Comments on: Al Gore doesn’t want to debate global warming http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:28:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-679884 Severian Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:41:20 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-679884 It gets even worse ST: <em>Update (p.m.): If you're wondering about this procedure which, to my knowledge, is unprecedented in public commission reporting, here's what IPCC procedures (section 4) say about Technical Report acceptance: <strong>Changes</strong> (other than grammatical or minor editorial changes) made after acceptance by the Working Group or the Panel <strong>shall be those necessary to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policymakers or the Overview Chapter.</strong> <strong>So the purpose of the three-month delay between the publication of the Summary for Policy-Makers and the release of the actual WG1 is to enable them to make any "necessary" adjustments to the technical report to match the policy summary. Unbelievable. </strong>Can you imagine what securities commissions would say if business promoters issued a big promotion and then the promoters made the "necessary" adjustments to the qualifying reports and financial statements so that they matched the promotion. Words fail me. IPCC insiders should not be allowed to change a comma of the WG1 Report after Feb 2, 2007 to "ensure consistency" with the Summary. If the two are inconsistent, let the chips fall where they may. </em> <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1101" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>Link</strong></a> So, they are up to their old tricks again. Also, they closed off acceptance of papers before the recent ones published showing that the oceans have been cooling for the past 2-3 years, and deliberately did not go back and incorporate that data as it completely destroys their model based ramblings. But talking to people like Bob is a waste of time, he is a fundamentalist on this issue, with a completely closed mind, as sadly so many others are. Unlike most of us, these people actually seem to enjoy it when people pee on their heads and tell them it's raining. Hopefully, though, the links and information in this thread will prove enlightening to more open minded and rational people, which is the entire reason I kept posting. It was obvious from the start that Bob would never actually read or think about this for himself, you can only hope that the thread will prove enlightening to others. Having sat on peer review panels, and panels choosing which articles are to be accepted for publication, I am fully aware of how political and pet theory biases can impact what gets published. I have over 20 published scientific and technical papers and have co-authored two books, so I don't need others to "explain" the system to me, especially people who have absolutely no experience with this. <a href="http://www.stats.org/stories/2007/paranoid_park_slope_jan24_07.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>This</strong></a> article is an excellent look at the kind of mindset that the environmental extremists have and which leads to the kind of inane overreaction we see on a daily basis out of them. ;) It gets even worse ST:

Update (p.m.): If you’re wondering about this procedure which, to my knowledge, is unprecedented in public commission reporting, here’s what IPCC procedures (section 4) say about Technical Report acceptance:

Changes (other than grammatical or minor editorial changes) made after acceptance by the Working Group or the Panel shall be those necessary to ensure consistency with the Summary for Policymakers or the Overview Chapter.

So the purpose of the three-month delay between the publication of the Summary for Policy-Makers and the release of the actual WG1 is to enable them to make any “necessary” adjustments to the technical report to match the policy summary. Unbelievable. Can you imagine what securities commissions would say if business promoters issued a big promotion and then the promoters made the “necessary” adjustments to the qualifying reports and financial statements so that they matched the promotion. Words fail me.

IPCC insiders should not be allowed to change a comma of the WG1 Report after Feb 2, 2007 to “ensure consistency” with the Summary. If the two are inconsistent, let the chips fall where they may.

Link

So, they are up to their old tricks again. Also, they closed off acceptance of papers before the recent ones published showing that the oceans have been cooling for the past 2-3 years, and deliberately did not go back and incorporate that data as it completely destroys their model based ramblings.

But talking to people like Bob is a waste of time, he is a fundamentalist on this issue, with a completely closed mind, as sadly so many others are. Unlike most of us, these people actually seem to enjoy it when people pee on their heads and tell them it’s raining. Hopefully, though, the links and information in this thread will prove enlightening to more open minded and rational people, which is the entire reason I kept posting. It was obvious from the start that Bob would never actually read or think about this for himself, you can only hope that the thread will prove enlightening to others.

Having sat on peer review panels, and panels choosing which articles are to be accepted for publication, I am fully aware of how political and pet theory biases can impact what gets published. I have over 20 published scientific and technical papers and have co-authored two books, so I don’t need others to “explain” the system to me, especially people who have absolutely no experience with this.

This article is an excellent look at the kind of mindset that the environmental extremists have and which leads to the kind of inane overreaction we see on a daily basis out of them. ;)

]]> By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-679859 Sister Toldjah Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:01:45 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-679859 Bob, I think you put too much stock in the IPCC, which has proved itself to be <a href="http://www.sepp.org/Archive/controv/ipcccont/Item05.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>untrustworthy and duplicitous</strong></a> (emphasis added): <blockquote>A Major Deception on Global Warming Op-Ed by Frederick Seitz Wall Street Journal, June 12, 1996 Last week the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations organization regarded by many as the best source of scientific information about the human impact on the earth's climate, released "The Science of Climate Change 1995," its first new report in five years. The report will surely be hailed as the latest and most authoritative statement on global warming. Policy makers and the press around the world will likely view the report as the basis for critical decisions on energy policy that would have an enormous impact on U.S. oil and gas prices and on the international economy. This IPCC report, like all others, is held in such high regard largely because it has been peer-reviewed. That is, it has been read, discussed, modified and approved by an international body of experts. These scientists have laid their reputations on the line. <strong>But this report is not what it appears to be--it is not the version that was approved by the contributing scientists listed on the title page. In my more than 60 years as a member of the American scientific community, including service as president of both the National Academy of Sciences and the American Physical Society, I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report. A comparison between the report approved by the contributing scientists and the published version reveals that key changes were made after the scientists had met and accepted what they thought was the final peer-reviewed version. The scientists were assuming that the IPCC would obey the IPCC Rules--a body of regulations that is supposed to govern the panel's actions. Nothing in the IPCC Rules permits anyone to change a scientific report after it has been accepted by the panel of scientific contributors and the full IPCC. The participating scientists accepted "The Science of Climate Change" in Madrid last November; the full IPCC accepted it the following month in Rome. But more than 15 sections in Chapter 8 of the report--the key chapter setting out the scientific evidence for and against a human influence over climate--were changed or deleted after the scientists charged with examining this question had accepted the supposedly final text. Few of these changes were merely cosmetic; nearly all worked to remove hints of the skepticism with which many scientists regard claims that human activities are having a major impact on climate in general and on global warming in particular.</strong> The following passages are examples of those included in the approved report but deleted from the supposedly peer-reviewed published version: "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases." "No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed to date] to anthropogenic [man-made] causes." "Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced."</blockquote> That was from the mid-90s. How can we trust that the same tactics haven't been used again today? Furthermore, why would the IPCC feel the need to do such a thing in the first place? Bob, I think you put too much stock in the IPCC, which has proved itself to be untrustworthy and duplicitous (emphasis added):

A Major Deception on Global Warming
Op-Ed by Frederick Seitz
Wall Street Journal, June 12, 1996

Last week the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations organization regarded by many as the best source of scientific information about the human impact on the earth’s climate, released “The Science of Climate Change 1995,” its first new report in five years. The report will surely be hailed as the latest and most authoritative statement on global warming. Policy makers and the press around the world will likely view the report as the basis for critical decisions on energy policy that would have an enormous impact on U.S. oil and gas prices and on the international economy.

This IPCC report, like all others, is held in such high regard largely because it has been peer-reviewed. That is, it has been read, discussed, modified and approved by an international body of experts. These scientists have laid their reputations on the line. But this report is not what it appears to be–it is not the version that was approved by the contributing scientists listed on the title page. In my more than 60 years as a member of the American scientific community, including service as president of both the National Academy of Sciences and the American Physical Society, I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.

