Comments on: Shut up and serve: you troops should be grateful to *US* http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:23:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: NC Cop http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690624 NC Cop Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:11:36 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-690624 Sorry, Bob, they are your words. If you didn't mean them that way, then don't write them that way. I'm glad I could disappoint you!! Remember, it's the troops over in Iraq who are saying that the so called "saviors" who are protesting the war are hurting morale, not just us. Did those troops twist any words, Bob? How do you respond to that? The troops are saying that the protestors are hurting morale, care to comment? Sorry, Bob, they are your words. If you didn’t mean them that way, then don’t write them that way. I’m glad I could disappoint you!! Remember, it’s the troops over in Iraq who are saying that the so called “saviors” who are protesting the war are hurting morale, not just us. Did those troops twist any words, Bob? How do you respond to that? The troops are saying that the protestors are hurting morale, care to comment?

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690567 Bob Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:44:41 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-690567 NC Cop, that phrase simply means that<i> "I don't accept</i> the tortured logic . . ." Of course I'm not telling anyone how to think. I'm simply saying that I'm sick of hearing it. But I'm disappointed in you that you couldn't twist my words into an insult against the troops. For example, maybe my use of "tortured" was a snide cheap-shot about Abu Ghraib. Why don't you go off on that now? NC Cop, that phrase simply means that “I don’t accept the tortured logic . . .” Of course I’m not telling anyone how to think. I’m simply saying that I’m sick of hearing it. But I’m disappointed in you that you couldn’t twist my words into an insult against the troops. For example, maybe my use of “tortured” was a snide cheap-shot about Abu Ghraib. Why don’t you go off on that now?

]]> By: NC Cop http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690528 NC Cop Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:57:30 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-690528 <em>I don't want to hear the tortured logic that equates opposing the Iraq war with either wanting the U.S. to fail or not supporting the troops.</em> Well, gosh, Bob cant I have <em>THAT</em> opinion, or is that not allowed. Please tell me just exactly who you are to tell anyone what they should or should not be thinking? I don’t want to hear the tortured logic that equates opposing the Iraq war with either wanting the U.S. to fail or not supporting the troops.

Well, gosh, Bob cant I have THAT opinion, or is that not allowed.

Please tell me just exactly who you are to tell anyone what they should or should not be thinking?

]]> By: Ryan http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690494 Ryan Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:08:26 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-690494 <em>Since the pro-war side can't win the debate on the battlfield [sic] of ideas any more, they're trying to turn it into an irrational and emotionally over-wrought struggle against imaginary traitors here at home. </em> Says you. You want to see irrational look no further than many on your side. Much of that has been brought up by ST here. Since the pro-war side can’t win the debate on the battlfield [sic] of ideas any more, they’re trying to turn it into an irrational and emotionally over-wrought struggle against imaginary traitors here at home.

Says you. You want to see irrational look no further than many on your side. Much of that has been brought up by ST here.

]]> By: NW Bloggers http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690366 NW Bloggers Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:18:43 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-690366 <strong>William Arkin responds, misquotes me and further insults the troops</strong> I should feel honored, he responded to me directly.  Of course he grossly misquoted me. I said that he was telling the troops to shut up and quit whining, whereas he quoted me as saying that to him. Whatever.  the point of my article was that... William Arkin responds, misquotes me and further insults the troops

I should feel honored, he responded to me directly.  Of course he grossly misquoted me.
I said that he was telling the troops to shut up and quit whining, whereas he quoted me as saying that to him.
Whatever.  the point of my article was that…

]]> By: Bob http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690244 Bob Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:43:59 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-690244 This squabbling over who supports the troops the most seems to be a total red herring. There may be individuals here or there who say things that sound (or perhaps even <i>are</i>) disrespectful to the troops. That's <i>their</i> opinion. But to try to use these individuals as examples to imply that anyone who is opposed to the war is somehow against the troops (especially when this is expressed as though they were actually <i>spitting in their faces</i>) is just cheap rhetoric. Of course, the vast majority of us who oppose the war understand that our troops are there doing a great and courageous job to execute their missions. They're there with the best of intentions. My heart drops every time I hear about one of them dying, and I want revenge against the low-lifes who wantonly kill people (U.S. soldiers, contractors or civilians of all nationalities) who are only trying to put their country back on the path to peace and prosperity. I just don't happen to think that the cycle of revenge within the context of a civil war in which we have no proper place leads anywhere constructive. I don't want to hear the tortured logic that equates opposing the Iraq war with either wanting the U.S. to fail or not supporting the troops. This issue is being blown out of proportion to get conservatives angry and excited so they can be politically manipulated. Since the pro-war side can't win the debate on the battlfield of ideas any more, they're trying to turn it into an irrational and emotionally over-wrought struggle against imaginary traitors here at home. This squabbling over who supports the troops the most seems to be a total red herring. There may be individuals here or there who say things that sound (or perhaps even are) disrespectful to the troops. That’s their opinion. But to try to use these individuals as examples to imply that anyone who is opposed to the war is somehow against the troops (especially when this is expressed as though they were actually spitting in their faces) is just cheap rhetoric.

Of course, the vast majority of us who oppose the war understand that our troops are there doing a great and courageous job to execute their missions. They’re there with the best of intentions. My heart drops every time I hear about one of them dying, and I want revenge against the low-lifes who wantonly kill people (U.S. soldiers, contractors or civilians of all nationalities) who are only trying to put their country back on the path to peace and prosperity. I just don’t happen to think that the cycle of revenge within the context of a civil war in which we have no proper place leads anywhere constructive.

