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Newsweek: Bad Luck That Bush Won In 2000
I swear, the pomposity of these clowns over at Newsweek just boggles my mind at times:
Was there any more mind-boggling bit of historic bad luck than what happened after Election Day 2000, when those 537 votes in Florida wobbled, then stayed in George W. Bush’s column? Never mind what kind of president Al Gore would have been—he would have been adequate, I suppose, but so would have most Republicans—it is hard now to avoid the conclusion that Bush was precisely the wrong man at the wrong time. Perhaps Bush would have been OK fighting another kind of war, a Jacksonian Battle of New Orleans-type war. But at a moment in history when we faced the most subtle sort of global threat, when we needed not just a willingness to use military force but a leader of real brilliance—someone who would carefully study a little-understood enemy—we got a man who actually took pride in his lack of studiousness. No surprise: Bush never once presided over a grand-strategy session to divine the nature of Al Qaeda, and he ended up lumping Saddam and every Islamist insurgent and terrorist group with Osama bin Laden. He ensured that a tiny fringe group that had been hounded into Afghanistan with no place left to go—one that could have been wiped out had we focused on the task at hand—would spread worldwide and become a generational Islamist threat.
And at a time when we needed a world leader who understood the nuances of burden-sharing in the international system, we got a president who so badly wanted to be a cowboy and not his father (offending even some Texans: “all hat and no cattle” is the term they use down there) that he proudly declared he doesn’t “do nuance.” Bush stomped around huffily in his first term, talking loudly and carrying a big stick, in the process all but trashing a half century of carefully nurtured American prestige. No surprise: he alienated a world we desperately needed on our side, thus leaving America alone with all the burden and generations’ worth of bills to pay. Now we face two serious rising threats, North Korea and Iran. And having squandered our attention, resources and prestige on a trumped-up threat, Iraq, we are simply too weak and friendless to confront them as they should be. That’s what I call bad luck.
So, we’re just so “unlucky” to have George W. Bush at this moment in our history. Poor America. What a tragedy…
Puh-lease.
I’ve said many times in the past that things happen for a reason. I’m a big believer in fate, destiny, providence…whatever you want to call it. I firmly believe that things happen for a reason and people are born to be at a certain place, at a certain time, doing certain things that only they can do. My favorite saying (borrowing from Jurassic Park a little) is that “history will find a way”, meaning that providence will always find the right person at the right time for the right job.
For example, back in the 1930s, Winston Churchill was nearly killed by an automobile during a visit to the United States. By all accounts, he should have died. But he still had an important role to play, and I firmly believe he was spared for reason.
Just as it was no accident that Churchill survived and went on to become Prime Minister of Great Britain and fought Hitler, I don’t believe for a second that it was “bad luck” or an “accident” that George W. Bush is our President at this moment in history.
But to the left in this country, the election of George W. Bush was the worst thing (next to global warming) that could possibly happen to this country, and they still haven’t gotten over the fact that the robot Al Gore lost in 2000 and that Lurch John Kerry couldn’t beat him, either.
Update: I said this in the comments, but I think it bears repeating up here:
I said “things happen for a reason”. We may not know what that “reason” is at the moment, but given time, we will. I trust in the Almighty to do the right thing by mankind.
And I’m fully aware that the same things could be said of Hitler, too. He was nearly killed during WWI and at least once in WWII. Yes, it would have been better had that happened, but God, I believe, does things for a reason.
Now, why he would have a man like Hitler rise to power, I’m not sure. Maybe it was to teach us a lesson about absolute power, or that there is pure evil in the world. Maybe it was to teach us the lesson that we can stop evil before it starts (a lesson not learned in time to stop Hitler).
One of my favorite quotes from any movie is in “Oh, God”, with John Denver and George Burns. Denver asks “God” how he can allow all the suffering and misery in the world, and “God” replies “I don’t allow it. YOU do.”
Brian runs the website Iowa Voice, and is filling in for ST for a few days.
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Well, gil.
I was working as a civilian contractor. I was based in Taji, Iraq about 26 miles north of Baghdad and I worked alongside U.S. soldiers traveling the area working with Iraqi cops.
My “Garbage” is backed by facts. You people really don’t like facts right?
Again, please provide links to your “facts” so I can view them. Thanks.
You think you are the only one that served in the military ?
I wasn’t in the military, but between the two of us, I’m the only one that was actually THERE, wasn’t I?
RE: NC Cop.
You were in Iraq. Good for you!! And your solution to get us out?
I mean beeing there can give you a better insight than mine…. You know I have heard of a Bunch of Generals that not only were in Iraq like you, but commanded troops in Iraq. And guess what?
They believe Iraq is a mess…. You want Google site for reference too?
Plese provide us with facts.. Glad to. What facts do you want me to provide you with?
Security Council resolution 1442….. Go to google and …. ask for Security Council Resolution 1441 and 1442….That is the way it works.
In this day and age there is no excuse to ignorance. I you were there then please tell me where am I wrong in my Al-Malaki observations: He is backed by the Sadr militias… Please explain to me how is he going to disarm the militia that is backing him…. And if you can’t disarm the militias how do you expect “victory”?
But maibe I need to be in Iraq to some how see the light…. Or maibe I, like millions of people have enough IQ to see a problem when a problem is there… NO need to be on top of the problem you know…. Or if that is the case then we should send Mr. Bush to Iraq to live PERMANENTLY THERE…. Maibe he can come out with a real solution to the mess he created.
