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	<title>Comments on: The BS defeatism on Iraq has started</title>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/11/08/the-bs-defeatism-on-iraq-has-started/comment-page-1/#comment-583809</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dems have never considered this a war, just a situation, thats the problem.  Wonder what they&#039;ll call it when the house chambers gets blown to bits.:-w</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dems have never considered this a war, just a situation, thats the problem.  Wonder what they&#8217;ll call it when the house chambers gets blown to bits.<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_waiting.gif' alt='&#58;&#45;&#119;' class='wp-smiley' width='23' height='18' title='&#58;&#45;&#119;' /></p>
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		<title>By: arcman</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/11/08/the-bs-defeatism-on-iraq-has-started/comment-page-1/#comment-583750</link>
		<dc:creator>arcman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;- Big winners - Independents/classic Liberals/Libertarians/moderate Conservativesâ€¦ 

- Big losers - SecProggs/Fundie Conservatives/anything greater than +/- 35% from the middle. 

- Mainstream America has had it. The message is cut out the crap, and take care of business. 

- The â€˜08 winners will be the group that doesn&#039;t BS itself on what this vote &quot;means&quot;, and gets the message of the electorate.&quot;


The problem with your anaysis Bang is two fold.  1. A Zebra cannot change it&#039;s stripes; and 2.  You can&#039;t teach and old dog new tricks.   The losers in this election are not the SecProgs and the far right, but those of us that are in the middle.  All you have to do is look at the Dem leadership.  Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house; Conyers (a Communist/Socialist)as Judiciary chair;  Rangel, as Ways and Means,  Murtha or Hoyer as Majority whip, and an impeached judge as Intellegence chair.   Don&#039;t forget Baghdad Jim McDermott from the Seattle area,  etc on the House side.  We have Reid, who has called the President a liar and a loser; Kennedy, who said the Iraq war was cooked up for political gain, Turbin Dick Durban, who denigrated the troops by saying they were worse than Pol Pot and the Nazis; Chucky Shumer who had operatives sneak in and steal personal records from Michael Steele.  Worse yet these people are in the pocket of MoveOn.org;  Code Pink;  Michael Moore; Cindy Sheehan, the listeners of the defunct Air America:  Daily Kos; and the Democratic Underground.  You want to look at how dangerous the situation we are in know, go read DailyKos.com or DU.com.  Pelosi and Reid will take their marching orders from the far left, or they will lose their support.  Impeachment and investigations will happen, because it is the left&#039;s nature to control and blame.  I am attempting to be as positive as I can about the results of this election, but for the first time in my life, I am truly afraid of what might come by letting these people have this much power.  Right now, our biggest hope comes in the fact that George W Bush is the president and we better hope that he doesn&#039;t cave to the left&#039;s version of bipartisanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;- Big winners &#8211; Independents/classic Liberals/Libertarians/moderate Conservativesâ€¦ </p>
<p>- Big losers &#8211; SecProggs/Fundie Conservatives/anything greater than +/- 35% from the middle. </p>
<p>- Mainstream America has had it. The message is cut out the crap, and take care of business. </p>
<p>- The â€˜08 winners will be the group that doesn&#8217;t BS itself on what this vote &#8220;means&#8221;, and gets the message of the electorate.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with your anaysis Bang is two fold.  1. A Zebra cannot change it&#8217;s stripes; and 2.  You can&#8217;t teach and old dog new tricks.   The losers in this election are not the SecProgs and the far right, but those of us that are in the middle.  All you have to do is look at the Dem leadership.  Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house; Conyers (a Communist/Socialist)as Judiciary chair;  Rangel, as Ways and Means,  Murtha or Hoyer as Majority whip, and an impeached judge as Intellegence chair.   Don&#8217;t forget Baghdad Jim McDermott from the Seattle area,  etc on the House side.  We have Reid, who has called the President a liar and a loser; Kennedy, who said the Iraq war was cooked up for political gain, Turbin Dick Durban, who denigrated the troops by saying they were worse than Pol Pot and the Nazis; Chucky Shumer who had operatives sneak in and steal personal records from Michael Steele.  Worse yet these people are in the pocket of MoveOn.org;  Code Pink;  Michael Moore; Cindy Sheehan, the listeners of the defunct Air America:  Daily Kos; and the Democratic Underground.  You want to look at how dangerous the situation we are in know, go read DailyKos.com or DU.com.  Pelosi and Reid will take their marching orders from the far left, or they will lose their support.  Impeachment and investigations will happen, because it is the left&#8217;s nature to control and blame.  I am attempting to be as positive as I can about the results of this election, but for the first time in my life, I am truly afraid of what might come by letting these people have this much power.  Right now, our biggest hope comes in the fact that George W Bush is the president and we better hope that he doesn&#8217;t cave to the left&#8217;s version of bipartisanism.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorica</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/11/08/the-bs-defeatism-on-iraq-has-started/comment-page-1/#comment-583638</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this really surprise anyone?  These are the guys that believe that we should be leaving this as a legal issue, instead of an act of war.  I say we supeona Osama Bin Laden, so that he might be able to answer some questions before Congress.  =))

