Because people/countries pay China for goods and services doesn’t put the blame on us as you seem to wish to do.

They are entirely responsible for earning the money responsibly. Only they can be responsible while earning. If they are NOT being responsible why would somebody say that is our fault?

TGBP wrote for no reason, “I just find it backwards that people are so insistent that things must stay the way they are,”

I am not insistent and I don’t know anybody who is insistent that things must stay the same. WE are saying here TGBP that we must not implement leftist solutions due to the ‘crisis’. It isn’t a ‘crisis’. More people have died in one city named Milwalkee (sic) during this one last cold spell than died due to the .7 degree Celcius rise in temperature during the last 100 years. In fact OUR life expectancy has risen by 30 years during the same 100 year period. We have MORE vegetation and more forest than 100 years ago.

Again, I’m not saying we do nothing. First leftists don’t recognize that this country has spent more on climate change than ANY OTHER country. And second I suggest that the solutions we implement are market oriented so that they hurt less people than leftist solutions would. Taxing more, removing oil ‘profits’ and caps on CO2 are all ideas that would make more poor people and hurt their ability to survive and live comfortably.

Additionally, we are fairly efficient. We are 28% of the world’s economy but only emit 21% of the world’s CO2.

We make improvements in our efficiency and emissions because of our prosperity. Just about everybody ‘cares’ and it would do you well to understand that people ‘care’ as opposed to thinking that people don’t.

Yet these very same Liberals and their Leftist Media are unrelenting in their attack on the President and Vice President and anyone else who does not agree with them.

Looks like the Left can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

It’s time to give them a taste of their own medicine. The Left is dangerous and a bunch of kook Moonbats. The entire Global BS is nothing but the new religion of the Communist Left who want to micromanage everybody’s life.

“Global Warming” is nothing but a pure Left Wing political agenda that would make Stalin, Marx, and Mao proud.

Gore said that 15-year-old Kaylee Ellis, a student at Sarasota High School, in Sarasota, Florida, was forced to stand outside in the hall because her classroom was overcrowded. – LIE

Gore stated that he accompanied Federal Emergency Management Agency Director James Lee Witt to Texas to assess the 1996 Parker County fires. – LIE

Gore stated that 96% of students attend public school. – LIE

In December 1999, Gore claimed: I helped to negotiate an agreement with the Internet service providers to put a parent protection page up and give parents the ability to click on all of the web sites that their children have visited lately (ABC’s Nightline, Dec. 16, 1999). In fact, Gore had nothing to do with this. An editorial in the Wall Street Journal observes: The [Internet] industry had been working for a year with bipartisan members of Congress on putting a link to on-line child-safety resources on the front page of Internet portals — with no participation from the Vice President (The Wall Street Journal, May 6, 1999). – LIE

In September, Gore, boasting of his heritage of support for trade unions, claimed that the union song “Look For The Union Label” was sung to him as a lullaby when he was a child. In fact, the TV jingle came out in 1975 when Al Gore was 27 years old (Washington Times, Oct. 2-8, 2000). Gore’s staff tried to say that their man was actually referring to a 1901 union song, but Gore himself admitted that this was not the case and claimed that it was a joke! – LIE

Gore claims his father was a champion of civil rights. In fact, the senior Gore voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964. – LIE

Gore claimed that he co-sponsored the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill. He said: I was a co-sponsor of it, and I feel that it’s very important to get the influence of special interest money out of our politics (The New York Times, Nov. 24, 1999). In fact, Gore not only did not, but could not have cosponsored McCain-Feingold. Russ Feingold was not elected until 1992. Al Gore quit the Senate in 1992 to become Vice President. Feingold and Gore never served together. – LIE

In 1987, Gore told the Des Moines Register his work as an investigative reporter at the Nashville Tennesseean led to the jailing of a bunch of people. He later had to apologize for the lie (Columbia Journalism Review, Jan. 1993). – LIE

Gore claimed that Bush’s Vice Presidential running mate Dick Cheney was one of the few to vote against Head Start . . . he even voted against the school lunch program· In fact, Cheney voted to increase Head Start Funding. It was Gore who opposed it. In 1981, Cheney voted for the Budget Reconciliation bill (CQ vote #104: HR 3982) that increased Head Start funding by 16 percent; from $820 million in 1981 to $950 million in 1982. Gore voted against this measure. – LIE

These are some “inconvenient truths”, aren’t they.

As for Al Gore, like I said, it’s not my place to defend him. But I suspect if you look at any wealthy family, whether it’s the Bushes, the Kennedys, the Gores or the Cheneys, you can almost certainly find some investments or past involvements in enterprises that might have been questionable. I have shares of a few different mutual funds. Do I know every single company that those funds are invested in? No, I honestly do not. Now you’ve got me worried that maybe I own a piece of Occidental Petroleum, or, God forbid, Exxon. I think it’s safe to say that we all try to live ethical lives and practice what we preach. But sometimes things slip through the cracks. I know for sure that I’m not perfect, and I won’t hold it against you guys, or Al Gore, if none of you are perfect either.

Anyway, thanks for indulging me in this discussion. Have a good one!

