:

September 8, 2006 at 11:01 am

Here’s your question for the day. What prominent politician had this to say about censorship???

America has always been stronger when we have not only proclaimed free speech, but listened to it. Yes, in every war, there have been those who demand suppression and silencing. And although no one is being jailed today for speaking out against the war in Iraq, the spirit of intolerance for dissent has risen steadily, and the habit of labeling dissenters as unpatriotic has become the common currency of the politicians currently running our country.

Dismissing dissent is not only wrong, but dangerous when America’s leadership is unwilling to admit mistakes, unwilling to engage in honest discussion of the nation’s direction, and unwilling to hold itself accountable for the consequences of decisions made without genuine disclosure, or genuine debate.

Answer, John Kerry, speaking about Republicans. Think he’ll have as much to say about the Dems trying to spike this by threatening government censorship/action against ABC’s broadcast license? I guess he was against censorship before he was for it.
Karl says:

September 8, 2006 at 11:01 am

Methinks they protest too much
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 11:26 am

Tommy almost convinced me with his statement, “who is basically smearing the Clinton Adminstrations foreign policy”

You are almost there Tommy. TO help get me to your side, I have some questions:
1) How much of the 5 hour movie is false
2) List 3 things that are in error and why

One more thing is necessary to get me to your side. Tell me how the Democrat leaders threatening ABC’s free speech by threatening to pull their license is not facism and big government run amok.

OK. One more thing. Did you renounce your civil liberties stand from a few months ago?
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 11:32 am

Since this is an open thread:

Armitage says he didn’t come forward because “the special counsel, once he was appointed, asked me not to discuss this and I honored his request.”

“I thought every day about how I’d screwed up,” he adds.

Armitage never did tell the president, but he’s talking now because Fitzgerald told him he could.

What in the heck???????????

Can we say Fitzgerald has perpetrated a witchunt here?

Fitzgerald’s tactics are suspect.
benning says:

September 8, 2006 at 11:43 am

I posted “Common Sense And War” after I read Michael Medved’s piece at Townhall.com. The folly of ‘proportional response”. I’ve also posted my 9/11 tribute as a part of the 2,996 movement.

Fly those flags on Monday!
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 11:59 am

Mark Steyn’s take on Hugh Hewitt’s show:

[ABC} supposedly spent years working on it to get it absolutely right, to get the absolute truth, and then they’re frantically staying up late the night before it broadcasts snipping out ten minutes here and there, because Bill Clinton and Sandy Berger and various other Clintton apparatchiks object to this or that line here and there. I mean, that makes them look pathetic, it makes ABC, I think, look ridiculous, in fact, because there’s hundreds of these tapes out there. People are going to know exactly what lines were cut and what weren’t cut, and I don’t even think it works for the Democratic Party, because it reminds people that in fact, when…if you’re of a conspiratorial bent about 9/11, and a lot of people are, the only guy who’s actually been discovered to be destroying evidence is old Sandy Pants himself, Sandy Berger.
G Monster says:

September 8, 2006 at 12:18 pm

“Let ABC show thier movie in it’s original format, freedom of speech isn’t just for Michael Moore.”
Jim M says:

September 8, 2006 at 12:36 pm

Hey Tommy can you say “Fahrenheit 9/11” Michael Moore’s so called Documentary that movie (Lies and Myths) was cheered and touted as the truth by Liberals. And if I am not mistaken “Fahfrenhype 9/11” was released just before the 2004 elections. This ABC docudrama used the findings of the 9/11 commission plus interviews with people that were there. Even Dick Morris says the Clinton Administration’s attacks on the new ABC 9/11 movie are outrageous. He says Bill Clinton did in fact prevent the capture of Bin Laden on a number of occasions and the 9/11 Commission repot backs that up.
Tommy says:

September 8, 2006 at 12:40 pm

Isn’t this just a movie, not a documentary? Isn’t that why ABC has a disclaimer for it? So…why should people one, get all upset about it, or two, buy so heartily into it? Ohhhhh…it may go against Clinton, therefore from the bulk of this site, it must be true!