A comparison between the report approved by the contributing scientists and the published version reveals that key changes were made after the scientists had met and accepted what they thought was the final peer-reviewed version. The scientists were assuming that the IPCC would obey the IPCC Rules–a body of regulations that is supposed to govern the panel’s actions. Nothing in the IPCC Rules permits anyone to change a scientific report after it has been accepted by the panel of scientific contributors and the full IPCC.

The participating scientists accepted “The Science of Climate Change” in Madrid last November; the full IPCC accepted it the following month in Rome. But more than 15 sections in Chapter 8 of the report–the key chapter setting out the scientific evidence for and against a human influence over climate–were changed or deleted after the scientists charged with examining this question had accepted the supposedly final text.

Few of these changes were merely cosmetic; nearly all worked to remove hints of the skepticism with which many scientists regard claims that human activities are having a major impact on climate in general and on global warming in particular.

The following passages are examples of those included in the approved report but deleted from the supposedly peer-reviewed published version:

“None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases.”

“No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed to date] to anthropogenic [man-made] causes.”

“Any claims of positive detection of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced.”

That was from the mid-90s. How can we trust that the same tactics haven’t been used again today? Furthermore, why would the IPCC feel the need to do such a thing in the first place?

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-679332 Bob Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:45:22 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-679332 Severian, you <i>had</i> to expect this. The following is the list of contributors to the IPCC 2001 report (apologies to Sister Toldjah for wasting her bandwidth. Sister he <i>made</i> me do it, I swear!). Severian, we've beaten on each other long enough and it's reaching an absurd degree. Howzabout we call a truce and consider this topic beaten like a dead horse? It's been fun -- really. I'll give you the last word to insult me some more. Best Regards . . . --Bob <b>Annex A. Authors and Expert Reviewers</b> Argentina Daniel Bouille Fundecion Bariloche Marcelo Cabido IMBIV, University of Cordoba Osvaldo F. Canziani Co-Chair, WGII Rodolfo Carcavallo Department of Entomology Jorge O. Codignotto Laboratorio Geologia y Dinamica Costera Martin de Zuviria Aeroterra S.A. Sandra Myrna Diaz Instituto Multidisciplinario de Biologia Vegetal Jorge Frangi Universidad Nacional de la Plata Hector Ginzo Instituto de Neurobiologia Osvaldo Girardin Fundacion Bariloche Carlos Labraga Consejo Nacional de Investigaciones Cientificas y Tecnicas, Centro Nactional Patagonico Gabriel Soler Fundacion Instituto Latinoamericano de Politicas Sociales (ILAPS) Walter Vargas University of Buenos Aires - IEIMA Ernesto F. Viglizzo PROCISUR/INTO/CONICET Australia Susan Barrell Bureau of Meteorology Bryson Bates CSIRO Ian Carruthers Australian Greenhouse Office Habiba Gitay Australian National University John A. Church CSIRO Division of Oceanography Ove Hoegh-Guldberg The University of Queensland Roger Jones CSIRO Atmospheric Research Bryant McAvaney Bureau of Meteorology Research Centre Chris Mitchell CSIRO Atmosphere Research Ian Noble Australian National University Barrie Pittock CSIRO (Climate Impact Group) Andy Reisinger Ministry for the Environment B. Soderbaum Greenhouse Policy Office, Australian Greenhouse Office Greg Terrill Australian Greenhouse Office Kevin Walsh Principal Research Scientist CSIRO Atmospheric Research John Zillman Vice-Chair, WGI Austria Renate Christ IPCC Secretariat Helmut Hojesky Federal Ministry for Environment K. Radunsky Federal Environment Agency Bangladesh Q.K. Ahmad Bangladesh Unnayan Parishad Barbados Leonard Nurse Coastal Zone Management Unit Belgium Philippe Huybrechts Vrije Universiteit Brussel C. Vinckier Department of Chemistry, KULeuven R. Zander University of Liege Benin Epiphane Dotou Ahlonsou Service Météorologique National Michel Boko Universite de Bourgogne Annex A Authors and Expert Reviewers Bosnia Permanent Mission of Bosnia & Herzegovina Botswana Pauline O. Dube University of Botswana Brazil Gylvan Meira Filho Vice-Chair, IPCC Jose Roberto Moreira Biomass User Network (BUN ) Canada Brad Bass Environment Canada James P. Bruce Canadian Climate Program Board Margo Burgess Natural Resources Canada Wenjun Chen Natural Resources Canada Jing Chen University of Toronto Stewart J. Cohen Environment Canada Patti Edwards Environment Canada David Etkin Environment Canada Darren Goetze Environment Canada J. Peter Hall Canadian Forest Service H. Hengeveld Environment Canada Pamela Kertland Natural Resources Canada Abdel Maaroud Environment Canada Joan Masterton Environment Canada Chris McDermott Environment Canada Brian Mills Environment Canada Linda Mortsch Environment Canada Tad Murty Baird and Associates Coastal Engineers Paul Parker University of Waterloo John Robinson University of British Columbia Hans-Holger Rogner University of Victoria Daniel Scott Environment Canada Sharon Smith Natural Resources Canada Barry Smit University of Guelph John Stone Vice-Chair, WGI Tana Lowen Stratton Dept. Foreign Affairs and International Trade Roger Street Environment Canada Eric Taylor Natural Resources Canada G. Daniel Williams Environment Canada (retired) Chile E. Basso Independent Consultant China Du Bilan China Institute for Marine Development Strategy Z. Chen China Meteorological Administration Liu Chunzhen Hydrological Forecasting & Water Control Center Zhou Dadi Energy Research Institute Qin Dahe China Meteorological Administration Xiaosu Dai IPCC WGI TSU Lin Erda Chinese Academy of Agricultural Science Mingshan Su Tsinghua University Yihui Ding Co-Chair, WGI Guangsheng Zhou Chinese Academy of Sciences Z.C. Zhao National Climate Center Cuba Ramon Pichs-Madruga Vice-Chair, WGIII A.G. Suarez Cuban Environmental Agency Czech Republic Jan Pretel Vice-Chair, WGII Denmark Jesper Gundermann Danish Energy Agency Kirsten Halsnaes Riso International Laboratory Erik Rasmussen Danish Energy Agency Martin Stendel Danish Meteorological Institute Finland Timothy Carter Finnish Environment Institute P. Heikinheimo Ministry of Environment Raino Heino Finnish Meteorological Institute Pekka E. Kauppi University of Helsinki R. Korhonen VTT Energy A. Lampinen University of Jyväskyla I. Savolainen VTT Energy France Olivier Boucher Universite de Lille I Marc Darras Gaz de France Jane Ellis OECD Jean-Charles Hourcade CIRED/CNRS J.C. Morlot Environment Department M. Petit Ecole Polytechnique Gambia B.E. Gomez Department of Water Resources M. Njie Department of Water Resources Germany Heinz-Jurgen Ahlgrimm Institute for Technology & Biosystems Rosemarie Benndorf Umweltbundesamt Peter Burschel Technische Universitat Munchen Ulrich Cubasch Max Planck Institut für Meteorologie U. Fuentes German Advisory Council on Global Change Joanna HouseMax Planck Inst. Biogeochemie Jucundus Jacobeit Universitaet Wuerzburg Eberhard Jochem Vice-Chair, WGIII Harald Kohl Federal Ministry of the Environment Petra Mahrenholz Federal Environmental Agency of Germany I. Colin Prentice Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry C. le Quéré Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry Sarah Raper University of East Anglia Ferenc Toth Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Manfred Treber Germanwatch R. Sartorius Umweltbundesamt Michael Weber Ludwig-Maximilians Universität München Gerd-Rainer Weber Gesamtverband des Deutschen Steinkohlenberghaus Hungary G. Koppany University of Szeged Halldor Thorgeirsson Ministry for the Environment India Murari Lal Indian Institute of Technology Rajendra K. Pachauri Tata Energy Research Institute N.H. Ravindranath Indian Institute of Sciences Priyadarshi Shukla Indian Institute of Management Leena Srivastava Tata Energy Research Institute Indonesia R.T.M. Sutamihardja Vice-Chair, WGIII Israel Simon Krichak Tel Aviv University Italy Filippo Giorgi Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics (ICTP) Annarita Mariotti ENEA Climate Section Japan Kazuo Asakura Central Research Institute (CRIEPI) Noriyuki Goto University of Tokyo, Komaba Mariko Handa Organization for Landscape and Urban Greenery Technology Development Hideo Harasawa Social and Environmental Systems Division Yasuo Hosoya Tokyo Electric Power Company Y. Igarashi Ministry of Foreign Affairs Takeshi Imai The Kansai Electric Power Co., Inc. M. Inoue Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry Hisashi Kato Central Research Institute of Electric Power Industry Naoki Matsuo Global Industrial and Social Progress Research Institute (GISPRI) Hisayoshi Morisugi Tohoku University Tsuneyuki Morita National Institute for Environmental Studies Shinichi Nagata Environment Agency S. Nakagawa Japan Meteorological Agency Yoshiaki Nishimura Central Research Institute of Electric Power Industry Ichiro Sadamori Global Industrial and Social Progress Research Institute (GISPRI) Akihiko Sasaki National Institute of Public Health Shojiro Sato Chuba Electric Power Co. A. Takeuchi Japan Meteorological Agency Kanako Tanaka Global Industrial and Social Progress Tomihiro Taniguchi Vice-Chair, IPCC Kenya Richard S. Odingo Vice-Chair, WGIII Kingiri Senelwa Moi University Malawi Paul Desanker University of Virginia Mexico Gustavo Albin Permanent Representative Mission of Mexico Morocco Abdelkader Allali Ministry of Agriculture, Rural Development and Fishing Abdalah Mokssit Centre National du Climat et de Recherchco Meteorologiques Netherlands Alphonsus P.M. Baede Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI) T.A. Buishand Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute W.L. Hare Greenpeace International Catrinus J. Jepma University of Groningen E. Koekkoek Ministry of Housing, Spacial Planning and the Environment Rik Leemans National Institute of Public Health and Environmental Protection K. McKullen Greenpeace International Bert Metz Co-Chair, WGIII Leo Meyer Ministry of the Environment Maresa Oosterman Ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken M.B.A.M. Scheffers National Institute for