But you certainly didn’t learn any common courtesy. I don’t give a squat who meets with whom. The Dems want a win in 2008, and they are not about to pull the troops out in 2007, and have all that negative press as the people are voting. Yes let’s watch all our hard work go to waste and the price of oil sky rocket to 100.00 per barrel, all because some idiot wanted to pull our troops out before the mission could be accomplished. Yeah I grew up too, but am still smart enough to know you aren’t going to get anymore miles out of a horse you just beat to death. – Lorica

When I found out about this, it sent a chill down my spine. It’s certainly not good news that they are talking to McGovern, that’s for sure.

I doubt it. After this year’s do-nothing campaign – in which the RNC’s #1 goal was to not upset Democrats and the MSM – I have little hope that the GOP will magically and mysteriously grow a spine between now and the next election.

2008 will probably be between a Democrat (Feingold is the most likely candidate to emerge) and a Democrat-lite (McCain or Guliani). An election for prom king and queen would be more intellectual than the 2008 presidential election will prove to be.

But the 1000-year Democratic Reich will prove to be short lived. There are a bunch of guys crouching in caves with bombs and guns shouting “Allah akhbar!” who have proven to be smarter and more savvy in war-making than any Democrat ever was.

So the fact that McGovern is running around talking about pulling our troops out by June 2007, and comparing Iraq to Vietnam is just a coincidence?

The long list of Democrats scheduled to meet with McGovern are inaccurate?

Murtha and the Kossacks are going to have no impact on what the Dems do?

Once upon a time I believed in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny, but I grew up…..

Look Guys, the burden of proof is now on the Dems to prove that we cannot win this war. I don’t believe that they can prove it. I just heard on the news this morning that 10 ‘terrorists” were just caught in Iraq, including quite possibly the new leader of Al Qaida. Which logically the Dems can’t continue to say that Iraq is not apart of the WOT because we keep finding AQ there.

We can find all sorts of holes in the logic, and if we can find them so can a multitude of Americans. It might just be the optimist in me, but I think this can be a good thing for the Reps. If this brings them back to their senses, and helps them realize that conservatism is not just a good idea, but a true discipline then it has the possibility to make us stronger. What is the old clique’?? “What does not kill us, only makes us stronger”, well that might sound corny and all, but let us hope it holds true here. Let’s hope that we can find leaders who will support conservatives, and not try to find moderates. Which is one of the things that really po’d me about GW. Why he continued to believe that moderates were better than conservatives is just beyond me, but that is a discussion for another thread. – Lorica

When things go bad for a party (either one), they can still usually hold their own, because of a sense of loyalty. But the independents are, by definition, loyal to no one, and they have to be held by positive accomplishment — which we did not do.

Our theme was, unfortunately, “Vote for us, ’cause we’re not as bad as the Democrats.” That ain’t a winning theme.

While we can point to which ideological groups hold ht power now, the fact is that the war has been made the enemy and the troops will bear the brunt of that.