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The 2nd bird is how tom goes on about left wing / right wing having some sort of media conspiracy. LOL But yet when there is, what I would call major news, he doesn’t know about it. Tom do you know that every major country in Europe is dealing with Islamic Radicals??? Spain, England, France have all had major attacks with dozens killed, but yet refuse to deal with the situations. Then they go around and tell us how evil and wrong we are. And people like you want us to concern ourselves with their opinion regarding us. How many Aussies were killed in the Bali bombing tom?? Just what do you know regarding terrorism by radical Muslims???

Sorry if this post seems to ramble abit, but in all seriousness. I cannot take anyone’s opinion serious when they are so negligent regarding world news. It is sooooo easy to get on this site and “slam” the stupid conservative, but if you are going to be so un-informed do us all a favor and just slip into read only mode. – Lorica

tom the philosopher says profoundly: Sometimes realizing and admitting you’re wrong is the right thing.
You might well think about taking your own advice here. For example, at the same time al Qaeda is planning to go nuclear, you want to retreat from the WOT and give them a new privileged sanctuary in Iraq. Not a very good idea. Wrong again.

tom the elitist looks down his nose at the peasantry: I guess it proves I am more skeptical than you, that I question authority more than you.
Really? The blogosphere is overflowing with people, including commenters here, who take issue with the President and the GOP leadership on a range of issues, such as illegal immigration or how to conduct the WOT. That’s call independent thinking. On the other hand, your side robotically follows one far-left dogma. Questioning that authority isn’t permitted. I call Joe Lieberman as first witness of what happens when you dare dissent from the Dem party line on even one point. So tom is wrong again. That makes three…

tom the historian loses sight of the present: Regarding your idea that Islamic extremism grew into the threat only during the Democrats watch: This is ridiculous. While Clinton certainly had missteps and missed opportunities,these go back decades.
Let’s assume for the moment that you got this one right. That would mean W is the only president – of either party – who has dared to fight back. And you have a problem with that.

tom the semanticist parses his words: Many think Bush (W) policies have made it worse.
By “many” he means liberals who get queasy at the idea of defending the country.

tom the moralist tries jumping to a conclusion and misses: And I like your position that its OK to politicize sensitive and secret documents by posting them on the internet.
First, you’re assuming that posting the documents was a political move, not simply a routine matter of posting documents as they’re translated. No evidence of that. Second, you’re implying that the decision to post these documents came from Bush or someone else in the administration. No evidence of that either. Third, since when do you libs have a problem with publishing sensitive or secret documents? If this had popped up on page 1 of the NY Times you’d be claiming it a triumph of free journalism, because, you know, al Qaeda has the right to know whether we’re tapping their phones, or monitoring their financial transactions, or how to make a bomb. Wrong again.

tom concludes by putting on a dunce cap: I still have no idea how the rioting in France fits in with any of this. Not the same scale, huh? Couple of naughty muslims teens tip over a Renault? Let’s try once again explaining this to you. It’s a global (that means the whole world) war on terror. The islamofascists don’t care whether you’re a Marine fighting bravely in Iraq or a coward sniveling under a bed in Paris. They want everyone who is not one of them dead. That includes not just me, NC Cop, Baklava, and Lorica. It includes you. So once again you’re wrong.

But thanks for being our celebrity guest on the “Spot the Troll” game anyway.

Well, have fun in your own little world then. Maybe some day I’ll visit there.

I think demagoging Pelosi is yet another in a string of Republican talking points.

I know, thank God the dems have never done anything like this, huh? Pot, meet kettle.

You’re gonna be upset with him when he stops ’staying the course’ and decides to start ‘cuttin and runnin’.

Interesting, I don’t recall Bush ever saying anything about cutting and running, yet it seems to be the only plan the dems have for Iraq. Keep trying to blame that possiblity on Bush, though. Again, maybe I’ll visit your world someday.

I say investigate any credible accusations

Of course, as long as they are against Republicans, right? what’s your definition of “credible” accusations, ones made by dems?

This is ridiculous. And yes thanks for noticing all of your links are from Republican partisan sources.

Did I call that one or what?! People like you are so preditable, tom. I guess your source on the suppression of science which was, and I quote from your source: “at the request of Rep. Henry A. Waxman, the Democratic staff of the Government Reform Committee in the U.S. House of Representatives assessed the treatment of science and scientists by the Bush Administration.”

Surprise, surprise, the dems got together and came up with a negative report about Bush. Shocked! Shocked, I am!!! Very nice non-biased story. Again, pot, meet kettle.