Coastal and Marine Management Rob Swart Head, WGIII TSU H.M. ten Brink ECN Aad P. van Ulden Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute J. Verbeek Ministry of Transport, Public Works and Water Management New Zealand Jon Barnett Macmillan Brown Centre for Pacific Studies, University of Canterbury Vincent Gray Climate Consultant Wayne Hennessy Coal Research Association of New Zealand, Inc. Piers Maclaren NZ Forest Research Institute Martin Manning Vice-Chair, WGII Helen Plume Ministry for the Environment A. Reisinger Ministry for the Environment J. Salinger National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd (NIWA) Ralph Sims Massey University Niger Garba Goudou Dieudonne Office of the Prime Minister Nigeria Sani Sambo Abubakar Tafawa Balewa University Norway Torgrim Aspjell The Norwegian Pollution Control Authorities Oyvind Christophersen Ministry of Environment Eirik J. Forland Norwegian Meteorological Institute S. Gornas University of Bergen Jarle Inge Holten Terrestrial Ecology Research Snorre Kverndokk Frischsenteret/Frisch Centre A. Moene The Norwegian Meteorological Institute Audun Rossland The Norwegian Pollution Control Authorities Nils R. Saelthun Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Administration Tom Segalstad University of Oslom Norway S. Sundby Institute of Marine Research Kristian Tangen The Fridtjof Nansen Institute Oman Mohammed bin Ali Al-Hakmani Ministry of Regional Municipalities, Environment & Water Resources Pakistan Tariq Banuri Sustainable Development Policy Institute Peru Eduardo Calvo Vice-Chair, WGIII Nadia Gamboa Pontificia Universidad Catolica del Peru Phillipines Lewis H. Ziska International Rice Research Institute Poland Jan Dobrowolski Goetel's School of Environmental Protection & Engineering Zbyszek Kundzewicz Polish Academy of Sciences Miroslaw Mietus Institute of Meteorology & Water Management A. Olecka National Fund for Environmental Protection and Water Management M. Sadowski National Fund for Environmental Protection and Water Management Wojciech Suchorzewski Warsaw University of Technology Romania Vasile Cuculeanu National Institute of Meteorology and Hydrology Adriana Marica National Institute of Meteorology and Hydrology Russia Yurij Anokhin Institute of Global Climate & Ecology Oleg Anisimov State Hydrological Institute Igor Bashmakov Centre for Energy Efficiency (CENEF) Igor Karol Main Geophysical Observatory Alla Tsyban Institute of Global Climate and Ecology Yuri Izrael Vice-Chair, IPCC Senegal Alioune Ndiaye Vice-Chair, WGII Sierra Leone Ogunlade R. Davidson Co-chair, WGIII Slovak Republic Milan Lapin Comenius University South Africa Gerrie Coetzee Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism Bruce Hewitson University of Capetown Steve Lennon Eskom Robert J. Scholes CSIR Spain Sergio Alonso University of the Balearic Islands Francisco Ayala-Carcedo Geomining Technological Institute of Spain Luis Balairon National Meteorological Institute Felix Hernandez CSIC Don Antonio Labajo Salazar Government of Spain Maria-Carmen Llasat Botija University of Barcelona Josep Penuelas Center for Ecological Research & Forestry Applications Ana Yaber University, Complutense of Madrid Sri Lanka Mohan Munasinghe Vice-Chair, WGIII B. Punyawardena Department of Agriculture Sudan Nagmeldin Elhassan Higher Coucil for Environment & Natural Resources Sweden Marianne Lillieskold Swedish Environmental Protection Agency Ulf Molau University of Gothenburg Nils-Axel Morner Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Stockholm University Markku Rummukainen Swedish Meterorological and Hydrological Institute Switzerland Christof Appenzeller Federal Office of Meteorology and Climatology (MetroSwiss) Fortunat Joos Vice-Chair, WGI Herbert Lang Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich (ETH) José Romero Office Federal de l'Environnement, des Forets et du Paysage T. Stocker University of Bern Tanzania M.J. Mwandosya Centre for Energy, Environment, Science, and Technology Buruhani S. Nyenzi Vice-Chair, WGI United Kingdom Nigel Arnell University of Southampton C. Baker Natural Environment Research Council Terry Barker University of Cambridge K. G. Begg University of Surrey S.A. Boehmer-Christiansen University of Hull Richard Courtney The Libert K. Deyes Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Thomas E. Downing Environmental Change Institute University of Oxford Caroline Fish Global Atmosphere Division Chris Folland Met Office, Hadley Centre Jonathan Gregory Hadley Climate Research Centre Steve Gregory Forestry Commission David Griggs Head, WG-I TSU Joanna Haigh Imperial College M. Harley English Nature Susan Haseldine Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) John Houghton Co-Chair, WG-I Mike Hulme University of East Anglia Michael Jefferson World Energy Council Cathy Johnson IPCC, Working Group I Sari Kovats London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine David Mansell-Moullin International Petroleum Industry Environmental Conservation Association (IPIECA) Anil Markandya University of Bath A. McCulloch ICI Chemicals & Polymers Limited Gordon McFadyen Global Atmospheric Division Deparment of the Environment, Transport and the Regions A.J. McMichael London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Aubrey Meyer Global Commons Institute John Mitchell Hadley Center Martin Parry Jackson Environment Institute J.M. Penman Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions S. Raper University of East Anglia Keith Shine Department of Meteorology, University of Reading P. Singleton Scottish Environment Protection Agency Peter Smith IACR-Rothamsted P. Smithson University of Sheffield Peter Thorne School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia P. van der Linden Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research David Warrilow Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Philip L. Woodworth Bidston Observatory United States Dilip Ahuja National Institute of Advanced Studies Dan Albritton NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Jeffrey S. Amthor Oak Ridge National Laboratory Peter Backlund Office of Science and Technology Policy/Environment Division Lee Beck U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Leonard Bernstein IPIECA Daniel Bodansky U.S. Department of State Rick Bradley US Department of Energy James L. Buizer National Oceanic & Amtospheric Administration John Christy University of Alabama Susan Conard Office of Science and Technology Policy/Environment Division Curt Covey Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Benjamin DeAngelo U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Robert Dickinson University of Arizona David Dokken University Corporation for Atmospheric Research Rayola Dougher American Petroleum Institute William Easterling Pennsylvania State University Jerry Elwood Department of Enegry Paul R. Epstein Harvard Medical School Paul D. Farrar Naval Oceanographic Office Howard Feldman American Petroleum Institute Josh Foster NOAA Office of Global Programs Laurie Geller National Research Council Michael Ghil University of California, Los Angeles Vivien Gornitz Columbia University Kenneth Green Reason Public Policy Institute David Harrison National Economic Research Associates David D. Houghton University of Wisconsin-Madison Malcolm Hughes University of Arizona Stanley Jacobs Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University Henry D. Jacoby Massachusetts Institute of Technology Judson Jaffe Council of Economic Advisers Steven M. Japar Ford Motor Company Russell O. Jones American Petroleum Institute Sally Kane NOAA T. Karl NOAA National Climatic Data Center Charles Keller IGPP.SIO.UCSD Haroon Kheshgi Exxon Research & Engineering Company Ann Kinzig Arizona State University Maureen T. Koetz Nuclear Energy Institute Rattan Lal Ohio State Universtiy Chris Landsea NOAA AOML/Hurricane Research Division Neil Leary Head, WGII TSU Sven B. Lundstedt The Ohio State University Anthony Lupo University of Missouri - Columbia Michael C. MacCracken U.S. Global Change Research Program James J. McCarthy Co-Chair, WGII Gerald Meehl NCAR Robert Mendelsohn Yale University Patrick Michaels University of Virginia Evan Mills Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory William Moomaw The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University Berrien Moore University of New Hampshire James Morison University of Washington Jennifer Orme-Zavaleta USEP/NHEERL/WED Camille Parmesan University of Texas J.A. Patz Johns Hopkins University Joyce Penner University of Michigan Roger A. Pielke Colorado State University Michael Prather University of California Irvine Lynn K. Price Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory V. Ramaswamy NOAA Robert L. Randall The RainForest ReGeneration Institute Richard Richels Electric Power Research Institute David Rind National Aeronautics and Space Agency Catriona Rogers U.S. Global Change Research Program Matthias Ruth University of Maryland Jayant Sathaye Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Michael Schlesinger University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign Stephen Schneider Stanford University Michael J. Scott Battelle Pacific Northwest Nat'l Laboratory Roger Sedjo Resources for the Future Walter Short National Renewable Energy Laboratory Joel B. Smith Stratus Consulting Inc. Robert N. Stavins John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University Ron Stouffer US Dept of Commerce/NOAA T. Talley Office of Global Change, U.S. Department of State Kevin Trenberth NCAR Edward Vine Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Henry Walker U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Robert Watson Chair, IPCC Howard Wesoky Federal Aviation Administration John P. Weyant Energy Modeling Forum, Stanford University Tom Wilbanks Oak Ridge National Laboratory Venezuela Armando Ramirez Rojas Vice-Chair, WGI Zimbabwe Chris Magadza University of Zimbabwe M.C. Zinyowera MSU Zimbabwe Gvt Severian, you had to expect this. The following is the list of contributors to the IPCC 2001 report (apologies to Sister Toldjah for wasting her bandwidth. Sister he made me do it, I swear!). Severian, we’ve beaten on each other long enough and it’s reaching an absurd degree. Howzabout we call a truce and consider this topic beaten like a dead horse? It’s been fun — really. I’ll give you the last word to insult me some more. Best Regards . . .
–Bob

