You emotionalism betrays you and will always corner you into making bad decisions.

You are the one who is so ineloquent that you can’t present your own views properly, what my views are isn’t going to help you out there, except as a transparent attempt to get attention off yourself and your weak minded opinions.

I’ve told you all enough about my views on abortion for now. I’ve tried to be respectful and responsive, but it often seems like casting pearls before swine. What’s the point when you all refuse to accept or respect those views? I’m not required to satisfy your concerns. I appreciate those who’ve been able to discuss this with me without belittling and insulting me. As for the rest of you, shove it. Your endless whining is boring me.

That’s Bob’s, and most typical liberals, usual response, don’t expect him to actually think for himself. He’s got a long reputation here of running off to Google to see what he can find to give him an excuse not to have to think for himself, he can’t give you his opinion until the DNC gives it to him.

So, the question back to you that you’re squirming around is, when does a fetus become a person, what’s YOUR view, not what everybody says, not what the IPCC says, for once in your pitiful life actually make a statement based on your beliefs without looking for a net. Take a piece of paper, draw a 9 inch line on it, label one end conception, the other birth, and stick a pin in it somewhere, where you think it becomes a baby.

But stop whining, it’s a transparent attempt to derail debate and we’re on to your tricks.

As for my lack of “intelligent” things to say. I already asked the questions necessary for you to start doing your own thinking on the topic that goes beyond what you supposedly “believe” as you’ve said. Your inability to make the connections necessary to reach the next step are not my fault.

1. If you were never born, then you would have never had a chance to say anything here.

2. Abortion is a way of avoiding the responsibility involved in raising a child.

3. Contraception is not abortion, because if you prevent an egg from being fertilized in the first place then that egg is no different from any egg that passes though a womans system normally (by way of a period).

4. If a person truly exams what it is to be alive, then they can easily discover that a baby is alive from conception on forward. The point here is to ACTUALLY examine it.

5. You can’t depend on science to tell you the answer to the question, “when is a baby truly alive”, because a few years ago scientists and/or doctors were saying that a baby wasn’t alive till birth, and now they say a baby is alive from the end of the first trimester on forward.

6. Isn’t it obvious that a child is alive inside the womb, whenever a man gets a sentence for the murder of a woman AND her unborn child?

7. Number six makes you wonder why women aren’t convicted for the murder of their own unborn children.

8. If you’ve ever seen a child within the womb during a sonogram, you can’t possibly say “that’s just a fetus, and it isn’t alive”.

9. The worst argument I’ve ever heard in favor of abortion, and against the death penalty, was the accusation that Republicans are contributing to population decline by continuing to have the death penalty, so it’s illogical of us to be against abortion, but for the death penalty. The person that made the argument got it completely backwards. The person being given the death penalty has already had their chance at life, and they screwed it up. The child that hasn’t been born, and is given the death penalty hasn’t had their chance at life, so I would consider it to be an unfair verdict, considering that the child has done nothing wrong, other than to exist at an unfortunate moment in the mothers life. On top of which, if you consider the number of abortions in comparison to the number of people killed on death row per year, you will find a stark difference in the numbers. Abortions: over 1 million per year in the US alone. Executions: between 1000 and 5000 per year. Seriously, worst argument in favor of abortion I’ve ever seen.

10. My quote on foolishness was a way of suggesting that you stop talking until you actually inform yourself on this topic.

11. I’ve never heard a single argument by people on the left that could hold water in regards to abortion.

I think it is a key question to decide at what point full-fledged personhood should be accepted for developing fetuses. But I think that we’d be kidding ourselves to say that any scientific, logical or moral process could precisely set that point in a way that everyone would agree on. I think it’s a moral gray area not because science is somehow lacking, but because even defining the terms for such a decision is an arbitrary process. The conceptual target for this decision is inherently fuzzy. But the legal situation requires that a point be set, and that’s what the Supreme Court tried to do. I accept that decision knowing that it is arbitrary, and I think there’s no way around it.

People with absolute views have the comfort of never having to compromise. It really does make the decision easier. I can imagine how unsatisfying it must be to hold absolute views and have to face someone else who talks about “gray areas.” And of course, the reason that abortion will always be such a hot-button issue is the completely irreconcilable nature of this disagreement. I suppose all I can offer is the reassurance that pro-choice people are not just intellectually lazy, callous, promiscuous people. I would caution anyone against presuming to claim absolute moral authority over an issue like this. And I think that all sides of this issue need to try to respect those on the other side, or at least respect their right to make such a decision for themselves.

These are 10 dems out of like 400 that sit in congress today. I rarely here anything about anyone else in congress. These 10 are always so busy hogging the cameras. I’d like to hear from others on both sides of the aisle.

