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"People are saying what in the world is going on with North Carolina, we look like Mississippi." - NC Gov. Bev Perdue (D) on the passage of Amendment One, 5-11-12
The push for impeachment starts
Another Democrat, former Brooklyn Rep. Liz Holtzman, is pushing for Bush’s impeachment via a new book she’s promoting, which is discussed here.
Prepare. Despite Pelosi’s denials that this will happen, Rep. John Conyers, who is in line to be the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, has been itching for years to impeach Bush. So have other Democrats. He – and they – may soon get their chance to try.
Although the donkey logo fits them perfectly, I think the new symbol for the Democratic party should be Cujo:
Rabid, foaming at the mouth, hyper-angry dangerous far lefties salivating over the opportunity to take a bite out of the President. Will the few moderates and conservatives elected to serve in the House for Democrats be able to save them? I don’t hold out much hope, especially considering the fact that the far lefties in the party have made it clear they will not be ‘suppressed.’
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Talk about stuck on stupid, the 4 things she lists are things that have been endlessly investigated to death. The prewar intel was investigated, and it was found Bush did nothing wrong, same for the “leaking classified info” which is code for the Plame debacle, Katrina was primarily the fault of the local and state govt, and the torture thing has been found to be BS as well. That’s the liberals for you, if you don’t like the facts, keep asking the question and muddying the waters until you can make up whatever facts you want.
Talk about beating a dead horse into horse tartar, but it’s all about vengence because Bush “stole” the election from Gore (even though that’s been endlessly investigated as well). The Dems are showing their true petty, vindictive, lying nature. These leftist morons seem incapable of living with the facts, they are so immature they absolutely have to prove they were right and they don’t care how many lies they have to use to get there. Disgusting.
“Rabid, foaming at the mouth, hyper-angry dangerous…” For a second there I thought you were describing the Republicans during Clinton’s Administration. So…only Republicans can impeach a President for lying? Interesting.
I agree, Sev. All those Democratic estimates would come boiling back to embarrass them again. The other things are laughable at best. Go for it, Toots! We can always use a good chuckle.
I’d think they’d want to avoid such an action because it would come across as just petty…
One of the problems with the leftwing and the Kossacks, is that they suffer from a lack of perspective. Not only do they fail to understand that impeachment will make them look vindictive and petty, they fail to understand how anyone else could perceive them to be vindictive and petty.
Tim, the nutroots wing of the Dems far outshadows any of the dislike Reps had for Clinton. Nice try though. And Clinton deliberately perjured himself under oath, it caused him not only to be impeached but also disbarred, the prewar intel meme still sticks around, despite the fact that bipartisan investigations have found absolutely no basis for the nutroots whining and pants wetting about it. The Dems who voted for the war and now fear the nutroots are desperate to find some kind of excuse and cover by blaming someone else.
But, thanks for proving my point about how it’s all vengence for Clinton’s impeachment. That’s the only thrust of your post, it was done to Clinton so it’s deserved eh? Pathetic.
- People I talk to inside the beltway, tell me that the Dem core political advisors are warning Pelosi, and Reid, to move the party to the center as quickly as possible and get some specific plans together as talking points, sideline the hard left dribble, forget all the acrping and vengence crap, and try erneatly to get things done, or kiss ’08 goodbye.
- Wonder if they’ll be smart enough to heed their own peoples advice. We’ll see. It’s put up, or shut up time for the Dems on the real issues, and they don’t have a lot of time to look like they have a plan.
- Bang
There will be no impeachment movement but there will be investigation and creation of a historical record of the last 6 years.
How does it go?:
“If you’ve got nothing to hide, don’t be afraid to answer the questions.”
When people start seeing the billions of dollars lost, wasted and stolen over the last 6 years, we won’t need impeachment or the political division it will cause. We’ll let the people vote on the record in 2008. Besides the Presidency, remember that in 2 years Democrats only have to defend 11 Senate seats, the Republican’s have 22 to defend. The Democratic control of Washington will be solidified.
WMD won’t be the issue that kills the GOP in 2008. The massive corruption and waste will be.
The Democratic control of Washington will be solidified.