I have no doubt that very soon we will be releasing some of Sadamn&#039;s military stores so that the people of Iraq might stand a chance.  Nancy now knows that the whole rant of Iraq is in a civil war, can finally be realized due to Tuesday&#039;s election results.  But now she has a problem, how to make it not appear to be something she did.  This is going to be interesting to watch. - Lorica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this really surprise anyone?  These are the guys that believe that we should be leaving this as a legal issue, instead of an act of war.  I say we supeona Osama Bin Laden, so that he might be able to answer some questions before Congress.  <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_rotfl.gif' alt='&#61;&#41;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='30' height='18' title='&#61;&#41;&#41;' /></p>
<p>I have no doubt that very soon we will be releasing some of Sadamn&#8217;s military stores so that the people of Iraq might stand a chance.  Nancy now knows that the whole rant of Iraq is in a civil war, can finally be realized due to Tuesday&#8217;s election results.  But now she has a problem, how to make it not appear to be something she did.  This is going to be interesting to watch. &#8211; Lorica</p>
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		<title>By: Big Bang Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Bang Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Heres my encapsulated take on the elections:

- Big winners - Independents/classic Liberals/Libertarians/moderate Conservativesâ€¦ 

- Big losers - SecProggs/Fundie Conservatives/anything greater than +/- 35% from the middle. 

- Mainstream America has had it. The message is cut out the crap, and take care of business. 

- The â€˜08 winners will be the group that doesn&#039;t BS itself on what this vote &quot;means&quot;, and gets the message of the electorate.

- Pelosi is caught. She is stalling, trying to stave off the demands of her hard left support, much of which is getting ever more uncontrollable with each passing day, (In SF some of her rag tag gaggle scream at her for being too pro war if you can believe that, calling her a baby killer....those people are somewhere left of Lenin), and trying to listen to her core party advisors who are warning her to move the party toward the middle, or kiss &#039;08 goodbye.

- I don&#039;t think she&#039;s up to it. Pure and simple. At some point the whole thing will cave in on her head, and she&#039;ll be forced to jetison the hard left, or doom the Dems chances in &#039;08. All extreme positions are officially irrelevant from now on until the &#039;08 elections are history. The hard Left moonbats already know this, and in their sweet tolorant way, are going to make as much trouble as possible, trying desperately to stay in the game. The fortunes of the Dems rides on how well the party leadership can handle them.

- It&#039;s going to be interesting.

- Bang **==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Heres my encapsulated take on the elections:</p>
<p>- Big winners &#8211; Independents/classic Liberals/Libertarians/moderate Conservativesâ€¦ </p>
<p>- Big losers &#8211; SecProggs/Fundie Conservatives/anything greater than +/- 35% from the middle. </p>
<p>- Mainstream America has had it. The message is cut out the crap, and take care of business. </p>
<p>- The â€˜08 winners will be the group that doesn&#8217;t BS itself on what this vote &#8220;means&#8221;, and gets the message of the electorate.</p>
<p>- Pelosi is caught. She is stalling, trying to stave off the demands of her hard left support, much of which is getting ever more uncontrollable with each passing day, (In SF some of her rag tag gaggle scream at her for being too pro war if you can believe that, calling her a baby killer&#8230;.those people are somewhere left of Lenin), and trying to listen to her core party advisors who are warning her to move the party toward the middle, or kiss &#8216;08 goodbye.</p>
<p>- I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s up to it. Pure and simple. At some point the whole thing will cave in on her head, and she&#8217;ll be forced to jetison the hard left, or doom the Dems chances in &#8216;08. All extreme positions are officially irrelevant from now on until the &#8216;08 elections are history. The hard Left moonbats already know this, and in their sweet tolorant way, are going to make as much trouble as possible, trying desperately to stay in the game. The fortunes of the Dems rides on how well the party leadership can handle them.</p>
<p>- It&#8217;s going to be interesting.</p>
<p>- Bang <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tom TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not a war to be won, but a situation to be solved&quot;; are you on drugs, Nancy? This is the same nonsense that I heard after my former workplace was bombed 2/26/93, that it was just an isolated group of extremists, blah,blah,blah. The fact that these people don&#039;t wear uniforms doesn&#039;t make them any less of an army. God help us if the San Francisco bay area is hit; then they will be begging Rumsfeld to come back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not a war to be won, but a situation to be solved&#8221;; are you on drugs, Nancy? This is the same nonsense that I heard after my former workplace was bombed 2/26/93, that it was just an isolated group of extremists, blah,blah,blah. The fact that these people don&#8217;t wear uniforms doesn&#8217;t make them any less of an army. God help us if the San Francisco bay area is hit; then they will be begging Rumsfeld to come back!</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NC Cop is right, and the Cut and Run Democrats will be in front of TV cameras demanding that they be protected first as they are more valuable than the average Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NC Cop is right, and the Cut and Run Democrats will be in front of TV cameras demanding that they be protected first as they are more valuable than the average Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: NC Cop</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/11/08/the-bs-defeatism-on-iraq-has-started/comment-page-1/#comment-583234</link>
		<dc:creator>NC Cop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful message to send to our enemies around the world, who are undoubtedly watching to see how the dems handle Iraq.  Now they know.  