I don’t want to hear the tortured logic that equates opposing the Iraq war with either wanting the U.S. to fail or not supporting the troops. This issue is being blown out of proportion to get conservatives angry and excited so they can be politically manipulated. Since the pro-war side can’t win the debate on the battlfield of ideas any more, they’re trying to turn it into an irrational and emotionally over-wrought struggle against imaginary traitors here at home.

]]> By: Leaning Straight Up http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689975 Leaning Straight Up Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:05:35 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689975 <strong>William Arkin responds, misquotes me and further insults the troops</strong> I should feel honored, he responded to me directly.  Of course he grossly misquoted me. I said that he was telling the troops to shut up and quit whining, whereas he quoted me as saying that to him. Whatever.  the point of my article was that... William Arkin responds, misquotes me and further insults the troops

I should feel honored, he responded to me directly.  Of course he grossly misquoted me.
I said that he was telling the troops to shut up and quit whining, whereas he quoted me as saying that to him.
Whatever.  the point of my article was that…

]]> By: karl http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689943 karl Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:20:33 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689943 ha! he listed and linked to my blog response in his rebuttal today. he's still a putz ha! he listed and linked to my blog response in his rebuttal today.

he’s still a putz

]]> By: Baklava http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689921 Baklava Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:51:49 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689921 NC asked, "<em>Gosh, NOW can we question his patriotism?</em>" You can as you have the freedom, but they might REALLY get mad and then REALLY try to see your point of view and negotiate a peaceful relationship with you. The worse you act and the more you terrorize the lefty the more they will try to see what it is you want right? NC asked, “Gosh, NOW can we question his patriotism?”

You can as you have the freedom, but they might REALLY get mad and then REALLY try to see your point of view and negotiate a peaceful relationship with you. The worse you act and the more you terrorize the lefty the more they will try to see what it is you want right?

]]> By: bRight & Early http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689886 bRight & Early Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:49:11 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689886 <strong>First Cup 02.01.07</strong> ... First Cup 02.01.07

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]]> By: Tom TB http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689731 Tom TB Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:55:30 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689731 There was a slogan from the appeasement isolationist days of the 1930's "War as an instrument of National policy should be outlawed!" Now, who is going to do the enforcing of this new anti-war policy? The League of Nations was a joke, the U.N. is a joke. Just the existence of our military gives a guy like Arkin the confidence to write as he pleases, and he thinks they are treated too well! There was a slogan from the appeasement isolationist days of the 1930’s “War as an instrument of National policy should be outlawed!” Now, who is going to do the enforcing of this new anti-war policy? The League of Nations was a joke, the U.N. is a joke. Just the existence of our military gives a guy like Arkin the confidence to write as he pleases, and he thinks they are treated too well!

]]> By: Steve Skubinna http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689322 Steve Skubinna Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:45:18 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689322 No, NC Cop, there's no question at all about his patriotism. Support the war, and not be serving: you're a chickenhawk and your argument is invalid. Support the war, while serving: you're a whiney ungrateful naive non-American and your argument is invalid. There's the totalitarian impulse of the left on display. Dissent is patriotic, so long as it isn't dissent from their dictates. The first amendment applies to everybody - so long as they agree with them. Oh, and maybe we should just get over this post-9/11 mentality and have a military coup. Yes, these people would disenfranchise us, and herd us into camps. But they are the true patriots. No, NC Cop, there’s no question at all about his patriotism.

Support the war, and not be serving: you’re a chickenhawk and your argument is invalid.

Support the war, while serving: you’re a whiney ungrateful naive non-American and your argument is invalid.

There’s the totalitarian impulse of the left on display. Dissent is patriotic, so long as it isn’t dissent from their dictates. The first amendment applies to everybody – so long as they agree with them. Oh, and maybe we should just get over this post-9/11 mentality and have a military coup.

Yes, these people would disenfranchise us, and herd us into camps. But they are the true patriots.

]]> By: Leaning Straight Up http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689319 Leaning Straight Up Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:43:24 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689319 <strong>Troops say Support us, in response William Arkin says Quit Whining</strong> I posted a video last week where an NBC news team interviewed  some troops who expressed sincere frustration to the growing feeling of betrayal they have concerning America’s lackluster support. "If they’re going to... Troops say Support us, in response William Arkin says Quit Whining

I posted a video last week where an NBC news team interviewed  some troops who expressed sincere frustration to the growing feeling of betrayal they have concerning America’s lackluster support.
"If they’re going to…

]]> By: NC Cop http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689304 NC Cop Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:35:30 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689304 Gosh, NOW can we question his patriotism? Gosh, NOW can we question his patriotism?

]]> By: david foster http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689286 david foster Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:17:41 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/01/31/shut-up-and-serve-you-troops-should-be-grateful-to-us/#comment-689286 What especially got me was the line about the "obscene amenities." What is an "obscene amenity" for an individual who constantly risks death or mutilation while enduring 110 degree temperatures? Ice cream for dessert? The occasional steak dinner? E-mail service so he can talk with his family? What kind of small-minded person would even think such a thing, let alone write it? I subscribed the The Washington Post for many years. No more. What especially got me was the line about the “obscene amenities.” What is an “obscene amenity” for an individual who constantly risks death or mutilation while enduring 110 degree temperatures? Ice cream for dessert? The occasional steak dinner? E-mail service so he can talk with his family?

What kind of small-minded person would even think such a thing, let alone write it?

I subscribed the The Washington Post for many years. No more.

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