- Nobody knows at this point, how astute, or effectively, the dems will be in discarding the campaign rhetoric, and showing they can, in fact, govern. But this much is sure Ed. If a year and a half from now, all they have to show for themselves is a few witchhunts, most of which will just serve to show the electorate how unserious and petty the party is, the Dems will have blown the shaky, but real chances they have. You don’t need to be a Cleo to see the people of America are dog-eared tired of all the partisan BS. So keep dreaming of ways to recover from stains on blue skirts, and you’ll be right back where you were in 2000.
- Bang
“If you’ve got nothing to hide, don’t be afraid to answer the questions.”
Yeah, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
There hasn’t been a single oversight hearing held on the Iraq Reconstuction money.
If people see that one of the primary reasons that we failed in Iraq was because of the mismanagement, waste and corruption of republican political appointees, what do you think the odds are they will rehire the GOP?
There’s been minimal congressional oversight of Katrina funds.
No meetings of the Ethics committee until last month. K Street Project anyone?
These are the issues that you have to be worried about. Not impeachment.
Yeah, you guys did such a great job with the Plame investigation. What was that? About 2 million dollars and almost 2 years of investigation and all you got was “Scooter”?!?! LOL!!
What was that you were saying about waste and corruption again???
Then it wasn’t Scooter, it was just another Dem hack who actually did it, and the special prosecutor knew who it was while he was after Scooter. Yeah all sorts of waste, but none of the responsibilities, man somedays I wish I was a Dem, but then again, I just can lie to myself that often. – Lorica
People I talk to inside the beltway, tell me that the Dem core political advisors are warning Pelosi, and Reid, to move the party to the center as quickly as possible
I don’t know if an uber-lefty San Francisco Democrat would consider moving to the center. Even if they do, they’ll piss off the nutroots who will abandon them for the greens. The Democrats do have the ability to solidify their power, but only if they can make both the centrists and the nutroots happy–a job I sure as hell wouldn’t want.
I think Pelosi, being a SF nutroots type herself, probably considers Barbara Boxer a moderate/centrist.
Who cares about Plame and WMD. Follow the money!
David Safavian, the former procurement chief of the Office of Management and Budget in the White House was sentenced in October. He’s just the first and he was caught as sideshow to Abramoff. Wait until the subpeonas start being issued for the floodgate of contracts that came out after 9/11 and the books that have been closed for are opened.
The Dems are clearing the deck for this by supporting State Rep. Karen Carter in her runoff with soon to be indicted crook Jefferson. They don’t want him muddying the waters. You don’t think they noticed that Corruption beat Iraq as the leading issue in the exit polls? That’s the issue the GOP has to worry about.
“If people see that one of the primary reasons that we failed in Iraq was because of the mismanagement, waste and corruption of republican political appointees, what do you think the odds are they will rehire the GOP?”
Or, people could see that the primary reason we fail — if that happens — is because we have one political party (the Democrats) who have worked to sabotage every effort for the past several years. And we have another political party — the media — that helps!
- Because the Dems have such a small majority in both the House and the Senate, and a little thing called “clouture”, requiring 60 yes votes on any major legislature, the last thing they can afford to do, if they hope to get anything accomplished, is get caught up in a lot of partisan hackery from this point on.
- At the same time, many of the incoming Junior Senators are a great deal more moderate than the hard left group they’ll be joining, which isn’t going to be easy to manage. Pelosi has her work cut out for her, without even thinking about distractions.
- So their path is clear. Either they really join the Reps in true non-partisan fashion, or squander their chances for a real run in ’08. Anyone that continues to yammer of petty vengence is doing his or her party a great disservice, and blocking the wheels of future Democratic progress.
- Of course I fully expect the SecProgg hard left to try to burn down the barn, when they see they’re not going along on the hayride. Remember, with the Proggs, it’s all about ideology. America, it’s safety and future, is of no concern. It’s not the America they want, so its just another means to thier ends. But the core moderates have the real power, and no excuse now, if they fail.
- Bang
“So their path is clear. Either they really join the Reps in true non-partisan fashion, or squander their chances for a real run in ‘08. Anyone that continues to yammer of petty vengence is doing his or her party a great disservice, and blocking the wheels of future Democratic progress”
I think what you say here is very accurate, Bang. Only problem I see is that I don’t think the Moonbat Coalition can be silenced. They want what they want when they want it. Maybe I’m biased, though … I work at a newspaper (unfortunately) and I’m surrounded by these people who actually believe Valerie Plame’s identity (non-covert as she was) was more important than the national security secrets leaked by The New York Times.
