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Audacity of Truth
"Diplomacy":
"People are saying what in the world is going on with North Carolina, we look like Mississippi." - NC Gov. Bev Perdue (D) on the passage of Amendment One, 5-11-12
“Rev.” Jesse Jackson will vote for Senator Barack Obama, and NOW endorses Hillary
Ben Smith at The Politico has the report on the Rev. Jackson’s declaration.
And the AP reports on NOW’s endorsement of La Clinton.
In other news, dog bites man.
Update: Speaking of Senator Obama, the Chicago Sun-Times has compiled a list of what they call ‘gaffes’ the Senator has made while on the campaign trail. I think while some could be considered ‘gaffes’, others could be considered outright lies. I link to, you decide:
• Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 “Bloody Sunday” in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together “because of what happened in Selma.” Obama was born in 1961.
• Obama told Larry King on CNN — asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers — “We don’t have the technical capacity to create something like that.”
Obama did not know what he was talking about. Any professional media consultant can manipulate images on video. Turns out the creator — unmasked last week as a political operative who worked for a firm overseeing the technical side of Obama’s Web site — made it at home on a Mac.
• Obama, asked if homosexuality was immoral, in the wake of comments by Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Peter Pace, sidestepped the question. After pressure from gay groups, Obama issued a statement stating he did not agree with Pace “that homosexuality is immoral.”
Cynicism is like terrorism?
• One of Obama’s stump lines is that the biggest obstacle he fights is not any of his rivals, it is cynicism. He used a variation of it during a reception he hosted at a conference here sponsored by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Displaying a tin ear, Obama said that one of the enemies is not “just terrorists” or “just Hezbollah” or “just Hamas” — “it’s also cynicism.”
• The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him — about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.
Insider or outsider?
• Another Obama stump line — he said it again Tuesday morning to the Communications Workers of America here — is that “I’ve been long enough in Washington to know that Washington needs to change.” He is running against Washington yet his campaign is populated with political professionals who are Washington insiders.
• Obama’s embrace of some rhetoric used by rival John Edwards is getting attention. Edwards, in a 2003 speech made for his first presidential run said, “I’ve spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change Washington.”
Bill Burton, an Obama spokesman, said in reaction to the Obama stumbles: “If there are people looking for a candidate running to be the darling of the Washington insider crowd, this campaign is not for them. We are encouraged by the growing, unflinching support of Americans who believe we can transform our country by changing our politics.”
Um, but Bill Burton himself is a Washington insider:
National Press Secretary Bill Burton
(from Jan. 2007) Communications director at the DCCC for the 2006 cycle (started March 2005). Came to the DCCC from the office of Sen. Richard Durbin (IL). Served as a Regional Communications Director on John Kerry’s presidential campaign. Press Secretary for Rep. Dick Gephardt’s Iowa caucus campaign. Press secretary to Sen. Tom Harkin, 2001-03. Earlier worked for U.S. Rep. Bill Luther. Originally from Buffalo, NY.
Gotta love these guys who claim to be “Washington outsiders” but are just as much “insiders” as those “insiders” they claim are so “out of touch” with mainstream America.
I swear, you cannot make this stuff up.
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He’s trying to one-up The Pantsuit on that Selma story. After all, she claimed to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary although she was born eight years before he scaled Mount Everest.
They lie because they are allowed to get away with it.
Actually, being in Washington long enough to know what the problems are but still retaining one’s original sense of responsibility should be a major positive for any candidate who fits the profile. Obama is one such.
That says nothing, of course, about his ability to or how he would actually govern the country. But he’s a damn sight more credible than Hillary Rod ‘Em Clinton, for one. Or John McLame for another.
This is a long race..there will be mistakes and missteps by all of the candidates..no one is perfect..every breath they take is measured every step scrutinized……It all comes down to who can weather the storm…Electing Hillary is essentially giving Bill a third term…….Giuliani and the other republicans have their own credibility issues…..Show me a perfect candidate and I will vote for him or her……
Obama in ‘08
So tell us Bruce, why Obama in 08?
What is it about Obama that has your vote right now?