RE: Great White Rat.
So you want to go after the militias now. Answer we can’t. Not enough troops.
The Iraqi Army is 350,000 strong and they will not disarm them.
Now that is reality. But Hey, we can always make suggestions like Let OUR Army disarm the militias… Not realistic I am sorry to say, and IT WILL NOT HAPPEN… and furthermore is not the Army’s job to go around now desarming Militias for al-Malaki…. I tough this was their country… You take our Army for some kind of Permanent Overseers of Hard Luck Cases, or Adult supervisors in Perpetuity? Don’t the Iraqi have 350,000 troops paid by us? I want to get my money’s worth. Why do you keep on putting al the respnsibility on our Army?
You gave me specifics? Please name some. When you made that statement you had your chance to name them… You did not. as usual you claim specifics, but the specifics mysteriously are never there!!
As for mine … Get your G.E.D. and reading for Dummies… Security Council Resolution 1442 I believe is rather specific… Al-Malki relation to the Magdta Al Sadr militias the Mahdi Army is specific enough, and I can go on but …. Where are yours again???
It was Carter problem that Ayatholla Komeni took over Iran? You need a History Course my friend. Today Iran is rulled by another Ayatholla…. Carter’s problem also?… Or can it be that Iranians tend to go with the Ayathollas?… There is a Democracy in Iran you kow… And the Ayathollas behind the curtain with the real power…. But is Carter’s problem that the Iranians went against the rule of a Dictator dressed as a king (Ressa Paleby)… sounds familiar you know like Saddam? and took him out… That darn Carter!!! What do you propose he should have done with this “backing” thing of yours? … Invade Iran?
If Iran is getting Nuclear Weapons on Bush’s watch who’s responsibility should it be? Carters still? You people are just amusing!! I do not want us to invade. Like I said you need to learn how to read. I posted the following ” If we are to go attacking countries that pose a real or imagined treat to us (In reference to Iran, North Korea etc)I don’t have to tell you that it would be countrproductive to our National interst”…So where in hell are you getting that I want to attack Iran as my solution?… As for what Bush needs to do in Iran…. There is not a darn thing he can do now!!… That is my point. He invaded the wrong country … The one that did not have WMD’s !! And now we have no troops left to start a piss off fight with Bolivia let alone with Iran.
Don’t hide on the troops to avoind confronting the facts … Turns into I call the troops stupid? Like I said… G.E.D Reading and comprehension … And I promise I go with the spelling.
gil – you’re a typical post-modern reductionist idiot. How old were you when the whole Carter disaster occured?. Not very I’m guessing. Carter was a total pacifistic jackass. The Iranian thugs played him like a violin. 1 hour after Reagan was inaugurated the embassy was freed. think about that. I know you can.
- The rest of your screeds are right out of some Marxist poly-sci prof’s mouth. Almost everything you’ve posted has been thouroughly debunked here many times over. Most of us have neither the time or inclination to walk you through your SecProgg memes to show you the nonsense of your idea’s.
- I know it’s fun and fashionable right now, to demonize and bash america, and Bush at ever opportunity. you don’t have to think for yourself that way.
- We’re not impressed. Try shortening your posts to less than a chapter, and maybe we’ll be more willing to spank you debate wise. Otherwise to the rest of the regulars here, remember the rules. You catch them, you feed them.
- Bang
RE: NC Cop.
Sanctions never work Mr. NC Cop. What works is what we were doing. If you go back you will see that we were actively confronting Saddam in the border with Kurdistan. For ten years (Or am I wrong?) Saddam was contained. That is a fact period. I don’t have to argue the obvious.
If 500,000 children were dead or dying… I have to ask you to invade the Sudan, or the Congo today… Because guess what…. 500,000 children are dead and dying today…
In North Korea there is hunger and millions are at risk… Do we invade also? Do you think I like dead any more than you do? I just think I know the limits of our power better than you do that’s all. In Bosnia Clinton was attacked by Republicans for going in to save people from cleansing… so please don’t give me the guilty trip.
The fact is that Bush Sr. had the chance to take out Saddamand he did not do it. Why … You see now why.
“If we did not have any choice than to invade in Iraq, why do we seem to find other choices with Iran, and North Korea” No the choices did not work…. But we can’t afford to attack the one country that did not have WMD’s either… That’s stupid OK. You see that choice working?… Will you recomend we invade North Korea, and Iran because the “choices did not work”. With that remark I was trying to make you understand that some times you just have to live with bad choices. It does not mean that you go bananas and start attacking every country that can have WMD’s …Specialy if you have inspectors on the grownd doing exactly what you wanted them to do… Find WMD’s. That inspectors were on the grownd when Bush decided to attack that is a historic fact that contradicts any Bull Shit notion that we some how had no choice but to attack Iraq.
In you link you provide with evidence of a long patern of Saddam’s defiance of U.N. resolutions: You do know however that there is an equaly long pattern of defiance to UN resolutions from North Korea, and Iran… so what gives? Again why Iraq?
What about my point (You also ignored it) of Security resolution 1442?
“Intelligence agencies from around the world tought Saddam had WMD’s”. They also believed that the treat was contained, and not granted an invasion. Hell, even Clinton tought there were WMD’s!!No one but Bush started a war on the grownds of WMD’s. Bush was warned and forwarned of the consecuences (I am again repeating this because you people continue to ignore it) by every expert in the field, by his own Generals, by the Arab Leage, by Iraq’s neighbors, by Bush’s Sr. advisors of the mistake he was about to make, and the terrible consequences to come… He dissmised them as appeasers. The U.N. did not give Bush the green light to invade.
