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Doug is a lawyer, and is eligible for a commission in the JAG as an officer. If he is over 41, he can apply for a waiver.

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David, I’d settle for the libs speaking truth every now and then, period.

Lorica, actually, you did say that Rice knows better than Boxes: “She understands better than either you or I or Boxer could imagine.”

Understanding is not knowing, I cannot or do not judge what a person understands as I don’t know that person’s heart. What I was trying to say is, it is not Boxers place or mine or yours to judge what in in Rice’s heart, or the compassion that she has for our troops and their families.

However, they did not die in a war of choice sold to the American people by lies.
I don’t know what lies you are talking about Carol. Unless you are discussing Joe Wilson, but as far as I know the 3 things President Bush told us in the run up to this war were all the truth.

On Joe Wilson’s lying:
http://www.slate.com/id/2139609/?nav/fo/

Read the article, do you believe for a moment that Sadamn just wanted to make nice with the people of Niger?? If so, please remember this is the man who fed people into industrial shredders, because he thought they were beneath him.

As for the rest, Sadamn got due justice for his crimes. He was hung for the genocide that he caused against the peoples of Iraq. I can show you the photographs of the mass graves, bodies still in them, they are not a pretty sight. This is what some of the enemy wants to return to. This is what your Son fights against. Again don’t believe me, do a web search for Falujah and the torture rooms that we destroyed there.

As some people suggest in other posts is that if we pull out it would cause some very serious tragic circumstances. If we pulled out and let this disolve into a real civil war, how many hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis are going to die?? What good will would there be to let Sunni and Shite fight until one of the other is victor?? We would lose face not just to the Iraqis, but to the world. We have no choice we must win this war, because the War on Terror is now in Iraq. You don’t have to believe me, do your own research. Here are some Google searches for you.

Mass Graves:
http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=ci&searchfor=Mass+Graves+Iraq

Fallujah:
http://search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml?st=site&ptnrS=ci&searchfor=Fallujah+torture+rooms+

These are the people who had power or who want power in Iraq. I pray they never get it for the sake of the people of Iraq. Again I say, God Bless you and your Son’s sacrifice, and I pray for his safe return home, to a Mother who obviously loves him. – Lorica

“If arrogance was a country, Senator Boxer would be the queen of it.”

When “progressives” achieve positions of power, they rarely seem to spend any time reflecting on their increased responsibilities. Instead, they either posture as powerless victims (Boxer) or exalt their own strengh and “holiness.” (Pelosi)

First of all, I think I can speak for everyone here in saying we honor your son’s service to America, and pray for him and the rest of the troops to return home safe, whole, and victorious.

That said, war is an ugly business, and people are going to be maimed or die in wars. You understand that, so does everyone who’s posted here, and I daresay Dr. Rice does as well. And that’s precisely what makes Boxer’s comment so contemptible.

Would you be so foolish as to say, for example, that no one has a stake in the economy unless you have a banker in the family? Of course not. You understand how we’re all affected by a good or bad economy. That exact same principle holds for the WOT. For Boxer to claim that Dr. Rice is not affected by the course of events in the Middle East in nothing more than mean-spirited nonsense, and you really ought to reconsider your “100%” support.

ST is spot on in pointing out the similarity to the old, discredited chickenhawk theme. I really doubt you’d be comfortable with following Boxer’s views to their logical conclusion, since that would mean the professional military people – and ONLY the professional military people – could air their views on any such matter. Among others, you’d see the likes of Boxer, Kennedy, Pelosi, and Clinton gagged. As appealing as that might sound, it isn’t the right way to go.

Think further about the implications of what Boxer says. Do you really support, 100%, the idea that:

* no unmarried working woman (or man, for that matter) has a right to an opinion on the WOT?
* no lesbian has the right to an opinion on the WOT?
* Boxer herself, or any senior citizen, has no right to an opinion on the WOT?