This isn’t a snide or gotcha, I am curious as what it is about Obama that he has your vote – and at least we can discuss it or see what caught your interest in Obama.
Why I like Obama…..
1. Wasn’t it the republicans a few years ago touting “term limits” the reason being there was too much of the “old regime” doing things the same old way. Obama is a fresh face and not as tainted as the others. Much like Ronald Reagan.(actors guild & governor by Washington terms a pretty short career)
2. He brings brings the hope of a “kinder,gentler” Washington, where there will be more consensus between the two parties. Much like GB the 1st.
3. He has a lot of the intangibles, he’s intelligent, articulate, shows good leadership qualities…(the real success to any president is his ability to work with his cabinet and advisors) Ronnie was good at that too.
4. The time is now…its been a long time since there has not been an incumbent running in both parties including VP’s.
5. JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK
Obama in ‘08
I am willing to entertain any reasonable qualifications, but being black is not a qualification – nor is it something I consider reasonable.
And personally I find it slightly disturbing for any voter to vote for a person just because they are a woman, or black, or even a man.
Your #1, I do agree, there is too much ‘old’ blood in office talk about a need for retirement age for these guys. BUT, if your looking for an actor and fresh face type there is always Thompson also, which does seem to hold alot of the Conservative ideals. Guillani may not be the best, but he has picked up some definate Conservative based support with Steve Forbes, and there was another big conservative name also, but at the moment I forget who it is – and am too lazy to go looking at the moment…lol.
Your #2 I don’t think any of us really know this for certain. A kinder gentler washington? In the times like these we need someone who is willing to stand up and take on both sides, from people in their own party, the opposition, ect – not to be known as the kinder gentler president. I don’t think I like that sense but even in GB-1 he was ripped constantly on by the democrats – with the read my lips as the final blow I think to killing his re-election. Besides, they don’t call clinton ‘Slick willy’ for nothing – he was definately a smooth talker, should have called him the teflon man, since nothing seemed to stick to him….
#3 is really yet to be seen though Bruce, I mean leadership qualities? with what? he is a Freshman senator – he really doesn’t have a background he can point to as far as I can tell. That may not be a bad thing, but you can’t really state, leadership qualities when he really has no record. I will grant you the intelligent and well articulate (well spoken), he is that – but is that enough?
I believe Obama has been inflated by the media itself, and it will really see what type of mettle he is made of as this progresses.
Sanity, Please note being Black was the last thing on my list of reasons….but since you reacted….I can remember a time in this country when you were not allowed to eat in certain restaurants just because you were black…you were not allowed to drink from certain water fountains just because you were black…you were not allowed to vote just because you were black……I am not trying to sound like the victim because that I am not..Maybe I can explain it like this if one of your kids were running for president one of the reasons you would want them to win “just because” they were your kid(don’t know if you have kids just using this as an example)…..Same thing only more extended…..yes first and foremost he needs to win on his character and merit..but there is something inside of me that also wants him to win JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK….
Bruce,
It doesn’t matter if it was the first or last thing. IT WAS ON YOUR LIST. Which makes Sanity’s points poignant.
Being a color does not give you merit or take away from your merit today and for you to “JUSTIFY” by talking about remembering a time in this country is the opposite of justifying. To eradicate judging people by race or skin color or to eradicate discrimination you must have it OFF of YOUR list.
Thank you for your honesty though. We/I want to hear from people that think this way because it’s better to hear honesty than have you cover up your thoughts.
I do rate the opinion that Sanity and I have stated as a better opinion. And I hope more and more people in America take this opinion to heart.
My daughters are half Filipino and half Caucasian and they are 7 and 10 years old. No matter who they go to school with… ALL of those kids should be judged on their merits and not on their skin color or race.
As Ward Connerly repeats so many times in his book “Creating Equal”, if we want to give a hand up we should do so for ALL who are economically or socially disadvantaged and not just for one race or color.