As far as the rest of your comments about me, I keep telling you I am not attacking Al Jr. or Sr. They can buy whatever stock they want, I don’t really care. More power to them!!! Isn’t capitalism grand. All I am trying to do, is help you to realize that “Big Oil” made the Gore family very wealthy, and that you Bob should really wake up and look who you are agreeing with. My every post has been about you Bob, and folks just like you. Now I know you will go on with some “Ad hominem” attack on me about Bush and Cheney and blah blah blah, and help me to realize that I am in agreement with the devil himself. I don’t really care, you don’t read but half of what I write here anyway. I am not trying to insult your inteligence or anything like that. I just want you to see that some of the people you are in agreement with are not exactly as wonderful as some would think they are. If that is attacking the Gore family, I am alot more confused than I think. But it does show me that You, Bob, have a serious problem deceminating facts when they are presented to you. I am not your everyday conservative. I have told you before, I believe in global warming. Infact after 9/11 when there was no jet travel for those 3 days, the atmosphere above the America cooled. So I have already told you what law I would make. No more air travel for flights below 3 hours. I am all for expansion into bullet trains, and have been for years Bob. Why there is not electric magnetic lift monorail between Chicago and St. Loius is quite simply beyond me. Especially when these guys are running hundreds of flights per year between those two cities. I have written my congressional folks about it, I usually only get the congressional thank you note back. I am not trying to be dishonest with you Bob, I am not trying some lame attack, I am just trying to help the awareness of so many who would put folks on a pedestal. – Lorica

When you sell something you now OWN THE MONEY.

TGBP wrote, “To anyone who thinks that our prosperity as Americans is somehow good for the world is seriously shortsighted.”

I have 20/20 vision. America does more good for the world than any other nation. We provide more food to hurting countries, more money, more medical supplies, more labor and relief effort, more security, etc. We even put forth more Research and Development into drugs, the environment, and just about anything you can name. Our prosperity enables our generosity.

Because we are prosperous we consume more yes. You are consuming by being on the computer so stop. I consumed this last weekend and EVERYTHING I did put more CO2 in the air. I went to the store and got tile. The manufacturer of the tile produce CO2 to make the tile. I went to another store and got concrete backer board. Same thing for that manufacturer and retailer. The adhesive, grout and all the tiling tools required CO2. I drank beer as a luxury this last weekend. That make CO2. My house is 2000 square feet – and so everything any American does requires more CO2 than a 3rd worlder who only consumed the food they ate during the same 3 day weekend.

Nobody here needs to feel guilty for improving their home, throwing ideas around on the computer, having a beer or having a standard of living that is far greater than 100 years ago. Our prosperity and the industrial age has brought us to where we are and now we have a big target on or backs by liberals who want to implement leftist ideas which would hurt this nation and our standard of living.

It is NOW a crisis that the earth has warmed .7 degrees Celcius over the last 100 years when we as Americans have extended our life expectancy from 45 for men and 49 for woman (in 1906) to 75 for men and 79 for women (in 2006)? I don’t see it. I see vegetation needing CO2, liking the .7 degrees more and I see the fact that we have only increased CO2 output in the last 5 years by less than 2% while China has increased their output by 50% as China being the problem. Because on top of the CO2 China is also putting out more pollutants not just increasing CO2

Put simply: our current method of producing almost all products is generally not extremely efficient. Inefficiency means certain elements or impurities are released and must be disposed of somewhere. To anyone who thinks that our prosperity as Americans is somehow good for the world is seriously shortsighted. Please look up any number of reports on environmental conditions in China, that country that makes all our stuff, and tell me about how we’re really helping out the global environment.

Frankly, I can’t believe that no one here has mentioned the Tragedy of the Commons. Car exhaust HURTS people (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21159691-23290,00.html)
and to continue to allow, even support, companies that HURT people is DISGUSTING and ANTI-HUMAN. Human induced global warming or no, we are losing environmental control due to corporate lobbyists. If anyone here, left or right, would prefer to inhale carbon monoxide and plenty of other dangerous chemicals please let me know, because I’m sure Exxon is looking for a cheerleader of your type.

If you’re worried about oil stock, why not obsess about what seems to have been a possible case of insider trading that George W. Bush, who is our current president, engaged in while he was an executive of Harkin Energy? You know, when he just happened to dump all of his stock immediately before an unfavorable financial report caused the share price to tank? While having a father who owned oil company stock is certainly no crime, insider trading actually is. This is why I note the hypocrisy of nit-picking Gore’s actions while completely ignoring the unethical (and quite possibly illegal) actions of the politicians you support.

And beyond that, trying to debate global warming by making dishonest attacks against Al Gore is really lame. Like I said, don’t insult my intelligence.

I think there ought to be a law to protect people like Bob, that were taken in by such movies. Say if more than 20% of a movie represented by it’s producer as a truthful documentary is proved to be false, the consumer receives a full refund of the admission price.

This refund would also apply to those that are too ignorant and fail to see the truth even after it has been presented to them, so long as they have a ticket stub. Maybe this will put a stop to those cashing in on bogus movies.

And Bob, regarding rhetoric, I am glad you don’t want any part of it. But as an independent, I must say, the only reason I come to this right wing blog, is that I’m afraid of the left wing blogs.