Finally, Boxer and you are both completely wrong if you think that not everyone has a clear stake in the battle against islamofascism. Al Qaeda understands that Iraq is central to the battle. That’s why they continue to confront us there. If we run home, as Boxer and you would have us do, they’ll be close behind. And when there suicide bombers are operating HERE again, you and your whole family will be a hell of a lot more likely to pay a price than you do now.

But that statement which can be quibbled with shows a living in the past mentality I submit to you respectfully.

We are there now and it would be irresponsible if after removing a government we leave causing a humanitarian crisis. If they don’t want us there as you keep repeating then they should lay down their arms for a year to give us an indication that our job is DONE and then we can go home and then they can pick right back up governing themselves completely. Unfortunately for your argument, it is not based in logic (again I submit to you respectfully) because it is not just because they want us to leave because they could get us to leave faster by doing what I said. What they do not want is an Iraq that is democratic. Iran nor Syria want a country bordering them that is prosperous and where the people learn better and receive better health care, etc. They want to keep Iraq in worse condition then them. That Carol is what they want.

We spent 7 and 10 years rebuilding Japan and Germany because we are a responsible nation and we are doing the same with Iraq.

As for this threads topic:
You write repeatedly with emotion concerning the lives of our men and I applaud you for caring. But it isn’t to be used as a trump card by you when debating ideas. I lost my love of my life on July 8th (half a year ago) and I do not use her passing as a trump card in any argument giving me moral authority on ANY issue. It is imperative that we remain caring people but it is also imperative that we don’t think that others aren’t allowed to make decisions or SPEAK because they don’t have loved ones that could be impacted. Leaders of all types make decisions for the good of ALL (unless they are leaders who are not thinking of everyone). You may question Bush’s integrity but he has a perspective and has given you his point of view repeatedly that this is a global war on terror which is being waged not just militarily and if we fail in Iraq the fascists are not just staying there in Iraq. They have repeatedly said that they plan on creating a Middle East Islamic Caliphate. Becoming dominant in Europe and America using the resources (oil) that they would control and while I don’t have a new love, I don’t want you Carol to have to wear a burka.

I will not submit to Islam. I only submit to women.

I hope that you can one day hear the perspective. It’s one of the hardest thing for partner’s in a relationship to do when they have an argument is to hear the other’s perspective. It is just as important in this debate as a married relationship because otherwise you continue to treat Bush as somebody who is making arguments with no integrity and it only makes you madder because you discredit and discount his point of view. You would think of him and Rice as uncaring and it does nothing for the discourse. It gives us a repeated discourse that does nothing and goes in circles.

I apparecite what you are saying, however, I think you may be missing the point of this post. Did Boxer really want to drag Condi in front of a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing so she could ask her who pays the price? Everybody knows who pays the price in time of war, the military members and their families. This is not some new phenomenon that just occurred under the Bush administration. It has been going on since this country was founded. Boxer is doing nothing more than posturing and scoring political points. She is grandstanding for the anti-war crowd.

Personally I dont have a problem with Iraqis wanting us out of their country. In a similar situation, I would probably feel the same. There’s a difference between not wanting troops in your country and trying to blow them up. I spent 14 months in Iraq and I met many Iraqis who appreciated what America did for them, but still wanted us gone. There is nothing wrong with that. Not to mention if run around Iraq singing the praises of the American army you are likely to come home and find your family executed, it happened more than once while I was there.

If you don’t understand what America has done for Iraq I encourage you to visit:

The other Iraq

Regardless of what the Shia or Sunnis do with their freedom, rest assured, your son and all of his friends have guaranteed that the Kurds will no longer face extermination at the hands of Saddam. That’s 5 million people who no longer have to worry about their loved ones ending up in a mass grave. Not to mention they are busy building roads, schools, hospitals, and museums with little to no U.S. help. Judging all Iraqis by the actions of one city would be like judging all Americans by the actions of gang lands in Los Angeles.

What last part is completely wrong. What I say about the KLA or what I say to Carol? – Lorica