Baklava, Decisions we make are usually based on two major components the first being data/information the second being emotion. When buying a car you may choose a particular type of car based mostly on data/information…but you will most likely choose the color of the car based on emotion “just because you like it” and your decision could be made the other way around mostly based on emotion….but the point I am trying to make “just because he is black” is more the emotional part of my decision….and I will not apologize for it….I really was not trying to justify it…I was just giving you examples of why I felt this way….Please note I said in my comment “First and foremost he needs to win on his character and merit”……Tell me the last decision you made with out any emotion and I am sure it was a dull one…and most likely the wrong one….Trust your gut…….
Obama in’08
I’m not asking you to “apologize” for your emotion based decision.
I thanked you for your honesty. Don’t get defensive.
I’m allowed to point out though that I think the majority of Americans should not think like you do because I’d like to see a color blind America. I’d like to see us choose a president based on the policies he/she advocates.
Is it more leftism (like Obama) which means big government?
Not for me. I’ll be voting for someone who is more center right….. because it’s better for America.
I would like to see a break down of the candidates and what they suppoort, and don’t support.
Then what would be interesting is see who is supporting them, as in like Steve Forbes with Guilliani, and jesse jackson with obama or hillary.
I want to see where they stand, not what color they are.
Also the reason I started with color is because you did have it listed, and you made it prominent by capitalizing it all as if it was the most important. Perhaps it isn’t how you intedned, but that is how it did come across unfortunately.
I truly want to see an election and choice based off of policy, what they can or won’t do, what plans they have for the future of America, how will they bring America forward, how will they continue to protect America, what will they do about illegal immigration, how will they protect our borders, ect.
I could care less if they are green, blue, white, black, or purple (as long as its not Barney…argh!).
I don’t care if they are a woman, a man, gay, straight, married or single.
What race, color, ect should not matter in picking a president.
But I am sure the races will boil down to nothing more than personal attacks, religous backgrounds, what their spouses do or have done, what their children think of them, ect.
ABC even started it, with the wife of Guilliani, a whole segment on her. I was incredulous. We aren’t electing the wives / spouses of the candidates. I really thought it a joke…..
Sanity/Baklava, What don’t you understand about “First and foremost he needs to win on his character and merit”…Yes I am looking and listening to understand what he is supporting, yes I am looking at who is supporting him…Yes I am looking at the other candidates in the same way…My decision is not emotion based…my decision is based on data/information that I have taken in..but to say emotion does not come to play as part of that decision is almost to say you are not human…Baklava you say you have 2 kids…you make decisions that you feel are the best decisions for them based on data/information…but there is emotion in that decision too because you love them…
Personally I hope every one in america votes like me get all the information/data that you can on all of the candidates..then follow your heart….You look at everyone at both the republican and democratic conventions…. see them waving their banners and cheering and tell me there is no emotion involved.
On this very blog Bruce ST published a research center’s analysis that Obama is more liberal (substance) than Hillary. They are both far left.
This government has grown EVERY year (alleged cuts are NOT true) in every category of spending for over 6 decades. Even Republicans when in power have grown government. What this country needs is to be lead via the center for once or from the right.
Bush has lead to the the left (yet called extreme right by people with little perspective) and it has hurt this countries future.
Despite accusations to the contrary – defense spending has gone from 50% of the budget in the 60′s to 20% of the budget today and during that same time the big 3 entitlements have gone from 20% to 51% of the budget.
We have a structural problem with regards to the baby boomers that Bush tried to tackle but leftists were ALL against changing the structural issue and CHOSE to demagogue and not seriously discuss. They chose to accuse erroneously. You probably have the accusations memorized. It doesn’t take a lefty long to start on with the laundry list of inaccurate accusations. You’ve gone the longest without doing it and I thank you.
And I’ve thanked you for your honesty. I didn’t address the merit comment because I wasn’t criticizing that. I was criticizing the voting for because he is black. AND I thankded you for your honest remember but I hope more and more Americans do NOT vote for or against someone because of their color, sex or religion. Except Islam. Call me bigoted but the Koran teaches to kill the infidel. The bible does NOT.
Baklava, Be careful you might be showing a little emotion here….