Annex A. Authors and Expert Reviewers

Argentina
Daniel Bouille Fundecion Bariloche
Marcelo Cabido IMBIV, University of Cordoba
Osvaldo F. Canziani Co-Chair, WGII
Rodolfo Carcavallo Department of Entomology
Jorge O. Codignotto Laboratorio Geologia y Dinamica Costera
Martin de Zuviria Aeroterra S.A.
Sandra Myrna Diaz Instituto Multidisciplinario de Biologia Vegetal
Jorge Frangi Universidad Nacional de la Plata
Hector Ginzo Instituto de Neurobiologia
Osvaldo Girardin Fundacion Bariloche
Carlos Labraga Consejo Nacional de Investigaciones Cientificas y Tecnicas, Centro Nactional Patagonico
Gabriel Soler Fundacion Instituto Latinoamericano de Politicas Sociales (ILAPS)
Walter Vargas University of Buenos Aires – IEIMA
Ernesto F. Viglizzo PROCISUR/INTO/CONICET

Australia
Susan Barrell Bureau of Meteorology
Bryson Bates CSIRO
Ian Carruthers Australian Greenhouse Office
Habiba Gitay Australian National University
John A. Church CSIRO Division of Oceanography
Ove Hoegh-Guldberg The University of Queensland
Roger Jones CSIRO Atmospheric Research
Bryant McAvaney Bureau of Meteorology Research Centre
Chris Mitchell CSIRO Atmosphere Research
Ian Noble Australian National University
Barrie Pittock CSIRO (Climate Impact Group)
Andy Reisinger Ministry for the Environment
B. Soderbaum Greenhouse Policy Office, Australian Greenhouse Office
Greg Terrill Australian Greenhouse Office
Kevin Walsh Principal Research Scientist CSIRO Atmospheric Research
John Zillman Vice-Chair, WGI

Austria
Renate Christ IPCC Secretariat
Helmut Hojesky Federal Ministry for Environment
K. Radunsky Federal Environment Agency

Bangladesh
Q.K. Ahmad Bangladesh Unnayan Parishad

Barbados
Leonard Nurse Coastal Zone Management Unit

Belgium
Philippe Huybrechts Vrije Universiteit Brussel
C. Vinckier Department of Chemistry, KULeuven
R. Zander University of Liege

Benin
Epiphane Dotou Ahlonsou Service Météorologique National
Michel Boko Universite de Bourgogne
Annex A Authors and Expert Reviewers

Bosnia
Permanent Mission of Bosnia & Herzegovina
Botswana
Pauline O. Dube University of Botswana

Brazil
Gylvan Meira Filho Vice-Chair, IPCC
Jose Roberto Moreira Biomass User Network (BUN )

Canada
Brad Bass Environment Canada
James P. Bruce Canadian Climate Program Board
Margo Burgess Natural Resources Canada
Wenjun Chen Natural Resources Canada
Jing Chen University of Toronto
Stewart J. Cohen Environment Canada
Patti Edwards Environment Canada
David Etkin Environment Canada
Darren Goetze Environment Canada
J. Peter Hall Canadian Forest Service
H. Hengeveld Environment Canada
Pamela Kertland Natural Resources Canada
Abdel Maaroud Environment Canada
Joan Masterton Environment Canada
Chris McDermott Environment Canada
Brian Mills Environment Canada
Linda Mortsch Environment Canada
Tad Murty Baird and Associates Coastal Engineers
Paul Parker University of Waterloo
John Robinson University of British Columbia
Hans-Holger Rogner University of Victoria
Daniel Scott Environment Canada
Sharon Smith Natural Resources Canada
Barry Smit University of Guelph
John Stone Vice-Chair, WGI
Tana Lowen Stratton Dept. Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Roger Street Environment Canada
Eric Taylor Natural Resources Canada
G. Daniel Williams Environment Canada (retired)

