Again? That trick never works!

This time fer shure.

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In other words, more crap from the wonderful folks who brought us Iraq. The same crap we’ve been hearing from them since the “Who Lost China?” days–and they’ve been wrong every time. I am amazed anyone is still paying attention to them.

How can anyone believe that the moderates would be on our side if we disrupt their oil facilities?

The best solution (and a solution is needed) is to turn the CIA lose on the jackass in charge over there.

I get the feeling you only read the portion posted by Sis. Your objections were addressed by Herman in his essay. Particularly so, the Russian/Chinese question. Their main concern is the oil. Herman presented the strategy with the continuation of oil flow as benefiting those who would most object to the action. Read the whole thing. It sounds good to me.

John Forbes Kerry just can’t seem to get past his past. He keeps repeating his own history.
As a Vietnam Vet, Kerry met with the Vietcong in France, even while American Soldiers were serving in Vietnam. He was in France secretly wining and dining…

No, not more than that, but we’d best make sure we’re prepared before we take any such action. Sanity makes some very good points. We’d need to beef up the military, for one, unless you’re prepared to strip other theaters clean. I’d prefer to build up anyway, just on general principles.

Once we do that, there’s no doubt we could accomplish the military objectives. It’s the political side that would be the problem. The usual weasels, especially the ones getting rich on Iranian oil contracts, would be hurling accusations of aggression at the top of their lungs. We’d likely have some strained confrontations with Russia and China. And our own dear moonbat left would be shrieking like you’ve never heard before. When they’re not prancing around in giant papier-mache heads, that is.

I’m not disagreeing with Mr. Herman’s strategy. But a president who tries to implement it had better have political nerve and skill like no one since Reagan. Maybe even more than Reagan.

What was asked was to critique in a way, the strategy that was put out above.

I’d really like to see an engaging flame-free discussion of this proposal in the comments section, because, whether some people want to admit it or not, Iran is a very serious threat and something is going to have to be done about them – not later, but sooner. What that “something” is, however, is the big question.

I did outline some of the things that will be necessary that I don’t believe this plan takes into account – things like China and Russia.

Whether we like it or not, we cannot go it alone against multiple nations. Iran? Syria? North Korea? Possibly Russia and China?

We would never have the will of the people for such an assault, so that is another thing to consider, because anything like this will take a long time, hell it took 12 years of sanctions just on Saddam, and lot it did there.

Do you really believe Americans have the Will anymore for anything extended?

Much of this generation is the generation of NOW, they want things instantly, or very soon. You can see that in some of the responses to the war as it is now.

Our enemies see the US as weak, and a strike like this would definately be a suprise to them becasue as it stands with everything they hear out of washington and the press, the american people don’t have the will to stay very long. If they can keep it up a little longer they can win. I can bet you that is what they think.

The US shows to much weakness with all these idiot senators that want to talk with Iran and Syria. Who needs to be talked to is China and Russia. Rumor was on drudge China has been looking at special ops to go in and take out bad hair day crazy man.

Report: China weighs covert ops to overthrow North Korea’s Kim

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That would get North Korea under control, I would hope.

And Russia is helping arm Iran…

Russia has begun deliveries of the Tor-M1 air defence rocket system to Iran, Russian news agencies quoted military industry sources as saying, in the latest sign of a Russian-US rift over Iran.

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Moscow has consistently defended its weapons trade with Iran. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said the contract for 29 rocket systems, signed in December last year, was legitimate because the Tor-M1 has a purely defensive role.

ITAR-TASS reported that the rockets were to be deployed around Iran’s nuclear sites, including the still incomplete, Russian-built atomic power station at Bushehr.

Russia and China are major players in this because nothing will get done with them in the way…

Russia and China, which have major commercial ties with Iran, have been pushing for dialogue instead of U.N. punishment of Iran for its nuclear activities.

A draft U.N. Security Council resolution circulated Dec. 8 by France and Britain drops all mention of Bushehr in an apparent hope of winning Russia’s support. An earlier European draft that Russia opposed would have exempted the Bushehr nuclear plant, but not the nuclear fuel needed for the reactor.

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The Bushehr nuclear plant is being built by the Russians for Iran.

Russia and China are main roadblocks in anything that will be needed to be done to Iran.

Meanwhile Russia seems to be pushing for more control over natural resources:

$20bn gas project seized by Russia

Shell is being forced by the Russian government to hand over its controlling stake in the world’s biggest liquefied gas project, provoking fresh fears about the Kremlin’s willingness to use the country’s growing strength in natural resources as a political weapon.

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Russia and China are big needers and wanters of Oil, and guess what Iran has……Do you think China and Russia will honestly side with anything that may hamper them getting their hands on increasingly more oil?

To make anything done with Iran successful we need consensus on major points:

- The will of the American People to see things through.

- The media to be less biased and more reporting of all sides, not just the enemies side.

- A way to keep Russia and China from intefering.

- A way to keep North Korea and Russia from sharing and selling weapons to Iran.

- And leadership.

I think if we get those above points under control, a blockade and sanctions how it was outlined in the above article could work, but unless we take care of these other things before hand, it will fail.

More consequences than doing nothing? Are you willing to bet your life on that? (because you are)

Yet the continue to fight, to believe and to actively work toward success….another word many seem to have forgotton the meaning of. Is it SO much to ask us to help them with a little moral support? It is too much for some… not for me.

As for any kind of strikes, it would have to be all at the same time so they could not muster anything. No leaking word to another state leader that will give them a call to warn them.

We will also have to deal with the eventual backlash from this, since the world seems to be giving Iran a pass on all the rhetoric and talk of wiping another country off the map, obtaining Nukes, ect; I am quite certain that if we did such a thing that the world, as always, will use this as a way to praise and help Iran, and denounce the US as evil and the usual threats against the US because of these actions.

Another thing to consider is China and Russia, they are both helping Iran. If I am not mistaken those anti-aircraft that have been placed around some of their sites are Russian. I will have to verify that though. So any thing we do with Iran and Syria will have to be done or have to consider what we need to do to get China and Russia to side with us or at least not intefere. North Korea is another one that is a problem in that Iran and North Korea have been sharing certain technologies, care to guess which?

Do we have the military and naval capabilities to blackade Iran, and North Korea?

It is all well and good to say this is what we should do, BUT what do you do if Iran pushes back with strikes against the blockades?

Are you ready to commit to more bombing in Iran?

What will you do when Iran says this is an act of war…and states they are now at war with the US?

The above will definately have consequences, and before any of that happens we better make sure we have the key players involved and either nuetralized or on our side…key players being Russia and China.

Far far better than allowing freelancing.