WMD’s inspectors were trown out of the country because Saddam was bluffing. How can you possibly believe that Saddam had WMD’s but did not use them when invaded? What do you think he was keeping them for… A rainy day? Please people at least make sence!!
I can’t name a country that has done all the things Saddam has done… Last I checked (Please re-visit your history) we invaded Iraq because he was an immediate treat to our National Security.. Period.
On that fact alone Iran, and North Korea qualify. On the terrosit treat they qualify, on the WMD’s proliferation they qualify….You are splitting hairs here my friend… Please stop.
What’s next?… We invaded Iraq because Saddam was the one that started the war in the Gulf…. Yes, that’s going to be a tough one for North Korea… They are kind of far from the Middle East to do the same thing you know… But sanctions, WMD’s real in this case, terrorist links real in this case, strong Nuclear programs real in this case…. And we don’t invade!! But Saddam had done all these things exept he was no treat to us but we invade… Now that’s what I call brilliant strategic thinking!!
You need to understand that we will have to live in a world that will have WMD’s in the hands of bad people. We already have … The Soviet Union (in it’s day) , China, Pakistan to name a few. Our defense has to be the example of our Democracy, and real leadership not invasions. Our defense has to be our strong Army and our own superior WMD’s.
It worked with foes 1,000 more dangerous like the Soviet Union, so why are we going to be affraid of an Idiot like the North Korean leader? or a nuclear Iran?
There is nothing we can do now to stop them and that is the reality. If you know how I am all ears. With Iran we had a chance, but Bush mess in Iraq is not going to allow us to do anithing now.
RE: Big Bag Hunter
Hey Bug Bang Ass Hole
Go F Yourself..
You want to start an argument learn to talk like a normal man.
The fact is that Bush Sr. had the chance to take out Saddamand he did not do it. Why … You see now why.
- simple direct answer. He caved to all the caterwalling from the Dembulbs and their NeoLiberal pacifist, and he was forever sorry he did, because it just forestalled the enevitable, and made things that much harder later on. the lesson you on the Left just seem incapable of learning. You can’t negotiate with Madmen. You can’t forestall the conflict forever. You just make things worse by cutting and running. Where have we heard that screed recently?
- Bang
RE: Big Bag Hunter
Was that short enough for you?
sometimes a#@holes like you believe that they are man because they can talk loud….
[edited for language by Brian]
- Ahhh. The tolorant numbskull Liberal shows his “intelligent side”. That the best you’ve got little boy? I eat numbskulls like you for breakfast. Try focusing here, if it’s possible for you. I just dropped a couple of your screeds on your head. What’s your response, or is ad homonins all you’ve got Junior.
- Bang
RE: Big Bag Hunter.
Bush Sr. caved in to the Neoliberals pacifists and dembulbs…. Last I checked that included Chenney, and Rummy they were in his cabinet… not to mention Powell.
No one was negociating with Saddam. Bush Sr. did not even talk to the man.
Can’t negociate with mad man? And in North Korea what?
and in Iran what?
We invade them?
RE: Big Bad Hunter.
You eat brekfast?
Pall…. I doubt you even have a kitchen.
You have me all scred here!! Please stop !! OH I can take it any more!!!
- Well we could try what slick Willey did, try sending Maggy over there with another basketball…. think that might work?
- Let me give you a clue. You’re not debating one of your fellow wet-behind-the-ears young turk’s. So the throw-away easy crap won’t work. But you’re welcome to try.
- Bang
Big Bug
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Need to stop drinking…. Mommy maight get mad at you.
This is the nut case time
I am not debating you. I am responding to your insults. But, I get tired of this s#@t fast so talk to yourself… I am shure you do it all the time anyway.
- Sure enough. You Dimbulbs are all alike. Cut and run the instant you have to go one screed deeper than this weeks talking points. Okay Little boy. You got off the speschul bus quite awhile back when you decided to let others do your thinking for you. Immature and lazy. That’s a winning formula, just like the rest of your cult’s empty wagon of no idea’s. You’re not serious, or important. you bring nothing to the party, except to annoy everyone with your constant carping, and ankle biting. The party of “no”…. *chuckle*
- Bang
Bush was indeed put here for a purpose. The era of American ascendency is over and divine providence put him here to speed the process, under the ironic auspices of The Project for a New American Century. The dream that the power of the US could be a force for good in world has been laid to rest once and for all. Nothing really changes. Power only serves itself. Empires come and empires go, only now it doesn’t take a thousand years.
Gil wrote, “You want power at all cost, and I don’t .”
You don’t know what I want. You don’t speak for me you only speak for yourself.
GWR, I like your stile (sic), if you know what I meen (sic).
Bang wrote, “Almost everything you’ve posted has been thouroughly debunked here many times over.”
That’s if there was reading comprehension involved. If not then there was nothing debunked and he goes on in his merry little one note way playing it over and over again… At this rate he’ll go on for another 3+ years about how he disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq. He’ll never get over the fact that the decision was made. We did it. Now he provides aid and comfort to the enemy with his one note song….and name calling..
In conclusion: I’ve never talked about anyones spelling but if I were to count the amount of spelling errors on this page alone by gil, it’d have to be more than my 10 year old daughter’s spelling errors on all of this year’s reports combined.