Chile
E. Basso Independent Consultant

China
Du Bilan China Institute for Marine Development Strategy
Z. Chen China Meteorological Administration
Liu Chunzhen Hydrological Forecasting & Water Control Center
Zhou Dadi Energy Research Institute
Qin Dahe China Meteorological Administration
Xiaosu Dai IPCC WGI TSU
Lin Erda Chinese Academy of Agricultural Science
Mingshan Su Tsinghua University
Yihui Ding Co-Chair, WGI
Guangsheng Zhou Chinese Academy of Sciences
Z.C. Zhao National Climate Center

Cuba
Ramon Pichs-Madruga Vice-Chair, WGIII
A.G. Suarez Cuban Environmental Agency

Czech Republic
Jan Pretel Vice-Chair, WGII

Denmark
Jesper Gundermann Danish Energy Agency
Kirsten Halsnaes Riso International Laboratory
Erik Rasmussen Danish Energy Agency
Martin Stendel Danish Meteorological Institute

Finland
Timothy Carter Finnish Environment Institute
P. Heikinheimo Ministry of Environment
Raino Heino Finnish Meteorological Institute
Pekka E. Kauppi University of Helsinki
R. Korhonen VTT Energy
A. Lampinen University of Jyväskyla
I. Savolainen VTT Energy

France
Olivier Boucher Universite de Lille I
Marc Darras Gaz de France
Jane Ellis OECD
Jean-Charles Hourcade CIRED/CNRS
J.C. Morlot Environment Department
M. Petit Ecole Polytechnique

Gambia
B.E. Gomez Department of Water Resources
M. Njie Department of Water Resources

Germany
Heinz-Jurgen Ahlgrimm Institute for Technology & Biosystems
Rosemarie Benndorf Umweltbundesamt
Peter Burschel Technische Universitat Munchen
Ulrich Cubasch Max Planck Institut für Meteorologie
U. Fuentes German Advisory Council on Global Change
Joanna HouseMax Planck Inst. Biogeochemie
Jucundus Jacobeit Universitaet Wuerzburg
Eberhard Jochem Vice-Chair, WGIII
Harald Kohl Federal Ministry of the Environment
Petra Mahrenholz Federal Environmental Agency of Germany
I. Colin Prentice Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry
C. le Quéré Max Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry
Sarah Raper University of East Anglia
Ferenc Toth Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
Manfred Treber Germanwatch
R. Sartorius Umweltbundesamt
Michael Weber Ludwig-Maximilians Universität München
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Hungary
G. Koppany University of Szeged
Halldor Thorgeirsson Ministry for the Environment

India
Murari Lal Indian Institute of Technology
Rajendra K. Pachauri Tata Energy Research Institute
N.H. Ravindranath Indian Institute of Sciences
Priyadarshi Shukla Indian Institute of Management
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Indonesia
R.T.M. Sutamihardja Vice-Chair, WGIII

Israel
Simon Krichak Tel Aviv University

Italy
Filippo Giorgi Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics (ICTP)
Annarita Mariotti ENEA Climate Section

Japan
Kazuo Asakura Central Research Institute (CRIEPI)
Noriyuki Goto University of Tokyo, Komaba
Mariko Handa Organization for Landscape and Urban Greenery Technology Development
Hideo Harasawa Social and Environmental Systems Division
Yasuo Hosoya Tokyo Electric Power Company
Y. Igarashi Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Takeshi Imai The Kansai Electric Power Co., Inc.
M. Inoue Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry
Hisashi Kato Central Research Institute of Electric Power Industry
Naoki Matsuo Global Industrial and Social Progress Research Institute (GISPRI)
Hisayoshi Morisugi Tohoku University
Tsuneyuki Morita National Institute for Environmental Studies
Shinichi Nagata Environment Agency
S. Nakagawa Japan Meteorological Agency
Yoshiaki Nishimura Central Research Institute of Electric Power Industry
Ichiro Sadamori Global Industrial and Social Progress Research Institute (GISPRI)
Akihiko Sasaki National Institute of Public Health
Shojiro Sato Chuba Electric Power Co.
A. Takeuchi Japan Meteorological Agency
Kanako Tanaka Global Industrial and Social Progress
Tomihiro Taniguchi Vice-Chair, IPCC

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Richard S. Odingo Vice-Chair, WGIII
Kingiri Senelwa Moi University

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Paul Desanker University of Virginia

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Gustavo Albin Permanent Representative Mission of Mexico

Morocco
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Abdalah Mokssit Centre National du Climat et de Recherchco Meteorologiques

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Alphonsus P.M. Baede Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI)
T.A. Buishand Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
W.L. Hare Greenpeace International
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E. Koekkoek Ministry of Housing, Spacial Planning and the Environment
Rik Leemans National Institute of Public Health and Environmental Protection
K. McKullen Greenpeace International
Bert Metz Co-Chair, WGIII
Leo Meyer Ministry of the Environment
Maresa Oosterman Ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken
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J. Verbeek Ministry of Transport, Public Works and Water Management

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Jon Barnett Macmillan Brown Centre for Pacific Studies, University of Canterbury
Vincent Gray Climate Consultant
Wayne Hennessy Coal Research Association of New Zealand, Inc.
Piers Maclaren NZ Forest Research Institute
Martin Manning Vice-Chair, WGII
Helen Plume Ministry for the Environment
A. Reisinger Ministry for the Environment
J. Salinger National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research Ltd (NIWA)
Ralph Sims Massey University

Niger
Garba Goudou Dieudonne Office of the Prime Minister

Nigeria
Sani Sambo Abubakar Tafawa Balewa University

Norway
Torgrim Aspjell The Norwegian Pollution Control Authorities
Oyvind Christophersen Ministry of Environment
Eirik J. Forland Norwegian Meteorological Institute
S. Gornas University of Bergen
Jarle Inge Holten Terrestrial Ecology Research
Snorre Kverndokk Frischsenteret/Frisch Centre
A. Moene The Norwegian Meteorological Institute
Audun Rossland The Norwegian Pollution Control Authorities
Nils R. Saelthun Norwegian Water Resources and Energy Administration
Tom Segalstad University of Oslom Norway
S. Sundby Institute of Marine Research
Kristian Tangen The Fridtjof Nansen Institute

Oman
Mohammed bin Ali Al-Hakmani Ministry of Regional Municipalities, Environment & Water Resources

Pakistan
Tariq Banuri Sustainable Development Policy Institute

Peru
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Phillipines
Lewis H. Ziska International Rice Research Institute

Poland
Jan Dobrowolski Goetel’s School of Environmental Protection & Engineering
Zbyszek Kundzewicz Polish Academy of Sciences
Miroslaw Mietus Institute of Meteorology & Water Management
A. Olecka National Fund for Environmental Protection and Water Management
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Wojciech Suchorzewski Warsaw University of Technology

Romania
Vasile Cuculeanu National Institute of Meteorology and Hydrology
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Russia
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Igor Bashmakov Centre for Energy Efficiency (CENEF)
Igor Karol Main Geophysical Observatory
Alla Tsyban Institute of Global Climate and Ecology
Yuri Izrael Vice-Chair, IPCC

Senegal
Alioune Ndiaye Vice-Chair, WGII
Sierra Leone
Ogunlade R. Davidson Co-chair, WGIII
Slovak Republic
Milan Lapin Comenius University
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Gerrie Coetzee Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism
Bruce Hewitson University of Capetown
Steve Lennon Eskom
Robert J. Scholes CSIR

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Sergio Alonso University of the Balearic Islands
Francisco Ayala-Carcedo Geomining Technological Institute of Spain
Luis Balairon National Meteorological Institute
Felix Hernandez CSIC
Don Antonio Labajo Salazar Government of Spain
Maria-Carmen Llasat Botija University of Barcelona
Josep Penuelas Center for Ecological Research & Forestry Applications
Ana Yaber University, Complutense of Madrid