Be prepared America, they are going to come after us with everything they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful message to send to our enemies around the world, who are undoubtedly watching to see how the dems handle Iraq.  Now they know.  </p>
<p>Be prepared America, they are going to come after us with everything they have.</p>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/11/08/the-bs-defeatism-on-iraq-has-started/comment-page-1/#comment-583154</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve listened to nancy and chuckie and charlie .. we&#039;ll see how much better our country goes ... I&#039;m stocking my shelter as we speak.**==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve listened to nancy and chuckie and charlie .. we&#8217;ll see how much better our country goes &#8230; I&#8217;m stocking my shelter as we speak.<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bachbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bachbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDR and HST, not to mention tens of thousands of Saddam&#039;s Iraqi victims, must be spinning in their graves at Rep. Pelosi&#039;s condescending cretinism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDR and HST, not to mention tens of thousands of Saddam&#8217;s Iraqi victims, must be spinning in their graves at Rep. Pelosi&#8217;s condescending cretinism.</p>
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		<title>By: camojack</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2006/11/08/the-bs-defeatism-on-iraq-has-started/comment-page-1/#comment-582882</link>
		<dc:creator>camojack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been going through obstructionism from the &lt;em&gt;Left&lt;/em&gt;; now it&#039;ll be obstructionism from the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Right&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. Common theme: obstructionism...basically, &lt;em&gt;status quo&lt;/em&gt;. 

IOW, &lt;strong&gt;SSDD&lt;/strong&gt;... :-@
(Can you say &quot;veto&quot;?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been going through obstructionism from the <em>Left</em>; now it&#8217;ll be obstructionism from the <strong><em>Right</em></strong>. Common theme: obstructionism&#8230;basically, <em>status quo</em>. </p>
<p>IOW, <strong>SSDD</strong>&#8230; <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_talktohand.gif' alt='&#58;&#45;&#64;' class='wp-smiley' width='31' height='16' title='&#58;&#45;&#64;' /><br />
(Can you say &#8220;veto&#8221;?)</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost gagged seeing a commercial and ABC sucking it up on a story about Pelosi...&quot;The change we see is a more &#039;lovable&#039; pelosi....&quot;

As she was surrounded by children and giving her a hug.

Good thing I ate hours earlier....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost gagged seeing a commercial and ABC sucking it up on a story about Pelosi&#8230;&#8221;The change we see is a more &#8216;lovable&#8217; pelosi&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>As she was surrounded by children and giving her a hug.</p>
<p>Good thing I ate hours earlier&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me started.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a pretty foolish statement by Pelosi. However, even a 1999 DoD research paper done by several generals said we&#039;d need &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timmoon.com/politics/war-simulation-says-400000-troops-needed&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;400,000 troops&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and we still might not be able to stabilize Iraq. How could we do it with only 150,000? My girlfriend and I both served in Iraq and it was a very difficult situation. I think we should better equip our soldiers, provide more and better armored vehicles, and send more troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a pretty foolish statement by Pelosi. However, even a 1999 DoD research paper done by several generals said we&#8217;d need <a href="http://www.timmoon.com/politics/war-simulation-says-400000-troops-needed" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>400,000 troops</strong></a> and we still might not be able to stabilize Iraq. How could we do it with only 150,000? My girlfriend and I both served in Iraq and it was a very difficult situation. I think we should better equip our soldiers, provide more and better armored vehicles, and send more troops.</p>
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