Randy – Just to pamper your use of the word in the pejoritive for the moment. If it were not for that “power” that you seem so contemptuous of, where would you be right at this moment? Would you even be?
- Simple enough question. I have a legitimate reason for asking. BTW, when some jackass doesn’t start off right out of the box trying to regile me with a few chapters from “Henry’s's history of the world – part duex”, I can be a very friendly guy.
- Bang
“regale”….sorry Bak….I know poor spelling drives you nutz….
- Bang
Man-o-man….guess I fumagated the place again…..
- I thought it was interesting that the “book writer” didn’t know who “Maggie” was, or why basketballs played a big part in slick Willey’s diplomacy protocals….. I guess that wasn’t required reading….Wouldn’t fit the “Clinton as a G_d” mythos….*Heh*
- Bang
In conclusion: I’ve never talked about anyones spelling but if I were to count the amount of spelling errors on this page alone by gil, it’d have to be more than my 10 year old daughter’s spelling errors on all of this year’s reports combined.
Bak,
That was my thought exactly. I’ve never done that before either, since often it’s nothing more than a typo. But when someone who couldn’t hold his own against your 10-year old in school passes himself off as some sort of geopolitical expert, I’m going to call him on it.
Man-o-man….guess I fumagated the place again…..
Bang,
Yep. He went from rating about “right wing nuts” to “I’m a conservative” to tossing f-bombs at you in the space of one thread. Talk about shifting paradigms without a clutch…
My guess is that mommy finally unplugged the computer.
RE: Bakalavashitass, Great Pink Rat, and my favorite one… The Big Bug Fag.
Baklava…What not angry if they insult me? Only the dumb rat …. I am jealous!! After 2 AM you show your true colors … You are just a double standard jerk
That just goes to show how full of shit you are. If you are against loud mouths what in hell are you doing talking to the Big Bug Imbecil in this blog….. I don’t know how to spell…. The Big Bug Ass Hole can’t say anithing coherent just like Bush… But no problem with you. You people support a President that has an entire industry of “Bushisms” going, and you have a problem with my spelling!!! Hypocrits.
You are all a bunch of idiot loosers that spend an entire night talking to yourselves because no one in this world will talk to imbeciles like you…..You got your collective asses trashed by me and you can’t take it that’s all there is to it. Hell, at 4 AM in the morning you were still in shock!! What ? Some one actually gave you some facts and you people had a nervous brake down?
You are Republican Right Wingers?
The Right left you behind a long time ago. You are just to stupid to realise it
Is that spelled clearly enough for you?
Today, another of the leading conservatives a war proponents Richard Perle came out saying that “Disfunction whitin the Bush administration has turned U.S. policy there into a disaster”. He is just the latest Conservative to tell it like it is. George Will, Robert Novak, O’railly, Baker, Bucanan, and a long list of other have been for some time now saying the same thing.
Monday November 6th. the Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Times, Air Force Times will call for Rummy’s resignation.
I suppose all these people and publication are doing waht they are doing because the war is going great right? No. In your delusional world, they are doing it because they are a bunch of Leftist idiots.
Big Bug Fag…. Cut and Run me? You got the wrong guy … I just go to sleep… You on the other hand have no life… Other than Bull SHit all night, with your fellow Psychos Bakalavashit, and the Dumb ass rat. Not much of a sex life for you guys either right? Understendable, very understendable.
Take your anti-Psychotic pills and go to sleep. Tomorrow Iraq will still be a mess… And you still will be a bunch of idiots.
It is actually “life will find a way”, not “history will find a way”.
You should pay more attention to the movies you watch
Brian, gil hasn’t read the comment policy.
gil hasn’t read the comment policy
Or the label on his medication, apparently….
RE: Baklava.
Apparently you have not either.
Who started the all out insults?
…. Brian Big Bad Hunter hasn’t read the comment policy… Is that more like fair to you now? or do we continue with the hypocrisy?
By the way since you are still awake go to any of the net publications… Check out the Richard Perle and the Army Times family of publications see all the “Idiots” that feel it, and see it my way.
Sample: Richard Perle a leading proponent of the Iraq war that chaired the most important committee of Pentagon policy of advisers early in the Buss administration; said that “Had he seen at the start of the war in 2003 where it would go, he probably would not have advocated an invasion to depose Saddam. “I probably would have said ; Let’s consider some of the other strategies for dealing with the thing that concers us most. Saddam supplying WMD’s to terrorists” And he goes on with his many problems of the conduct of this war.
SAMPLE: The Military Times Media Group otherwise called “The Bible of the Armed Forces” because its wide acceptance among the military said Friday that it will call for Rumsfeld resignation this Monday 6th.
The Military Times Media Group edditorial to be published next Monday in all four publications (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force) says active duty leaders are now begining to voice misgivings about the war’s planning, execution, and dimming prospects of success.
“Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. The strategy has failed. Rumsfeld’s ability to continue to lead is compromised, and altough the failure in Iraq rests with the Secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt”
Just know this Beklava… You and your loud mouth palls support an idiot hell bent in killing good man for his ego. If you are wrong take it like a man, admit it and move on. Soldiers should not have to pay for stupidity. They are head and shoulders above anithing Bush ever was and they don’t dierve it.
I wanted a normal conversation… And for a while I had one with you until all hell broke loose…. Sorry you people are like that, and I am sorry I left myself get into a food fight with a retard like Big Bad Hunter.