There are lots of insects in the Fever Swamp. The liberals I know won’t be happy with a move to the center. Then again, it’s all about power, so I suspect it will be a pretend move to the center (at best) while trying to surreptitiously pass all kinds of left-wing fringe legislation.
- Beth, with things as they stand, they can’t pass anything without substitive Republican cooperation. Even then they have to get past the Bush veto, other than direct funding bills. If they don’t join in, hands across the aisle, they won’t get much of anything done, particularly left-wing junk, other than committe funding. What’s really happened in this “mandate” is the grid lock has simply switched parties. It’s a bit like winning a porsche, but only being allowed to drive it for one hour, every other month.
- On the other hand, IF the Dems play centrist for real, then they could lay the groundwork, given a true moderate candidate, for a real run in ’08. My money says they get so torn between the hard Left, a base that can’t afford to lose, and the moderates, that they won’t be all that effective at anything. But that’s just a guess.
- Sometimes diversity means everyone going off in so many different directions, you never get to the finish line. All silver clouds have their grey lining’s.
- Bang
- Incidently for all you SecProggs, just to make your day, Conyers just released a press statement that “impeachment” is OFF the table. He aggrees totally with Pelosi.
- I can tick that off with a check mark on my list of predictions. The hard Left is toast.
- Now that WalMart has put the “Chris” back in Christmas, along with Macy’s, the whole world must be going crazy….What next… Men dancing with thier wives?
So, then, what does the “hard left” do? They have to do something, right? It’s not like they’re going to disappear …
I’m not being argumentative toward you, by the way. I’m just trying to figure out this stuff. I wouldn’t trust any of these people (Pelosi, Conyers, etc.) as far as I could throw them. What they say and what they’ll do can be two entirely different things.
It was reported on Fox this afternoon on Gibson’s show that nancy was not going for impeachment and conyers has agreed with her …. I guess someone told him to keep his pie hole shut while they are setting up at least 100 new investigations.
This is gonna be something to watch.
Heard Biden wants to NOT GIVE BOLTON AN UP OR DOWN vote for conformation to the U.N. Wonder who these idiots want to see there.
God help us all.
- Actually you’re EXACTLY correct Beth. But I think it means something different than you’re worried about. They’ll continue to talk hard left from time to time, to throw red meat to the far Left base (it won’t be enough, the crazies are already tearing thier own leaders apart on the various fevor swamp blogs), and they’ll move everything to the center because they want to get elected. It’s already started, and why I am completely at odds with all the talking heads.
- The second act is yet to start. When the Dems have to stop yammering about “bi-partisan cooperation”, and start actually stating some specific concrete idea’s. I can’t wait.
- As I said, I’m not at all unhappy about the elections. In retrospect, they may turn out to be exactly what thr Republican do nothing Congress needed, and a wake up call for ’08.
- Bang
Just to clarify:
I assume anything they SAY will be an effort to fool as many people as they can into thinking they really are moderate — and, yet, we know the leadership is not moderate at all. So, if they pretend to be moderate for the moment, their end goal is still to enact as many liberal policies as possible — from higher taxes to open borders (and more victims) to universal health care. It’s what they’re always working toward, right? I mean, why would they want power so desperately if they weren’t going to use it to advance leftist policy? If they really are moderates, then it seemingly wouldn’t matter which party had control. The agendas wouldn’t be all that different either way.
But, I’m rambling.
Thanks Bang — I think I posted at about the same moment you did, so I hadn’t seen your last response before I posted my “clarification.”
- My point is Beth, that in spite of what ever rhetotic they may use, they’re just as powerless as the Reps were in most meaningful ways, so they’ll hew to the modertae line in deed, in the run up to ’08. I fully expect by the time we get to withing 6 months of that cycloe, you’ll have a very hard time telling the two sides apart. they’ll both be fighting tooth and nail for the middle America vote. The Dems are very unlikely to repeat the Kerry mistake this soon.