Sri Lanka
Mohan Munasinghe Vice-Chair, WGIII
B. Punyawardena Department of Agriculture

Sudan
Nagmeldin Elhassan Higher Coucil for Environment & Natural Resources

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Marianne Lillieskold Swedish Environmental Protection Agency
Ulf Molau University of Gothenburg
Nils-Axel Morner Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Stockholm University
Markku Rummukainen Swedish Meterorological and Hydrological Institute

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Christof Appenzeller Federal Office of Meteorology and Climatology (MetroSwiss)
Fortunat Joos Vice-Chair, WGI
Herbert Lang Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich (ETH)
José Romero Office Federal de l’Environnement, des Forets et du Paysage
T. Stocker University of Bern

Tanzania
M.J. Mwandosya Centre for Energy, Environment, Science, and Technology
Buruhani S. Nyenzi Vice-Chair, WGI

United Kingdom
Nigel Arnell University of Southampton
C. Baker Natural Environment Research Council
Terry Barker University of Cambridge
K. G. Begg University of Surrey
S.A. Boehmer-Christiansen University of Hull
Richard Courtney The Libert
K. Deyes Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Thomas E. Downing Environmental Change Institute
University of Oxford
Caroline Fish Global Atmosphere Division
Chris Folland Met Office, Hadley Centre
Jonathan Gregory Hadley Climate Research Centre
Steve Gregory Forestry Commission
David Griggs Head, WG-I TSU
Joanna Haigh Imperial College
M. Harley English Nature
Susan Haseldine Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA)
John Houghton Co-Chair, WG-I
Mike Hulme University of East Anglia
Michael Jefferson World Energy Council
Cathy Johnson IPCC, Working Group I
Sari Kovats London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
David Mansell-Moullin International Petroleum Industry Environmental Conservation Association (IPIECA)
Anil Markandya University of Bath
A. McCulloch ICI Chemicals & Polymers Limited
Gordon McFadyen Global Atmospheric Division Deparment of the Environment, Transport and the Regions
A.J. McMichael London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
Aubrey Meyer Global Commons Institute
John Mitchell Hadley Center
Martin Parry Jackson Environment Institute
J.M. Penman Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions
S. Raper University of East Anglia
Keith Shine Department of Meteorology, University of Reading
P. Singleton Scottish Environment Protection Agency
Peter Smith IACR-Rothamsted
P. Smithson University of Sheffield
Peter Thorne School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia
P. van der Linden Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research
David Warrilow Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Philip L. Woodworth Bidston Observatory

United States
Dilip Ahuja National Institute of Advanced Studies
Dan Albritton NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory
Jeffrey S. Amthor Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Peter Backlund Office of Science and Technology Policy/Environment Division
Lee Beck U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Leonard Bernstein IPIECA
Daniel Bodansky U.S. Department of State
Rick Bradley US Department of Energy
James L. Buizer National Oceanic & Amtospheric Administration
John Christy University of Alabama
Susan Conard Office of Science and Technology Policy/Environment Division
Curt Covey Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Benjamin DeAngelo U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Robert Dickinson University of Arizona
David Dokken University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Rayola Dougher American Petroleum Institute
William Easterling Pennsylvania State University
Jerry Elwood Department of Enegry
Paul R. Epstein Harvard Medical School
Paul D. Farrar Naval Oceanographic Office
Howard Feldman American Petroleum Institute
Josh Foster NOAA Office of Global Programs
Laurie Geller National Research Council
Michael Ghil University of California, Los Angeles
Vivien Gornitz Columbia University
Kenneth Green Reason Public Policy Institute
David Harrison National Economic Research Associates
David D. Houghton University of Wisconsin-Madison
Malcolm Hughes University of Arizona
Stanley Jacobs Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University
Henry D. Jacoby Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Judson Jaffe Council of Economic Advisers
Steven M. Japar Ford Motor Company
Russell O. Jones American Petroleum Institute
Sally Kane NOAA
T. Karl NOAA National Climatic Data Center
Charles Keller IGPP.SIO.UCSD
Haroon Kheshgi Exxon Research & Engineering Company
Ann Kinzig Arizona State University
Maureen T. Koetz Nuclear Energy Institute
Rattan Lal Ohio State Universtiy
Chris Landsea NOAA AOML/Hurricane Research Division
Neil Leary Head, WGII TSU
Sven B. Lundstedt The Ohio State University
Anthony Lupo University of Missouri – Columbia
Michael C. MacCracken U.S. Global Change Research Program
James J. McCarthy Co-Chair, WGII
Gerald Meehl NCAR
Robert Mendelsohn Yale University
Patrick Michaels University of Virginia
Evan Mills Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
William Moomaw The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University
Berrien Moore University of New Hampshire
James Morison University of Washington
Jennifer Orme-Zavaleta USEP/NHEERL/WED
Camille Parmesan University of Texas
J.A. Patz Johns Hopkins University
Joyce Penner University of Michigan
Roger A. Pielke Colorado State University
Michael Prather University of California Irvine
Lynn K. Price Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
V. Ramaswamy NOAA
Robert L. Randall The RainForest ReGeneration Institute
Richard Richels Electric Power Research Institute
David Rind National Aeronautics and Space Agency
Catriona Rogers U.S. Global Change Research Program
Matthias Ruth University of Maryland
Jayant Sathaye Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
Michael Schlesinger University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign
Stephen Schneider Stanford University
Michael J. Scott Battelle Pacific Northwest Nat’l Laboratory
Roger Sedjo Resources for the Future
Walter Short National Renewable Energy Laboratory
Joel B. Smith Stratus Consulting Inc.
Robert N. Stavins John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
Ron Stouffer US Dept of Commerce/NOAA
T. Talley Office of Global Change, U.S. Department of State
Kevin Trenberth NCAR
Edward Vine Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
Henry Walker U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Robert Watson Chair, IPCC
Howard Wesoky Federal Aviation Administration
John P. Weyant Energy Modeling Forum, Stanford University
Tom Wilbanks Oak Ridge National Laboratory

Venezuela
Armando Ramirez Rojas Vice-Chair, WGI

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Chris Magadza University of Zimbabwe
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]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-679279 Severian Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:56:17 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-679279 An open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper: Dear Prime Minister: As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science. Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most prudent and responsible course of action. While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change is, as you have said, an "emerging science," one that is perhaps the most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly understand the Earth's climate system. Nevertheless, significant advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary. We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of global climate change, the government will be in a far better position to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the environment and the economy. "Climate change is real" is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural "noise." The new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to "stopping climate change" would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next. We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It was only 30 years ago that many of today's global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas. We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially important topic. CC: The Honourable Rona Ambrose, Minister of the Environment, and the Honourable Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources - - - Sincerely Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont. Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont. Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K. Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont. Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C. Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont. Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z. Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J. Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif. Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn. Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health) Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z. Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K. Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K. Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000 Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass. Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, <strong>official IPCC reviewer</strong>, Bavaria, Germany Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant. Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore. Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, <strong>IPCC expert reviewer</strong>, U.K. An open letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper:

Dear Prime Minister:

As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government’s climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science.

Observational evidence does not support today’s computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which Canada’s climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most prudent and responsible course of action.

While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change is, as you have said, an “emerging science,” one that is perhaps the most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly understand the Earth’s climate system. Nevertheless, significant advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary.

We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public comes to understand that there is no “consensus” among climate scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of global climate change, the government will be in a far better position to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the environment and the economy.

“Climate change is real” is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural “noise.” The new Canadian government’s commitment to reducing air, land and water pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to “stopping climate change” would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next.

We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It was only 30 years ago that many of today’s global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas.

We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially important topic.

CC: The Honourable Rona Ambrose, Minister of the Environment, and the Honourable Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources

- – -

Sincerely
Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia’s National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa

Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa

Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards

Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.

Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.

Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant

Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology

Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta

Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria

Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax

Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.

Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta

Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont.

Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.

Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary

Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.

Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z.

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists

Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review

Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand

Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia

Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden

Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.

Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville

Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.

Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health)

Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment

Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change

Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand

Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of ‘Climate Change 2001,’ Wellington, N.Z.

Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut

Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.

Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.

Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service

Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society

Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.

Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland

Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.

Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.

Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health

Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist

Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-679013 Bob Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:57:01 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-679013 Severian likes to pretend that nit-picking individual bits of data, like Mann's original "hockey stick" chart, or questioning the motives of a researcher here or there because of one unclear or ambiguous statement they once made, while ignoring the overwhelming body of independent data collected by other scientists that supports global warming, is either an honest or typical way of disproving a scientific theory. This is the same approach that people who deny the theory of evolution often take. Scientists are constantly questioning and refining the <i>details</i> of the theory, even while completely accepting all of its basic premises. For example, does evolution proceed in a continuous or temporally punctuated manner? These are honest questions that real scientists ask, and their motive is to try to come as close to the truth as possible. But hacks with dishonest political agendas often use this quest for truth against the science, by trying to claim that questioning and refining the details means that the basic premise is in doubt. I refer back to the article from Science, where the author states:<blockquote><b>Some corporations whose revenues might be adversely affected by controls on carbon dioxide emissions have also alleged major uncertainties in the science. Such statements suggest that there might be substantive disagreement in the scientific community about the reality of anthropogenic climate change. This is not the case.</b></blockquote> Severian's excruciatingly swollen ego notwithstanding, this debate is not about him or me. It's about the overwhelming body of data, and the overwhelming majority of scientists around the world who work in this field, who are convinced that human-caused global warming is a serious problem. Try as they might, the tremendously powerful forces who want to deny the reality of global warming can do nothing more than nit-pick the science. Despite their enormous political power and financial resources, they have been unable to fill their own 1,600 page volume with data and analysis to rebut the scientific consensus. Since they can't win on a playing field where only facts matter, they have tried to do an end-run around the science by mounting a huge PR campaign to create their own fictional world where facts don't matter. I have to say, Severian, that I think you're flailing here. I think all of the personal attacks against me—as if it mattered or I really cared—are the kind of thing that an angry and threatened person does. You're backed into a corner and trying to hide your insecurity behind a façade of arrogance and bluster. As I said, you have a <i>lot</i> of catching up to do to make any kind of case for what your side is trying to claim. You really need to get going here, and the personal attacks are just wasting time. If the world needs your undivided talents as much as you seem to think it does, then you're letting us all down. Severian likes to pretend that nit-picking individual bits of data, like Mann’s original “hockey stick” chart, or questioning the motives of a researcher here or there because of one unclear or ambiguous statement they once made, while ignoring the overwhelming body of independent data collected by other scientists that supports global warming, is either an honest or typical way of disproving a scientific theory.

This is the same approach that people who deny the theory of evolution often take. Scientists are constantly questioning and refining the details of the theory, even while completely accepting all of its basic premises. For example, does evolution proceed in a continuous or temporally punctuated manner? These are honest questions that real scientists ask, and their motive is to try to come as close to the truth as possible. But hacks with dishonest political agendas often use this quest for truth against the science, by trying to claim that questioning and refining the details means that the basic premise is in doubt. I refer back to the article from Science, where the author states:

Some corporations whose revenues might be adversely affected by controls on carbon dioxide emissions have also alleged major uncertainties in the science. Such statements suggest that there might be substantive disagreement in the scientific community about the reality of anthropogenic climate change. This is not the case.

Severian’s excruciatingly swollen ego notwithstanding, this debate is not about him or me. It’s about the overwhelming body of data, and the overwhelming majority of scientists around the world who work in this field, who are convinced that human-caused global warming is a serious problem. Try as they might, the tremendously powerful forces who want to deny the reality of global warming can do nothing more than nit-pick the science. Despite their enormous political power and financial resources, they have been unable to fill their own 1,600 page volume with data and analysis to rebut the scientific consensus. Since they can’t win on a playing field where only facts matter, they have tried to do an end-run around the science by mounting a huge PR campaign to create their own fictional world where facts don’t matter.

I have to say, Severian, that I think you’re flailing here. I think all of the personal attacks against me—as if it mattered or I really cared—are the kind of thing that an angry and threatened person does. You’re backed into a corner and trying to hide your insecurity behind a façade of arrogance and bluster. As I said, you have a lot of catching up to do to make any kind of case for what your side is trying to claim. You really need to get going here, and the personal attacks are just wasting time. If the world needs your undivided talents as much as you seem to think it does, then you’re letting us all down.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678635 Severian Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:20:58 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678635 And one last comment, the IPCC, brought to you by the UN, the same agency that brought you the Oil For Food scandal and child sex rings around the world. Yeah, that's credibility for you. Makes me wonder, if Bob's such a believer, what has he done to reduce his carbon footprint? Stopped driving so much? Turned his thermostat settings to save energy? Or is he like most liberals, and expects the government to force others to do it? :-? And one last comment, the IPCC, brought to you by the UN, the same agency that brought you the Oil For Food scandal and child sex rings around the world. Yeah, that’s credibility for you.

Makes me wonder, if Bob’s such a believer, what has he done to reduce his carbon footprint? Stopped driving so much? Turned his thermostat settings to save energy? Or is he like most liberals, and expects the government to force others to do it? :-?

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678630 Severian Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:11:43 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678630 <em>Did you catch the part about how the report has 1,600 pages?</em> In Bob's simple, untrained mind, that must mean something! You're judging a not yet released report and assigning it a lot of credibility just because of it's size?!? =)) Early in my career I had a document sent back to me for more work because it wasn't "long" enough. I was told, in no uncertain terms, that it had to be much longer to both 1) look "serious and scientifically sound" and 2) because that way fewer people would read anything other than the abstract and conclusion and there'd be less arguments about it that way. So, color me unimpressed. Did you catch the part about how the report has 1,600 pages?

In Bob’s simple, untrained mind, that must mean something! You’re judging a not yet released report and assigning it a lot of credibility just because of it’s size?!? =))

Early in my career I had a document sent back to me for more work because it wasn’t “long” enough. I was told, in no uncertain terms, that it had to be much longer to both 1) look “serious and scientifically sound” and 2) because that way fewer people would read anything other than the abstract and conclusion and there’d be less arguments about it that way. So, color me unimpressed.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678627 Severian Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:05:34 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678627 And again Bob, when you can come back with one intelligent question about the actual science instead of bleating it's consensus it has to be right, then you'll be worth talking with. Of if you address the question of if they are so confident of their science why are they trying to silence discussion and debate? What are they afraid of, there may be something you say worth listening to. You really do a parrot impression remarkably well. Try coming up with an original thought, I know it's hard for liberals, but try it, you'll find it liberating. And again Bob, when you can come back with one intelligent question about the actual science instead of bleating it’s consensus it has to be right, then you’ll be worth talking with. Of if you address the question of if they are so confident of their science why are they trying to silence discussion and debate? What are they afraid of, there may be something you say worth listening to.

You really do a parrot impression remarkably well. Try coming up with an original thought, I know it’s hard for liberals, but try it, you’ll find it liberating.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678625 Severian Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:01:40 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678625 Bob's masters have spoken again. To whit, I point you a the following: <em>Stephan Schneider … teaches at Stanford University…." and is the <strong>author of several IPCC chapters.</strong> ".. to get the public's attention we have to draw up shocking scenarios using simple and dramatic statements. <strong>Possible doubts should only marginally be considered. Everyone needs to find the right balance between honesty and effectivity."</strong> (23)</em> So, one of the main authors of the last IPCC report admits that lying is OK if it's for a "good" cause, and you still want to believe everything they say without question. The pro-AGW people are getting more and more aggressive as the science underlying this gets shakier and shakier. But not to worry, people like Bob will believe no matter what, and help them push their socialist utopian ideals of massive wealth redistribution on us all. God help us. Bob’s masters have spoken again. To whit, I point you a the following:

Stephan Schneider … teaches at Stanford University….” and is the author of several IPCC chapters.
“.. to get the public’s attention we have to draw up shocking scenarios using simple and dramatic statements. Possible doubts should only marginally be considered. Everyone needs to find the right balance between honesty and effectivity.” (23)

So, one of the main authors of the last IPCC report admits that lying is OK if it’s for a “good” cause, and you still want to believe everything they say without question. The pro-AGW people are getting more and more aggressive as the science underlying this gets shakier and shakier. But not to worry, people like Bob will believe no matter what, and help them push their socialist utopian ideals of massive wealth redistribution on us all. God help us.