I also like the way you failed to address the issues on those sites. So I guess Louis Freeh, who Clinton appointed, is a right winger now, huh? I guess he’s not reliable since he’s actually criticizing Clinton. I see it now.

And I like your position that its OK to politicize sensitive and secret documents by posting them on the internet.

Yet, you refuse to answer my question on what you think of nuclear bomb plans being found in Iraq? Denial, perhaps. No matter, it goes well with your denial that Clinton was busy “interviewing interns” rather than defending the country.

I still have no idea how the rioting in France fits in with any of this.

I didn’t bring it up. I do find it interesting that you had not heard of it yet. I guess they didn’t report that on CNN, huh? Try changing the channel every now and then, you might actually find out what’s going on in the great big world.

Couple of naughty muslims teens tip over a Renault?

That’s it, downplay it. Sounds like it came out of the mouth of Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Dean, etc. Take your pick.

Oh, and I’m glad you like my statement about information and power.

Oh, but I do. I think it should be Katie Couric’s sign off. I like that way you suggest that someone who differs in opinion with you, somehow does’nt know as much as you. Very…..fitting.

Remember, Information is power – you should demand more of it.

Sometimes doing the right thing isn’t always the popular thing.
Sometimes realizing and admitting you’re wrong is the right thing. Bush seems to have done this many years to late. You’re gonna be upset with him when he stops ’staying the course’ and decides to start ‘cuttin and runnin’.

Just as I get the feeling that no matter what the administration did you will find something wrong with it, no matter what. So what does that prove?
I guess it proves I am more skeptical than you, that I question authority more than you. I say investigate any credible accusations, and if nothing is found- great. If problems are found, we can correct them.

Regarding your idea that Islamic extremism grew into the threat only during the Democrats watch: This is ridiculous. While Clinton certainly had missteps and missed opportunities,these go back decades. Many think Bush (W) policies have made it worse. And yes thanks for noticing all of your links are from Republican partisan sources. Krauthammer? Thats like me linking to Gore Vidal qoutes.

Perhaps if people were’nt screaming that Bush is a liar every 10 seconds, he wouldn’t have to publish it.And I like your position that its OK to politicize sensitive and secret documents by posting them on the internet. This fits in well with your assertion that doing the right thing isn’t always the popular thing.

I still have no idea how the rioting in France fits in with any of this. Not the same scale, huh? Couple of naughty muslims teens tip over a Renault?

Oh, and I’m glad you like my statement about information and power. If you keep using it I’m going to have to charge you royalties. Hope you take it to heart and expand your reading beyond the Washington times and the Drudge report.

I suppose you won’t read this then. They aren’t in the middle. They are lazy. They sympathize with Democrats and therefore don’t do due diligence but report what Democrats say.

I never said any such thing. But do you honestly think that if the American people knew what Pelosi stood for, and especially the people she represents, they would have voted the way they did? In the last two years San Francisco has banned firearms from private citizens, refused to allow the U.S.S. Iowa, one of the most storied naval ships in history, dock in it’s port, suggested that school campuses ban military recruiters, and declared itself a haven for illegal immigrants. I have a feeling if the media had covered more of this, the election might not have turned out the same.

That doesn’t change Bush’s approval rating of 31%.

Sometimes doing the right thing isn’t always the popular thing. Personally, I’m glad to have someone in office who doesn’t govern by the polls, for a change.

I get the feeling this adminstration could do about anything and it wouldn’t be a good reason to you.

Just as I get the feeling that no matter what the administration did you will find something wrong with it, no matter what. So what does that prove?

HA! How so?

Wow, you really are in the dark, aren’t you? Let’s see:

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Here’s a gem from that link:

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Let’s not forget FBI Director Freeh:

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Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia.

Charles Krauthammer:

Otherwise, the period between 1993 and 2001 was a waste, eight years of sleepwalking, of the absurd pursuit of one treaty more useless than the last, while the rising threat—Islamic terrorism—was treated as a problem of law enforcement.

Who was President from 1993-2001??

So, shall I save you the trouble and call all these sources right wing, Bush loving, Clinton hating, loyalists or will you??

From the 1993 Bombing of the WTC to Kohbar towers to USS Cole to the African embassy bombing, Clinton did nothing to combat these forces and we paid for it with 9/11.

Your tirade against the MSM grows tired.

As tiring as your Bush hating, conservative bashing tirades.

We publish this on the internet now for all to see, didn’t you hear?

Indeed I did. Perhaps if people were’nt screaming that Bush is a liar every 10 seconds, he wouldn’t have to publish it. More importantly, what do you think of them finding nuclear bomb plans in Iraq??
I also understand the site was taken down. That’s a bit different that handing the Iranians an actual blueprint for a bomb, I’m afraid.