- That’s why I think parties are going to be far less important than the Candidate the next time around, even more than usual, and why I think if we run someone like Guiliani, he’ll be almost unbeatable.
- Bang
Good point, I can’t argue with that one bit.
So, what do we do next?
If the Democrats even pretend to be moderate, the media will portray them as kind and wonderful, hearts and flowers, all the beautiful things we were missing when the cruel Republicans had a majority (don’t you love how after years of smearing the president, the troops, Christians and everyone else in their way, Democrats are now saying we have to cooperate — as if they knew the meaning of that word a few weeks ago).
If the Democrats act like their true selves — you know, impeachment, investigation, etc. — they’ll be portrayed as brave crusaders against the evil Bush.
I still contend that the mainstream media handed this election to the Democrats. The polls were moving in a very positive direction in September.
Now, I’m not saying that the Republicans didn’t give them ammunition. But everyone knows by now that the media doesn’t use ammunition in the same way against all parties. They use it selectively, to say the least. When Clinton was in trouble, we got stories about how lying was OK if it saved someone’s feelings — and, my personal favorite, the painful truth about sexual addiction! Heck, by the time it was over, the media was trying to make people feel sorry for Clinton because he couldn’t control his urges and then — the horror — his wife had to find out, too.
We absolutely can’t let the media determine our fate ever again. This much, I know.
Well get ready for investigation after investigation for awhile, but I can bet the American Public will tire of the constant investigation with no results, the constant grandstanding Democrats will do, ect.
How long do you think it will be before the American public begins to tune out soemthing that happens over and oevr again…investigation, democrats don’t ask question but use it for a pulpit to spout and spew for 30 minutes a piece…ect.
I fully expect the Democrats to try and pull Impeachment soon. It is a given.
Look at the little fake, play acting impeachment hearings they had before. They are just drooling for it.
Here is what I expect…
1. A bunch of investigations to start.
2. A bunch of investigations to start.
3. Did I mention investigations?
4. Raise taxes, for the good of the people.
5. Roll back the tax cuts for the ‘rich’.
6. Institute a big gas tax because of the record profits of the Big Oil.
7. Investigation for Impeaching the President.
8. Impeach the President
9. Congratulate each other and give themselves a raise.
- Well heres a little more realistic way to look at the “Big fat Greek wonderous Technicolor Trenchcoat Cosmic MANDATE of the Dems”. The Dems have a string of Network and cable outlets that numbers in the mid to high teens, Ditto on the laim-brain media, except even more so, even FOX has a large number of Liberal talking heads from Kalb to Jane Hall to Gabler ect ect. With all that cheerleading…all of it…The Dems were barely able to eek out majorities, and this against a totally abdurrant Rep Congress that couldn’t find their derriers with an atomic powered broom and a company of Marines. In several ways it’s perfect. the Dems go on doing what they always do, happily alienating voter block after voter block, and the Reps get a kick in the can to get them going for ’08. What’s not to like?
- Bang
sanity….You need to scratch 7 and 8 off your list. Conyers rooled over for the leadership slot. Nancy made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
- Bang
You can say all these things have been investigated before, but the Dems never had the power to subpeona people and put them under oath.
Also I think a little investigation into W releasing plans for building nukes (in Arabic!) on the internet is in order.
The Reps had 1,000 hours of hearings about Clinton’s Christmas card list. I think George deserves at least that much.
uhuh. They have had people subpoenaed and under oath. Who are you saying wasn’t that needs to be leaf?
As for your second paragraph, do you have proof that “W” did that? Please recite for us how many people work in the Executive Branch of government (more than 100,000 people leaf).
The third paragraph is irrelevant to whether or not Bush is overstepping constitutional authority. I’ve read over 1,000 pages on this issue and I simply disagree. I agree with the experts who think the Bush administration has used authority he has to wage the war. Accusations are nice and investigations are nicer but they need substance.
Baklava said:
uhuh. They have had people subpoenaed and under oath. Who are you saying wasn’t that needs to be leaf?
Let’s start with everyone in the White House Iraq Group. Also Rummy, Cheney. See where that leads us.
As for your second paragraph, do you have proof that “W” did that? Please recite for us how many people work in the Executive Branch of government (more than 100,000 people leaf).
I can’t prove it. That’s why there should be an investigation. Certainly somebody did it.