Thier views and opinions on all types of things, including thier honest voting record on subjects that might be of concern to the general public.

But I am curious, please tell me, where do believe a baby becomes a baby? Do you believe it only becomes a baby when it is finally delivered?

You acknowledge that it lives, while inside the womb, but there are stages where you can no longer consider this a simple lump of flesh as so many wish to regulate that to (mainly through the whole pregnancy until brith). When a baby in the womb has a heart beat, would you still consider this a lump flesh? Or moving its arms, or kicking…is it still a lump of flesh..or is it acting out, thinking, kicking, reacting to stimuli?

At what stage in the pregnancy do you consider a baby to be a baby? is it only when the baby is born?

OK, sanity. I’ll try to be more specific. I definitely believe that zygotes, embryos, fetuses, etc., are alive. By definition, they’re human, but I don’t believe that they’re persons until they’ve reached the Supreme Court definition.

Ok, unfortunately the supreme court is not the end all for medical science, and though I would hope that came into play when roe vs wade was being deliberated on, I really don’t think it was in my opinion.

Roe vs wade was decided January 22, 1973. That was 34 years ago!!!

I believe that the medical information that the supreme courts were given was old, and medical science has advanced quite a bit in determining many things…I also believe that roe vs wade should be revisited on the medical basis in itself. Should it be overturned, that isn’t my decision, but I think before we lock it down into “the supreme court decided end of story”, we are also talking medical science – and we are also talking about medical science the law was decided on that is 34 years old.

In some ways I believe many do not want this revisted for one major reason….If medical science proves a baby is a baby in the womb, that can feel stimuli and can can react to its surrounding…..then what is the obvious outcome of the decision? That for many years people have been murdering unborn babies because of a bad decision based on old medical science.

What will happen when or if it ever comes to that? How many people comforted themsleves in saying it was just a lump of flesh….and then to have something like this tell them…no, it was a baby you killed?

I want things like that to stop, not only because of my incredible desire to protect children, especially those that should be protected but aren’t, but because of the natural outcome of such things where these mothers who abort their unborn babies are mentally scarred and physically scarred for the rest of their lives. Some cannot have children no longer because of having an abortion…the mental and physical problems that occur just in that is something why this needs to be revisited also.

It really is something that is downplayed. We hear so much of “it’s a woman body, her right to do what she wants with it”, but you never hear of the other side, the stories of women who are emotionally and physically scarred by this when they have it done. Yes, an ugly truth that never gets any real media or reporting time….because it doesn’t help them promote their cause.

I think that there is a moral gray area about where to set “personhood” in later-stage fetal development, and for that reason, I’m uncomfortable with late-term abortions.

I am glad you actually feel unfortable bob. I am not saying that in a mean way, but I am honest to God glad you feel something in that makes you feel unconfortable, because so many still consider that a lump of flesh and feel nothing because that is all they get inudated with…it’s just a lump of flesh, just get rid of it.

Bob, I want you to read this HERE on the procedure of late term abortions.

I also want you to read this story HERE:

The technician was noncommittal, stoic, and I started feeling uncomfortable. Where I was all bubbly chitchat, she was all furrow-browed concentration. She told us that she had a child with Down syndrome, and that none of her prenatal tests had picked it up. I thought that was odd.

I can tell you this, I had the SAME THING, exact same thing happen to me and my wife. We went in and they saw a small anomaly in the ultrasound and tried to tell us it was a common symptom of downs syndrom and wanted us to consider aborting.

We decided against it, not only because of our belief but because down syndrom babies can live perfectly normal happy lives. Just because of a defect or a problem doesn’t mean we kill a baby off till we get the perfect little baby everyone wants.

I am very furious because as it turned out it was a small vien in my sons testicles that was pulling his penis off to the right, and he had hypospadia (a split down the middle of his penis), both of which were easily corrected with some minor surgery. But their specialists suggested aborting my son.

Here is my son HERE, this is the person, my baby boy, whom they recommended to abort.

If they can’t get shit right today, who is to say what they looked at and determined roe vs wade on medically 34 years ago wasn’t alot worse?

Lastly Bob, I want you to look at these photos Warning very graphic:
photographs of aborted babies, most killed in the second and third trimesters.

I want you to fully understand what the cost of abortion is.

I’m with GWR on this one. When will the dems offer something positive for a change. It seems to me, that you do have some honorable and reasonable men/women in your party.

For one reason or another, it seems like the nutjobs in your party get all the airtime in the msm. If the democratic party would let the good people in thier party to the forefront, I might actually consider voting for a democrat.

Interesting comment coming from someone who supports a party and a philosophy that hasn’t offered anything positive on a single national issue in more than a decade.