You continue… You broke a chance at conversation. There is one way to make ammends…
Guys,
Maybe ST will see what gil has commented here and give him/her the banning that is so richly deserved.
That foul, rotten mouth should not be around for long. (At least, I would have not allowed that crap in my blog! No second chances, no mercy!)
Forget it guys, it’s obvious that gil has a childlike understanding of the world. His solution is to be nice to everyone and they will like us.
Grow up, gil. You have provided absolutely NO facts as well as NO links, as I have asked. Either you don’t know how to do it, or you have no links because your arguments are all liberal talking points that you have heard.
Yes, I was in Iraq and it does give me a better insight than you. Your kind of thinking is the reason we have a nuclear N. Korea and Iran with a nuke on the way. Keep thinking that it was all Bush’s fault and that a democratically controlled congress or presidency will solve all the world’s ills.
The childish profanity and name calling has pretty much convinced me that you are a typcial liberal who has no facts to back up any of his arguments. You have a heavy dose of BDS and you need to get some help for it.
I’m relieved that “fate, destiny, providence…whatever you want to call it” will see fit to turn back controll of congress to a party that knows the meaning of checks and balances. If there was ever an administration that needed oversight and scrutiny, it is this one. We should all agree on that.
Blogs like this are the reason religion and politics shouldn’t mix. Brian’s God would allow the Holocaust and WWII to happen “to teach us a lesson about absolute power, or that there is pure evil in the world.” Or “maybe it was to teach us the lesson that we can stop evil before it starts (a lesson not learned in time to stop Hitler).” Maybe that’s why God allowed this Bush presidency. Who’s to know?
RE: gil
Actually from your first post you were “name calling”
Also all your remarks relating to Al Gore are complete fabrications of your delusional mind.
Remember this comment?? It’s in your very first post on this thread. You have done everything you can to be attacked, so that you could turn it upon the other posters and act like the victim.
As to the rest of your post, I do blame Clinton and Bush 41 for the mess we are in with Iraq. Bush 41 should of said screw you, I made a promise to the Kurds and the people of Iraq and I am going to see it thru. When the UN Weapons inspectors were kicked out by Sadamn he was in violation of the UN Surrender agreement and Clinton should of kicked his ass. Also when Sadamn tried to assinate a former US President, that was an act of war done during Clinton’s watch. Instead Sadamn was allowed another 5 years to prepare for this invasion, which he then did EVERYTHING in his power to bring about this war. – Lorica
Next time you proclaim that everything happens for a reason, do it in the pediatric burn ward of a hospital. I’m sure they’ll take great comfort in knowing it.
Sorry, guys…I’m not used to this comment moderation jazz. =D
If something slips through that is offensive, please let me know (email me a brian-AT-iowavoice-DOT-com). I’ll take a look and delete it if I have to. I don’t know how to ban someone, so I’ll have to leave that to ST when she gets back (she says “Hi”, btw).
As to the person who said “LIFE will find a way” and that I don’t know my movie quotes, you have no idea how many movie quotes I DO know. I said I was BORROWING from JP, not quoting it.
And the “burn ward” guy? Nice try at pulling out the “moral authority” card. But who knows? Maybe someone in that ward goes on to discover how to treat people with massive burn trauma, simply because they were burned as a child. Like I said, sometimes you don’t know what the reason is until many, many years later.
Hey Mike,
While I was working in Iraq, I lost both my legs below the knee in an IED attack last December. Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not sitting in a wheelchair by the window staring outside and cursing God. I’m working as hard as I can to make it back to the police department that I worked for before and I fully intend to go back to the same life as I had before.
Do I believe this happened for a reason? You bet. I have a much greater appreciation for life itself and I never take another day for granted. I have gone to support group meetings for amputees and have talked to recent amputees and those who are going to have limbs amputated.
God did not do this to me, evil did. Get that? God gave me my co-workers who saved my life that day. God gave me the family and friends to face this challenge and beat it. God gave me the will to overcome it and go on to help others who may need it.
See how that works?
As to the rest of your post, I do blame Clinton and Bush 41 for the mess we are in with Iraq. Bush 41 should of said screw you, I made a promise to the Kurds and the people of Iraq and I am going to see it thru.
Absolutely Lorica!! I couldn’t have said it better myself. Bush 41 does bear a measure of responsibility for what is going on in Iraq right now, and I don’t have a problem admitting that. Had he followed through then, Iraq might be the stable democracy that we are hoping for. We screwed the Kurds, and the Shiites, big time back then.
Brian, “Like I said, sometimes you don’t know what the reason is until many, many years later. ”
How convenient for you.
NC Cop – God bless you and thank you for serving our country.
RE: NC Cop.
Again so that you can understand it.
The fact… Notice I am calling it a fact even tough you have shown no proof of it … You see unlike some, I can take some one at his word. Now if you can’t accept what I have said about Iraq fine…. But is not because of lack of facts sir… Is because you simply don’t want facts to be in your way. You have your opinion about Iraq and that is fine… But if you think that beeing there gives you a better understanding of it you are wrong (again)…. Let me tell you again why. In this day and age no one can be ignorant of any event because information is there for any one with interest to obtain it… as such we in the states are more informed many times that troops on the wround… Why ? simple.. You are in quarters, you do not have access to information. Your world is confined to your platoon period.
Tell me if one is to follow your reasoning… Why then, are Generals always in the rear? …Answer. Because that’s where the communications are.