Wouldn’t you guys agree that 9/11 wasn’t just a Clinton F-up? There were at least three presidential administrations that could have done something, either directly or indirectly, and didn’t or didn’t do enough in addition to Clinton. If 9/11 is Clinton’s fault, does that make the first WTC bombing Bush I’s fault? But then, there was Reagan deciding who was a good terrorist and who was a bad terrorist. Good terrorists fought the Russians in Afghanistan. Bad terrorists were in Libya.
Tommy says:

September 8, 2006 at 12:51 pm

Dick Morris…the highly discredited opportunistic blowhard…is not exactly someone I would cite. Toe-sucking affair artist who allows his mistress to listen in on phone calls with the President of the United States isn’t exactly a beacon of light. Sure, Clinton isn’t either, but come on. Though his statements from that “news source” NewsMax was interesting. Especially the impeachment proceedings distracting him. More wasted tax dollars there.
Sister Toldjah says:

September 8, 2006 at 12:53 pm

Tommy (capital T Tommy): Do you stand for anything? Or are you really that comfortable wallowing in the murky sea of moral relativism?
Tommy says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:01 pm

Wow, that was a clever sentence. Of course I stand for many things. I just find it odd that anyone who pays attention to news like the bulk of people here would put much credence into what someone says because it happens to agree with what they have to say. I don’t like Al Franken anymore than I like Rush Limbaugh. Both are useless. Though, Franken was on SNL during its heyday so that’s something, I suppose.

Call me a disillusioned liberal. But instead of jumping for joy to the right because that is the only two sides of an argument to some people, I waver. I’m not always liberal, I’m not always conservative. But I am always tired of the same old crap.
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:07 pm

Tommy with incredible vocabulary (continuing his past pattern) says, “Wouldn’t you guys agree that 9/11 wasn’t just a Clinton F-up?”

Who said it was just a Clinton mess up? Not the film. Not Rush. Not ST. Not the film. Not me. Not anyone I know. A question with a false premise as an insinuation is great isn’t it.

As for your 12:51 post you get on a guy for something kinky yet you a few posts ago talk about how you like liberal women because they are kinky. You continue your long established pattern of attacking and asking questions with false premises and not having facts straight. It is ok to have an opinion but you aren’t stating any as ST asked, “Do you stand for anything?”

I am for the civil rights of women who are being attacked. It was a civil rights case that was being brought against Clinton. It wasn’t about his “consensual” (sexual harrassment laws say suboordinates are off limits no matter how consensual) relations with Monica, it was about perjury to avoid a pattern being established during a civil rights trial. Almost everytime you come here you bring this subject up. You seem obsessed with it yet ignore simple facts.

Let it go. What happened happened. He did what he did and Republicans did what they did. It’s all a part of history. POST 9/11 what matters is telling the story so that history doesn’t repeat itself, recognizing the Global War on Terror is a necessary war, allowing the president to have the tools necessary to wage the war on every front not just militarily, and even asking the president to do more is necessary.

If you don’t like the history there is no need to try to re-write it, censor it, not allow others to speak about it, or remove licenses from ABC. That’s facism. Are you for facism?
Tommy says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:17 pm

There are two different Tommy’s, I hope you realize. No, you don’t realize that…though, it’s fairly obvious. Your leader got it at least. The Clinton thing wasn’t about pergury and the more conservatives like to pretend it was makes me laugh. It was a witch hunt based on a BJ. Tis about it. How is that obvious? Read the questions that Kenneth Starr asks. He didn’t about the lying. If he did, the cigar wouldn’t have ever come up. He was trying to nail Clinton to a cross because he was a bad husband.

Post 9/11 is what matters. I’m just not convinced Bush and the government know what the hell they are doing. To me, they were clueless about Iraq. Any study of Iraq will show a country that has been invaded several times since the dawn of time. They aren’t going to throw flowers at our soldiers like we were liberating Holland in WWII. That doesn’t make any sense. That…was a signal to me even before the war that this administration either was flat-out lying to win over people or really had no idea what it was doing.

When have I ever said the film shouldn’t be shown? But, this isn’t history. This is a film. My problem is…people are throwing too much credence to an ABC film. The problem with films over documentaries (and no, I’m not talking about Michael Moore) is that they aren’t evenly-made or evenly-viewed. This isn’t history. That’s really my only point on the film.
Sister Toldjah says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:18 pm

Tommy, I’m not the ‘leader’ of anyone at this blog.
G Monster says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:22 pm

“Let ABC show thier movie in it’s original format, freedom of speech isn’t just for Michael Moore.”

This situation reminds me of the bad news bears in the Houston Astrodome. They were going to shorten the game because the game was taking to long. I believe Tanner was the kid that wouldn’t get off the field.

Eventually the crowd starting chanting…

“Let them play. Let them play. Let them play.”

Well, I am going to be Tanner. And I will be posting and emailing everywhere.

Who is with me?
Tommy says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:22 pm

Oh, come on, that’s not true at all. You provide the communication format, you start the focus of the comments, you are in charge. That’s a leader.

By the way, in my haste to get things done at work, I forgot the word “care” in my previous post. In the sense of “He didn’t care about the lying.”
Lorica says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:25 pm

Actually Tommy us on the right are only reacting to the outrageous lunacy of the left when it comes to this movie. I said this before, when this was just being advertised, I was not even thinking about watching it. Until all this hooplah started from the Clinton adminstration cronies. Hell it is the way they are handling this “movie” that makes me think it is closer to the truth than they want us to know, not a single other thing.