Rioting in France?

Yes there has been, but not to the same scale as last year. You were saying something about the MSM???

Remember, Information is power – you should demand more of it.

Your tirade against the MSM grows tired. Both the far-left and far-right complain about them. Makes me wonder if they’re not actually in the middle. Don’t read the MSM if you don’t like it.

Rioting in France? I’m not following where you’re going with this, sorry. Has there been more rioting since last year?

I know, you think Pelosi is the anti-Christ. That doesn’t change Bush’s approval rating of 31%. In fact, knowing who Pelosi is has no bearing on recognizing our decider-in-chief is inept. Unless you’re an unwavering partisan Republican apparently.

I’d like it to be for the right reason
I get the feeling this adminstration could do about anything and it wouldn’t be a good reason to you. Corruption to me is no bid contracts in Iraq, manipulation, distortion and supression of science for political (or personal) gain, questionable contracts for Katrina cleanup, and cronyism resulting in inept or corrupt adminstration of our government agencies.

K-street project? That’s the best you got?
Thats all I need. Problem is there is so much more. What is it about the K-street project that you thinks serves us so well? You can thank it for a Democratic congressional majority, that’s all I can think of.

asleep at the wheel as Islamic extremism grew into a dangerous threat on their watch HA! How so?

has basically given the Iranians a blueprint on a nuclear bomb; We publish this on the internet now for all to see, didn’t you hear?

Remember Tom, Information is power – you should demand more of it.

This administration doesn’t have much credibility in my opinion as well as a mjority of Americans and a majority internationally. No arguing that.

In today’s world of demographics, most pollsters can get the result they are looking for. Even if they asked 100 percent Republican’s about the “Credibility” of this administartion, but only Republicans in Conn, I bet they would get a response that would make the President look bad. Then they could report, we took a poll of Republicans…blah blah blah. From what I see the rest of the world is fighting radicals in the Islamic Religion, and won’t even acknowledge the fight. Where is their credibilty?? I say they have none. When’s the last time we heard any MSM outlet talk about the rioting that is STILL going on in France??? Tom seriously, the MSM takes you for granted. You would be wise to look abit deeper into these things. – Lorica

And in a recent poll, most Americans had no clue as to who Nancy Pelosi was, so forgive me if I feel that the American public have been the victim of a propoganda campaign that even Joseph Goebbels would be proud of.

but if there was corruption in this adminstration, I want it uncovered. Don’t you?

Of course, but I’d like it to be for the right reason, rather than revenge. If I thought that such investigations were to uncover “corruption” rather than revenge, I might support it a bit more. Not to mention, what constitutes “corruption”? Will it be a simple question about a program? Will that be enough to fire up congressional investigations for months? You might as well plan on having investigations into every Presidency from here on out, simply because parties want to dig up dirt on the other side.

K-street project? That’s the best you got? Personally I dont know how liberals continue to support a party that has been asleep at the wheel as Islamic extremism grew into a dangerous threat on their watch; has basically given the Iranians a blueprint on a nuclear bomb; got duped by N. Korea after giving bribes to them and then they continued their nuclear research while the dems sat back here patting themselves on the back.

Which do you think is more important?

IM, I don’t agree with the premise. The US has less influence and credibility internationally now than we did 10 years ago?

NC Cop: I’m glad you amused. This administration doesn’t have much credibility in my opinion as well as a mjority of Americans and a majority internationally. No arguing that. And this has nothing to do with thinking the Dems are incorruptible. Clearly they are not, but if there was corruption in this adminstration, I want it uncovered. Don’t you? If this congress was still controlled by Republicans, I would want (but not expect) them to investigate also. Corruption in government should not tolerated by any party- and for independent voters, judging by election results, it isn’t, thankfully. Why conservatives continue to endorse a party that invented the “K-Street Project” is beyond me. If there is nothing to hide, there is little harm to congressional investigations. Information is power – you should demand more of it.

Payback for Clinton, enough said.

Reducing the administrations credibility? It hasn’t got a whole lot left.

In your opinion.

Do you think the Dems want Cheney at the wheel?

Seems to me that dems don’t plan ahead very well. With Nancy Pelosi at the helm, you only have to look at the people she represented, namely San Francisco, to see where she comes from.

A little sunshine to kill the mold, you might say.

I love how you refer to the dems as if they are some untouchable, incorruptable, force for good, it’s so amusing.

Oh, so you want the President weakened even further and American power and influence with it? Isn’t that cutting off your nose to spite your face?