I was in the Military…. I don’t call a bunch of the blogers that sent people to war from their Lazy Boys Chicken Hawks…. Why ? Because I don’t consider them cowards if they don’t serve. On the other hand I am called a coward by some like the rat because I don’t agree with your or his views… What a nice bunch of guys!!… I warned him not to go that route.
Stop making remakrs that do not make sense please. I have a normal IQ… When it comes to Iraq that is all you need to understand that Bush made a mess… The kind that is almost imposible to get out.
I notice that I write something…. And you people simply pretend that I did not….. Why is that?
Example…. I am not a Democrat.
I am not a Liberal
My solution was never to be nice to every one… God knows I have not been nice to you, or your “Friends”…. If you can quote me as saying something nice about the enemy… I will stand corrected. Until you do I will politely ask you to refrain from inventing things…. OK?
As for my facts NC Cop… HERE ARE AGAIN SOME FACTS:
And please READ THEM because this is the third time I post them:
FACT. Al- Malaki is backed by Magdta-Al- Sadr.
FACT. Magdta-Al-Sadr is the head of the largest Shiite Militia in Iraq, the Mahdi Army.
FACT. Al-Malaki can’t disarm Sadr for the simple reason that he owes the man his job as Prime Minister.
FACT. U.S. Force can’t disarm Sadr because they don’t have enough forces, and they will risk an all out revelion by the Shiite in the South, and intervention by Iran.
FACT. Al-Malaki’s government is composed by Sunni backed by militias, and Al-Quaida… Shiite backed by several militias not only the Mahdi army, and Kurds that are very much now acting like an independent Nation…..
Now Bush wants to back this “Government” until they can stand up and then we can get out!! This is an insult to the intelligence of any one that has a brain …. OK. Forgive me if a refuse to believe the kind of BS he trows around.
As for the sites that you can go…. I already said go to Google and just ask for wherever you want… You have doubts about my statement about Al-Malaki and Sadr?…. Ask the wuestion Al-Malaki and Magtada Al Sadr. Or composition of Al-Malaki’s Government.
For the most part this is about the second time or third time that I repeat myself…. Are you people speed reading my postings, or simply refusing to understand what I am saying or what is going on?
RE: Lorica.
Did you read Security Council Resolution 1441 and 1442? Maibe you can learn about who started the war and Iraq.. And on what “REAL” grownd OK? Hint. It was not for lack of Weapons Inspectors on the grownd.
About the insults. We can aregue about who started insulting Lorica… I would rather talk about the topic. If we can keep it insult free I am all for it..
Just don’t start calling me a cut and run for not agreeing with Bush …. That to me is a a war starter.
To blame Clinton and Bush Sr for a mess that Bush started is trying to change history. With all due respect, is a clear indication of your absolute lack of knowledge about what you are talking about. Let me ask you:
If Bush Sr. would have gone on to invade Iraq what do you think the consequence would have been? Please take into consideration in you answer the following facts”
1) Do you know that the Arab Leage (They were paying for the war) were in with the condition that we DID NOT GO INTO IRAQ? Is it you idea that Bush Sr. should just brake an agreement with his allies and invade?
What do you take the man for? “Just say Screw you” Really? ….I hope you keep the conversation on the serious side if you want to be taken seriously OK?
2) Bush’s Sr advisors, and Bush Sr himself knew full well of the consecuences of an invasion of Iraq…. That’s why they did not try it. What consecuences you might ask?….. You are seeing them now.
3) Clinton’s fault for Iraq? First of all the assassination attempt you mention, never happened. It was an alleged plot. Clinton was supposed to invade Iraq on an alleged plot? And that is why he is to blame for the mess in Iraq? I am just going to be courteous this time and refrain myself from patronizing any one…. God knows is hard not with remarks like that.
You are entiteled to your opinions… You are not entiteled to create your own reality…. Unless you want to live in a Sanatorium.
Your behavior is still at issue….
gil lies through his teeth on this one:
On the other hand I am called a coward by some like the rat
Never said it..not once. I challenge you to find that anywhere in the thread. But then again, you’ve shown no inclination to back up or source anything else you’ve said here, so why would you change now?
Then he tells us why he’s the fount of all knowledge on Iraq:
we in the states are more informed many times that troops on the wround (sic)… Why ? simple.. You are in quarters, you do not have access to information. Your world is confined to your platoon period.
You directed that insulting comment to NC Cop, who is a bona fide hero. He’s been on the ground in the war zone, he’s seen what happens first hand, he’s talked and worked with the Iraqi people, he’s proven his patriotism in ways you’ll never begin to approach, and you’re going to tell him he doesn’t know what’s going on? Who the hell do you think you are, John Kerry? And WHY is it you think you’re so much smarter than him? Because you lap up the spin from a collection of AP, Reuters, or al Jazeera reporters who never leave the hotel bar in Baghdad, and read and reposted some talking points you picked up on DU or Kos? What complete rot. You’ve sunk to a level where you’re not worth the time or the electrons I’d need to expend for any further response.
But if you think that beeing there gives you a better understanding of it you are wrong (again)….
Right. Both you and Richard Belzer know more about Iraq than the people who were actually there, because you read more newspapers.
I’m done with you, gil. It’s like trying to have a converstation with a small child who has no comprehension of the real world.
Good luck to you.