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678334 Bob Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:55:13 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678334 Correction: It was the Environmental Defense Fund, not the NRDC, who worked with McDonalds. Correction: It was the Environmental Defense Fund, not the NRDC, who worked with McDonalds.

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678314 Bob Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:35:14 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678314 There is precedent, GWR, for some environmental groups like the Natural Resources Defense Council to work with industry on sincere efforts to reduce pollution. If I'm not mistaken, they did a collaboration with McDonalds to get rid of the old styrofoam "clam shell" containers in favor of paper and cardboard. It's the kind of win-win, "market-based" approach than should warm the hearts of conservatives and liberals alike. There is precedent, GWR, for some environmental groups like the Natural Resources Defense Council to work with industry on sincere efforts to reduce pollution. If I’m not mistaken, they did a collaboration with McDonalds to get rid of the old styrofoam “clam shell” containers in favor of paper and cardboard. It’s the kind of win-win, “market-based” approach than should warm the hearts of conservatives and liberals alike.

]]> By: Great White Rat http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678308 Great White Rat Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:22:03 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678308 Of course, it's entirely possible that these USACP companies are pushing the government for new envrionmental regulations solely for the purpose of crippling their competitors and increasing their own market share. Color me skeptical. There's something fishy about any group that calls for increased government regulation while simultaneously claiming to lay out a blueprint for "mandatory, economy-wide, market-driven" controls. Whenever you hear that, your BS detector should be going off loud and long. Of course, it’s entirely possible that these USACP companies are pushing the government for new envrionmental regulations solely for the purpose of crippling their competitors and increasing their own market share. Color me skeptical.

There’s something fishy about any group that calls for increased government regulation while simultaneously claiming to lay out a blueprint for “mandatory, economy-wide, market-driven” controls. Whenever you hear that, your BS detector should be going off loud and long.

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-678276 Bob Wed, 24 Jan 2007 04:37:56 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-678276 What's wrong, did the news about the IPCC's new report demoralize you guys or something? Severian, are you hard at work crunching the numbers for your rebuttal? Did you catch the part about how the report has 1,600 pages? That must represent an awful lot of man-hours of research. How long will it take, Severian, for you and the two guys at JunkScience.com to come up with an equivalent body of work to prove them all wrong? You're way deep in the hole. You'd better get busy. By the way, I also read the following today:<blockquote>WASHINGTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A diverse group of U.S.-based businesses and leading environmental organizations today called on the federal government to quickly enact strong national legislation to achieve significant reductions of greenhouse gas emissions. The group said any delay in action to control emissions increases the risk of unavoidable consequences that could necessitate even steeper reductions in the future. This unprecedented alliance, called the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), consists of market leaders Alcoa, BP America, Caterpillar, Duke Energy, DuPont, FPL Group, General Electric, Lehman Brothers, PG&E, and PNM Resources, along with four leading non-governmental organizations -- Environmental Defense, Natural Resources Defense Council, Pew Center on Global Climate Change, and World Resources Institute. At a news conference today at the National Press Club, USCAP issued a landmark set of principles and recommendations to underscore the urgent need for a policy framework on climate change. The solutions-based report, titled A Call for Action, lays out a blueprint for a mandatory economy-wide, market-driven approach to climate protection. </blockquote>My, my, my. The consensus just keeps getting stronger, and you guys seem to be stuck farther and farther out to sea on a rapidly melting ice berg. What’s wrong, did the news about the IPCC’s new report demoralize you guys or something? Severian, are you hard at work crunching the numbers for your rebuttal? Did you catch the part about how the report has 1,600 pages? That must represent an awful lot of man-hours of research. How long will it take, Severian, for you and the two guys at JunkScience.com to come up with an equivalent body of work to prove them all wrong? You’re way deep in the hole. You’d better get busy.

By the way, I also read the following today:

WASHINGTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — A diverse group of U.S.-based businesses and leading environmental organizations today called on the federal government to quickly enact strong national legislation to achieve significant reductions of greenhouse gas emissions. The group said any delay in action to control emissions increases the risk of unavoidable consequences that could necessitate even steeper reductions in the future.

This unprecedented alliance, called the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), consists of market leaders Alcoa, BP America, Caterpillar, Duke Energy, DuPont, FPL Group, General Electric, Lehman Brothers, PG&E, and PNM Resources, along with four leading non-governmental organizations — Environmental Defense, Natural Resources Defense Council, Pew Center on Global Climate Change, and World Resources Institute.

At a news conference today at the National Press Club, USCAP issued a landmark set of principles and recommendations to underscore the urgent need for a policy framework on climate change. The solutions-based report, titled A Call for Action, lays out a blueprint for a mandatory economy-wide, market-driven approach to climate protection.

My, my, my. The consensus just keeps getting stronger, and you guys seem to be stuck farther and farther out to sea on a rapidly melting ice berg.

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-676825 Bob Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:39:12 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-676825 What perfect timing . . . I knew the peanut gallery would appreciate this latest news from AP:<blockquote>WASHINGTON - Human-caused global warming is here — visible in the air, water and melting ice — and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week. "The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. "The evidence ... is compelling." Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: <b>"This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles."</b> The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week. This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon, a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday. <b>That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.</b> . . . Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab who lives in Boulder, Colo. <b>"When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."</b> Look for an "iconic statement" — a simple but strong and unequivocal summary — on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder. The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel. An early version of the ever-changing draft report said <b>"observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming." And the early draft adds: An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation."</b> The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States. The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.</blockquote>Did you knuckleheads get that? This report was compiled by 600 scientists, and then reviewed by 600 more. What puny scraps of propaganda can you offer in the face of this? What will JunkScience.com have to say? What about the hockey stick? We'll anxiously await your personal inspection and independent analysis of their data when the document arrives, Severian. Don't let us down. What perfect timing . . . I knew the peanut gallery would appreciate this latest news from AP:
WASHINGTON – Human-caused global warming is here — visible in the air, water and melting ice — and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week.

“The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak,” said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. “The evidence … is compelling.”

Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: “This isn’t a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles.”

The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week. This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes “a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate,” said co-chair Susan Solomon, a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.

That report will feature an “explosion of new data” on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.

. . .

Global warming is “happening now, it’s very obvious,” said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab who lives in Boulder, Colo. “When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it’s pretty much a no-brainer.”

Look for an “iconic statement” — a simple but strong and unequivocal summary — on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.

The February report will have “much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that’s taken place,” Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

An early version of the ever-changing draft report said “observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming.”

And the early draft adds: An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation.”

The world’s global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.

The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.

Did you knuckleheads get that? This report was compiled by 600 scientists, and then reviewed by 600 more. What puny scraps of propaganda can you offer in the face of this? What will JunkScience.com have to say? What about the hockey stick? We’ll anxiously await your personal inspection and independent analysis of their data when the document arrives, Severian. Don’t let us down.

]]> By: Baklava http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/comment-page-2/#comment-676537 Baklava Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:15:26 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/18/al-gore-doesnt-want-to-debate-global-warming/#comment-676537 Algore changes his name to Bob. Algore changes his name to Bob.

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