I also noticed how you have 2 points but are only expound upon the one that expresses an opinion toward those of us on the right. But somehow we aren’t suppose to believe you are not biased.

Also Reagan masterfully used Afghanistan to defeat the Russians. Which was one of the reasons that the Soviet Union fell. It was Clinton who allowed Afghanistan to become a safe haven for terrorists. So how you justify that comment is beyond me.

Lastly, Telling someone that something is Ronald Reagan’s fault, just ain’t gonna win you all elections. – Lorica
Sister Toldjah says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:31 pm

Don’t play games. I know what you meant. The people who post here don’t need a ‘leader’.
Lorica says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:31 pm

tommy in NYC:

I don’t want kinkier, there is no challenge in that, makes a woman disposable. I want to please the same woman in all aspects of her life, for as long as she will be my wife. Talk about a challenge. And to have a woman as wonderful and charming and beautiful and gracious and intelligent and spirited and courageous, and ….. did I say beautiful…. as our wonderful, lovely, beautiful, charming, intelligent hostess is would be heaven on earth. IMHO – Lorica
Baklava says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:38 pm

Brownie points go to Lorica. Make that 1,000 of them.
Jim M says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:50 pm

Sister T,
Tommy is equating us with the Liberal myrmidons that get their talking points and then go out blindly without thinking and start spouting their garbage.
Severian says:

September 8, 2006 at 1:54 pm

Don’t play games. I know what you meant. The people who post here don’t need a â€˜leader’.

Tommy is just like most liberals ST. If they don’t have a leader to spoon feed them what to believe and what to think and what exactly to say, they become mute and confused. As is obvious from Tommy’s posts, he believes that everyone acts just like the liberals, has the same cynical disregard for ethics and morality, and marches lockstep like lemmings at our master’s command. Liberals always make the mistake of projecting their shortcomings on others.
sanity says:

September 8, 2006 at 3:29 pm

It’s called DEBATE and DISCUSSION tommy.

ST posts topics she thinks are interesting, and that we might find interest in discussing. She gives her opinion, and opens it up for discussion.

That hardly says she is a leader of the blog.

She is the owner, she posts things of interest and we discuss them. BIG difference.
forest hunter says:

September 8, 2006 at 8:40 pm

“…By the way, in my haste to get things done at work, I forgot the word “care”…”

Is haste what made you forget about care or the things you care about that caused your haste? The old adage of haste and waste come to mind Tommy.

Do not pretend to understand things about the dynamics of this site or those who post comments here and then make WAA (Wild Ass Assumptions) over things you’re clearly not privy to, in act oblivious of. Take the time to find out the facts before you change feet. It’ll be worth the time spent and you have a better chance of being understood and known as someone capable of being logical.

Condescending rancor does not lead anywhere you really want to go.
Great White Rat says:

September 9, 2006 at 12:18 am

Tommy spews out another DNC talking point, right on cue:

Post 9/11 is what matters.

Sure. Ignore what led up to it, namely about a decade of ignoring the islamic terrorists targeting anyone who doesn’t succumb meekly. Unfortunately for you, Clinton was in office for most of that time. You’d love to whitewash his share of the responsibility for 9/11. That might play on the BDS-infested sites of the left, but not here. As you can see, the regular commenters here WILL look at all the evidence.

Here’s a bit of wisdom from George Santayana: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. It’s important to know the failures that led to 9/11 so that we do not repeat them. Even if sweeping the information under the rug would be better for Billy Jeff’s self-esteem.

By the way…even though this ABC piece reportedly hits both the Clinton and Bush administrations for their failure to act, have you noticed which side is screaming for censorship? Haven’t heard one administration official demand changes, or threaten to suspend ABC’s license unless they make Bush look good. Funny how the left has this big problem with the whole free speech idea.

But we covered that about days ago, didn’t we? That was when Tommy never could answer the question of why he found it an appealing idea to threaten legal action and violence against people who disagree. Seems like he still can’t.
Baklava says:

September 9, 2006 at 12:37 am

ST, BYU prof put on paid leave.

In the article it says:
The State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones’ theory in a 10-thousand page report.
Big Bang Hunter says:

September 9, 2006 at 1:29 am

– I have no idea why anyone even gives these conspiracy nutbags the time of day. They never listen to the facts, or bother with proof, it’s all about just another way to demonize Bush and the administration. That’s been the one trick pony sheme of the Left for the last 6 years, non-stop. Idiots. Partisan America hating idiots.

– Bang
Marshall Art says:

September 9, 2006 at 3:55 am

“Tommy, I’m not the â€˜leader’ of anyone at this blog.”

However, if I saw ya walkin’, I’d foller. But that’s just me.

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