Noooo I am not insulting are you gil:
is a clear indication of your absolute lack of knowledge about what you are talking about. Let me ask you:
The rest of your post is a waste of time as you are just a lowlife troll who wants to make himself look intelligent. It is odd how you can insult ANYONE you want then play the victim. Ohhh wait no it isn’t it is usual debate tactic of the left. So go argue with yourself as I am done with you. – Lorica
RE: Great White Rat.
Glad to hear from you..
Does a “Liberal Cut and Run” sound to you like a war hero… or like a coward. Who cut and run from a war… Answer Cowards correct?
Problem with Bush (one of many) is that he has a big mouth and a lot of imitators.
Again. My comments about the war in Iraq are ignored .
Again. Your tactic is to get a paragraph… and attack it.
Insulting to say that it is information what can give you an opinion? And that information has nothing to do with being on the grownd?
Sincerely rat, you need to read my postings a bit more carefully and stop distorting what i am saying.
Any comments about my real point in the posting…. What Government are we supporting again? Al-Malaki the one with the Militias, or Al-Malaki the one that has the Kurds in their own “Country” by now, or maibe Al-Malaki the one that can’t control his own Army.
I have news for you. The Al-Malaki “Government” we are supposed to support is about to Collapse… The Sunni are just about trough, and the Kurds are for the most part gone already. When that happens, is third strike you are out for Bush.
I am just hoping (and people like Baker, with the Baker Commission) that when that happens we have a plan B (for a change) for our troops…. Because that’s when the shit really hits the fan.
You have to know when to fall them Rat.
RE: Lorica.
But you do not know what you are talking about… I said with all due respect.
And … You don’t know…. I am sorry there is just no other way of putting it OK. How am I supposed to tell you you are incorrect in your remarks? ..
Honey, Sweety with sugar on top… You are not correct?
Check your facts and contradict me with facts …. Not with name calling…Lowlife troll…. And the rest is just garbage… Yes I hear that all the time.. From people with no answers!!
See Mr. Rat, or NC Cop?
I satrt everithing all the time…
RE: NC Cop
Thank you for your prompt and adecuate answer to my Al-Malaki remarks…. You know my remarks…. The ones you keep on ignoring. OH I am just going to bed is pointless.
Being on the grownd is crucial in your mind. I then suggest you invite Bush to spend a little “vacation” at the Green Zone. The man needs all the On The Grownd ” knowledge he can possibly get.
But I tell you one thing, lack of on the grownd knowledge never Stops Bush from opening his mouth and giving his “opinion” about the war does it? Come to think about it I believe the Big White Rat and just about any other person that ever bloged is in the same boat are they not?
So, No one can have a valid opinion after 3 1/2 years of information unless you were on the spot… Nice logic, but again not true.
One final point that I made before, and of course you ignored. Just about every General ON THE GROWND AND IN COMMAND IN IRAQ that came back to Civilian life share my opinions about the mess… Go figure…They were probably at some other war… Because you are the only one that knows the truth when it comes to Iraq.
gil put words in people’s mouth saying, “Answer Cowards correct?”
No. It could be people who just do not think the war is winnable or that we’ve done all we can and the Iraqi security forces need to stand up. It’s a difference of opinion. Whatever the case, “cutting and running” is not finishing the job and “cutting and running” could lead to a humanitarian crisis. Enough with the smearing. You were doing it on your first post and then claimed you didn’t start it. NObody used the word coward. You did it with the claim that people were saying you were unpatriotic also. It’d be nice if you STUCK to the topic, didn’t call names, and accepted what people wrote instead of acting like they were idiots and giving them a condescending tone. You have called people here and people in the administration names and it doesn’t further your argument and doesn’t make you persuasive.
Your sentence after the one I responded to is a continuation of your behavior and irresponsible rhetoric during a time of war. You give aid and comfort to the enemy (whether you know it or not – I’m not addressing what’s in your heart) and aren’t persuasive.
Gil wrote, “Again. My comments about the war in Iraq are ignored .”
You have stated them repeatedly and instead of acting like an adult and guessing that we read your comments you lash out with this statement accusing us of ignoring your comments. Additionally, we’ve discussed these same points with other
liberalscommenters on this blog numerous times.We could accuse you of ignoring us because even though we post links like this, you continue on with your same talking points as if you know more about what they said then they themselves…. Imagine that for condescension.
Lastly, We have asked you to read Sister Toldjah’s comment policy because unlike other childlike comment sections of other blogs, she’d prefer that you do not cuss. You did it again in your 12:20 AM post using the word sh**. We have asked you to change your behavior repeatedly. If you want to talk about ignoring… you’ve ignored the comment policy and us asking you to change your behavior. The only person you can control is yourself and you’re failing miserably.
The funny part is that gil is making it sound as if the troops are cut off from the rest of the world, that they do not know what is going on outside thier platoons…
Which is father from the truth than you can imagine.
Take for instance the banner we have been seeing come out from the troops in Iraq as physical proof that you are wrong. Within a short time of Kerrys rediculous comments disparaging the troops, and yes that is how most of them took it, botched joke or no, they responded with a sign of their own.
If they did not know what is going on then how did they respond so fast?
Do you not realize that these men and women have access to laptops, news and email?
I will trust what NC Cop has to say about Iraq before I trust someone like Kerry, some Kos kid, or the liberal media.