The third paragraph is irrelevant to whether or not Bush is overstepping constitutional authority. I’ve read over 1,000 pages on this issue and I simply disagree. I agree with the experts who think the Bush administration has used authority he has to wage the war. Accusations are nice and investigations are nicer but they need substance.
You’re not the decider on that one Baklava, our elected representatives are. Let them investigate and if your boy is as clean as you say, what are you worried about?
As much as I’m enjoying this, I have to get up early tomorrow, so good night.
You can’t prove it yet you’ll go out on a limb making wild accusations?
When did you stop beating your wife? Let’s investigate….
Yes. Somebody did “it” and somebody in management somewhere was notified and took appropriate action to have it removed.
I may not be the decider, but you not liking Bill’s Christmas card list being investigating is still irrelevant. Did I assert that I was the decider? No. Yes. Our elected representatives are. And guess what, the investigations and reports have come out. Read them.
BTW, I don’t mind if there are more studies or investigations. But the topic at hand is impeachment…. On what grounds? What are the charges?
False and reckless ones? Cool….
Investigations are fine. I am particularly looking forward to seeing all the dems that went to Bill Clinton clamoring about how Saddam’s WMD program was a severe threat to not only the middle east, but the U.S. as well. Can’t wait to see Albright, Clinton, Kennedy, and the rest of the crew under oath telling why they thought Saddam was so dangerous years before G.W. came into power. Should be a hoot, right leaf?!
Perhaps we can subpoena Rockefeller and ask him about his trip to Syria 4 months after 9/11 where he let everyone know that Bush was determined to invade Iraq. Nothing like letting the enemy know that we’re coming.
Then we can subpoena the pride of the democratic party, Ted Kennedy, and ask him about his memo to the Soviets during the middle of the cold war when he offered help against Reagan.
yeah, the dems have nothing to hide. I look forward to it.
From what I could see, Bak, leaf just wants a fishing expedition. He’s got nothing but hopes an investigation will provide something they can use. It’ll be taking 2+2 and gettting 7 and then they’ll run with it. I’m bored already.
From what I could see, Bak, leaf just wants a fishing expedition. He’s got nothing but hopes an investigation will provide something they can use. It’ll be taking 2+2 and gettting 7 and then they’ll run with it. I’m bored already.
Now, after the election on Tuesday, we hear that the period of “partisan politics” will be over. Nancy Pelosi, the she-wolf left-winger who has never shown President Bush any respect throughout his presidency, and has made a career of spewing mud-splattering diatribes and criticism towards him is now poised to work with our president?
Wow!
So what happened?
Did she have some sort of political “born-again” experience when we weren’t looking?
I doubt it.
Oh yeah….they are going to appear sweet, moderate, non-critical, positive, and forward looking (similar to the hopes that Republicans are now talking about on all the shows), but just wait till January! The moment the gavel changes hands…look out! It’s most likely going to come down upon several Republican heads; starting with President Bush! Watch what happens. The Dems now consider themselves the “gods” of the government and they will most likely take the “revenge is mine” mantra more seriously in January, as well as for the next 2 years. After being out of power and angry about it for the past 12 years, how could they resist not using their newly found power to get back at Bush, the Administration people whom they hate and any Republican who they have been seething about?
What I think is funny is the automatic assumption that Bush released nuke info. Couldn’t be any of his enemies within the executive branch attempting to make him look incompetent?? Nope, nope, nope, that is impossible. This is the same logic that is used when we hear stupid garbage about detonations being set off in the World Trade Center. Couldn’t have been bombs in the checked in luggage, it had to be Bush who had the Army Corps of Engineers put explosive devices in the exact same floors that the airplanes flew into. This is just like the thermos, it keeps cold things cold, and hot things hot, HOW DOES IT KNOW???
– Lorica
- Somehow a little birdie tells me that all the “leaks” will stop now, you know, the ones that were done because “the American people have a right to know”.
- Now that the absolutely totally honest Dems are in office, the american people don’t need to know anymore.
- Bang
Congressional and Senate leaders including Santorum and Hoekstra urged Bush to release the Iraq documents without knowing what they were. A big deal was made of it and I think it did come from very high up in the administration. Negroponte warned against releasing them so it must have come from higher up than him. From the nytimes article (my emphasis):
The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release.