As to the behaviour that has been exhibited in this thread, has been truly disgusting. When you had felt threatened you turned to childish name-calling and derogatory comments such as:
gil has stated:
But as for the insults on Mr. Rat…. Trust me on this one. You are the company you keep… If you want to sound like the rat, and believe what he believes…. Then the one that need to get out of my Republican party is the two of you.
Then gil steadily plunged over the cliff of insanity…
Hey Bug Bang Ass Hole
Go F Yourself..
You want to start an argument learn to talk like a normal man.
When angered, lashes out even more with a striking resemblance to a teenager with no manners…
sometimes a#@holes like you believe that they are man because they can talk loud….
[edited for language by Brian]
It really must have been a bad morning on the 4th, since most of this was spewed at 2am in a short amount of time…
Big Bug
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Need to stop drinking…. Mommy maight get mad at you.
This is the nut case time
I am not debating you. I am responding to your insults. But, I get tired of this s#@t fast so talk to yourself… I am shure you do it all the time anyway.
You would think you were quite done, perhaps to calm down and discuss things in a normal manner. Nope, the tirade escalated like a child without any control over their emotions…
RE: Bakalavashitass, Great Pink Rat, and my favorite one… The Big Bug Fag.
Baklava…What not angry if they insult me? Only the dumb rat …. I am jealous!! After 2 AM you show your true colors … You are just a double standard jerk
That just goes to show how full of shit you are. If you are against loud mouths what in hell are you doing talking to the Big Bug Imbecil in this blog….. I don’t know how to spell…. The Big Bug Ass Hole can’t say anithing coherent just like Bush… But no problem with you. You people support a President that has an entire industry of “Bushisms” going, and you have a problem with my spelling!!! Hypocrits.
You are all a bunch of idiot loosers that spend an entire night talking to yourselves because no one in this world will talk to imbeciles like you…..You got your collective asses trashed by me and you can’t take it that’s all there is to it. Hell, at 4 AM in the morning you were still in shock!! What ? Some one actually gave you some facts and you people had a nervous brake down?
You are Republican Right Wingers?
The Right left you behind a long time ago. You are just to stupid to realise it
Is that spelled clearly enough for you?
….
Big Bug Fag…. Cut and Run me? You got the wrong guy … I just go to sleep… You on the other hand have no life… Other than Bull SHit all night, with your fellow Psychos Bakalavashit, and the Dumb ass rat. Not much of a sex life for you guys either right? Understendable, very understendable.
Take your anti-Psychotic pills and go to sleep. Tomorrow Iraq will still be a mess… And you still will be a bunch of idiots.
Slowly coming back into reality, seemingly getting past the name calling, the child-like mentality in how he was acting in the posts, comes out as the victim (popular democrat move) when others do not jump into the gutter with them…
I wanted a normal conversation… And for a while I had one with you until all hell broke loose…. Sorry you people are like that, and I am sorry I left myself get into a food fight with a retard like Big Bad Hunter.
See it is hard to take you seriously when you act like you should be on prozac with your extreme ranges in posting. You make good points and we could discuss them if you can get past the need when you feel threatened (which no one even came close to reacting as you did) to lash out at commenters.
Links are very welcome when discussing your points, and can help make your point, or at least make a better discussion point…..but going off like you did, as pointed out abaove, just turns anyone and everyone off from really addressing any of your points with any kind of seriousness when you act as you have.
It turns people off from wanting to debate or discuss these points with you.
I bet, if you were to continue in a civil manner, apologize for your rude remarks, and let others know that it was just the heat of the moment and you will make a greater attempt to have civil debate, you will find more receptive ears.
RE:gil
You ever hear of the surrender agreement that Sadamn Hussein agreed to??? Sadamn agreed to weapons inspectors, period. I said Clinton should of attacked when Sadamn kicked the weapons inspectors out. But you conveniently ignore that fact, and talk about the second point. As my good friend Baklava says, Reading comprehension, is not the friend of the left.
FYI this is a copy of my previous post:
When the UN Weapons inspectors were kicked out by Sadamn he was in violation of the UN Surrender agreement and Clinton should of kicked his ass. Also when Sadamn tried to assinate a former US President, that was an act of war done during Clinton’s watch.
Sadamn was in VIOLATION of his agreed upon surrender, it is not my “Complete lack of knowledge” that is the problem here gil.
Also screw Arab Street, all you lefties have been screaming about Arab Street since 1991. Well sir if Bush 41 would of just said screw Arab Street, then Osama bin Laden wouldn’t have made the US the target it was. In his own words the US was a target due to the fact that we had troops in Saudi Arabia AFTER the 1st Gulf War.
Now gil, do us all a favor and take you condension out of your posts. You are not the intelectual superior to anyone here. I know that is difficult for you to hear, but that is truth. Now I am done with you. Have a wonderful life, it has been good making you look like an fool. – Lorica
Seems to me that it was Clinton who made regime change in Iraq a matter of US policy. As usual, the Dems want to wheedle and talk and act like they’re for doing something, but if anyone actually goes ahead and does it, then they are labeled a dangerous cowboy. Clinton failed to implement US policy (no big surprise there) and it took Bush to actually do it, which of course is never the intention of Democrats, all talk, no action.
and providence will send the GOP majority packing.
Thank God that Jesus is against torture, lies and Republicans or we Dems wouldn’t have a chance tomorrow.
See you on the other end of the election. I’m curious to see you spin the demoralizing loss as God’s will.
So, is it going to be divine providence when we wipe the floor with you people on election day?
I certainly like to think so.