The administration had been warned about the sensitive documents weeks before they took them down and did nothing about it until contacted by NYtimes.
Lots of right-wing bloggers were thrilled when the Iraq documents were released, including ST:
Batch of pre-war Afghanistan and Iraq documents are released
Politics trumps security again!
I think if a real investigation is done there will be plenty of grounds for impeachment. Having the Bush lapdog congress investigate him is a joke. I don’t actually want Bush impeached though. We need to get Cheney out first or things could get really bad!
Many including ST and myself still want the documents out there to prove you guys making FALSE RECKLESS CHARGES are WRONG.
That doesn’t mean that ST and I and anyone else in top management in the administration knew what every page of content was in the documents… That would be a high hurdle of proof to bear and you can’t do it leaf. You can only throw out more false allegations….
Government is slow. It is not quick. It’s slowness is not a sign of somebody wanting to HAVE secrets out there.
When did you stop beating your wife?
Baklava said:
Many including ST and myself still want the documents out there to prove you guys making FALSE RECKLESS CHARGES are WRONG.
You still want the documents out there showing terrorists how to make nukes? Or do you just want the other unknown documents out there that could also be a national security risk?
That doesn’t mean that ST and I and anyone else in top management in the administration knew what every page of content was in the documents… That would be a high hurdle of proof to bear and you can’t do it leaf. You can only throw out more false allegations….
They released documents and they didn’t know what was in them. That is criminally negligent. It doesn’t take a genius to guess that there might be sensitive information in documents taken from the Iraq government. I think even Bush is capable of understanding that. Negroponte understood it well enough.
The documents were released by the Bush administration. Nobody disputes that. Where does the buck stop? If this had happened under Clinton you righties would have been freaking out.
I’ll take the 5th on the wife-beating question. Is that amendment still good?
Let me get this straight, Sadamn did have a Nuclear Weapons Program??? According to what I have read by the left, Sadamn didn’t have such programs. So how could there be nuke plans in those classified documents? – Lorica
Wow, leaf is locked onto that nuclear bomb stuff like a dog on a soupbone!!! Perhaps it’s because no matter what comes out of Iraq, the media will give it no attention if it justifies the Bush administration’s reasons for invading Iraq. Since you are so concerned with security issues, you must want a wall on the border, right? You must also want Rockefeller and Kennedy investiated and punished for treason, right?
Lorica, the documents were pre 1991. He had no active nuclear program at the time of the illegal invasion and occupation in 2003. Having documents is not the same as having nukes, which is lucky for us because who knows how many terrorists now have those documents.
Yeah leaf, tell us about it:
Iraqi Documents Show Plans for Prohibited Nuclear Projects
Document CMPC-2004-000156.pdf dated October 19 2002 contains a very important list of projects which indicate that Saddam regime planned to re-start their prohibited nuclear activities. The list is written by the Iraqi National Monitoring Directorate warning the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization that some of these projects that they are planning to execute are prohibited by the UN resolution 707, some require constant monitoring, and some may raise a lot of questions about it. Also the document talks extensively about an Iraqi project to rehabilitate the old building where the Iraqi used to produce Tetra Uranium Chloride and Hexa Uranium Fluoride (UF6) according to the document. The document talks about an agreement to adopt one of the suggestions to rehabilitate this building and rebuild the HOT CELLS.
If this had happened under Clinton you righties would have been freaking out.
You seem to conveniently forget, leaf, that Clinton already gave the Iranians the same kind of information on a silver platter in what has to be one of the stupidest, most juvenille “spy vs. spy” type of ops in the world. He gave them the same plans, with errors in them to supposedly lead them astray, and then let them be delivered by an ex Soviet bloc nuclear scientist who corrected them for the Iranians. Clinton was and remains a comlete idiot.
From the same site:
Document ISGQ-2003-00000813.pdf shows that the Iraqi were working on producing TANTALUM COATED GRAPHITE as part of research activities for the year 2002. The Graphite coated Tantalum to create a highly corrosion resistant surface for graphite. Tantalum coated Graphite was totally prohibited for use in Iraq according to the UN since it falls under the prohibited nuclear activities…