So where is this candidate you speak of that is suppose to be representative of the center…. introduce me to him or her because I haven’t seen them….I know there is a lot of interest in Thomas, but he isn’t running..so right now who is your man…this is your opportunity to “educate a lefty”…..
Obama in ’08 just because…..
Baklava, …correction to my last comment I meant to say Fred Thompson…
Obama in ’08
Bruce I will admit there doesn’t seem to be much of center just yet, but things are just starting.
Obama looks good for now mainly because of him being a media darling. Personally I haven’t much to attach his name to for a record – though if you have some links for information I will gladly check them out. As of the moment though, I see him mainly puffed up by the media – once the race really starts, we will begin to see the experience and the inexperienced. Personally I think Hillary, if she is going down, will go down swinging.
Thompson may not be running, yet, but depending on the support (which is growing and his poll numbers are climbing and he hasn’t even announced yet) he may very well announce soon enough. I also believe this is the earliest the presidnetial race has ever started….
Now more to the center right (I believe – correct me if I am wrong) you have Newt debating on getting in the race also. But i believe he has alot of baggage also.
Still looking at Mitt Romney, though not sure on him, then there is Duncan Hunter – don’t know alot about him either…
That is why I suggested, or wish someone would do up an expose of all candidates, what they support, what they don’t support, who supports them, and maybe who is backing them with money.
I would love to sit down and compare candidates that way. To be able to have a comparison and to get to know their backgrounds to understand them better….
Then await the debates….
sanity, Here is a shortlist on Obama….
Obama took an active role in the Senate’s drive for improved border security and immigration reform
Beginning in 2005, he co-sponsored the “Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act
Obama later added three amendments to the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act”
In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure fence Act authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.
Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. “Lugar–Obama” expands the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines
President Bush signed into law the “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act” marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.
Obama initiated a sponsorship with Sen. John McCain (R-AZof a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050
Obama introduced the “Iraq War De-Escalation Act” a bill that caps troop levels in Iraq at January 10, 2007 levels, begins phased redeployment on May 1, 2007, and removes all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008.
Obama married in 1992 at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ (and still is can any of the republicans say that)
They have two daughters, Malia, 8, and Natasha, 5.
Obama’s 1995 book, Dreams from My Father, is a memoir of his youth and early career
The first, The Audacity of Hope, was published in October 2006.
More to come…
Obama in ’08 just because….
Baklava, You quoted Ward Connerly earlier…here is another quote from MR. Connerly….try this one for size….
“The fact that Clinton is female or that Giuliani is Italian or that Romney is Mormon is of no consequence to me. On the other hand, it would not be candid of me not to admit to a certain emotional interest in the candidacy of Obama. Given the fact that “interracial” relationships were socially forbidden when Obama was born – a fact with which I am personally familiar – it would be heart-warming, for me, to see the product of such a relationship become president of the United States, just four and a half decades after his birth.
Notwithstanding that certain “emotional interest” Obama will have to compete equally with the other candidates in demonstrating the suitability of his credentials to receive my vote for president. In that regard, this election – more than any other – has caused me to wrestle with the question of what factors are most important in a president.”
Tell me emotion doesn’t matter….
Obama in ’08 just because….
I must agree to your assertion that the short list you provided is all of that, short.
“……Obama initiated a sponsorship with Sen. John McCain (R-AZof a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050
Obama introduced the “Iraq War De-Escalation Act” a bill that caps troop levels in Iraq at January 10, 2007 levels, begins phased redeployment on May 1, 2007, and removes all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008…………” There’s just two reasons why his clueless grasp of factual data and history are detrimental, as well as dangerous.
The short list of what Bruce……and what does the fact that he has daughters and was married in some church in Chicago have to do with anything regarding the leadership of a country? Does that statement mean that you are biased about the unmarried and daughterless, as well as skin color?
However heart-warming, for anyone to see the *product of such a relationship become President of the US* or anything else, as lovely as it feels, has little or nothing to do with a mans abilities. Interracial relationships were indeed socially forbidden when Obama was born but so were traitors. My how the times have changed.
Why are his parents pasts relevant in deciding HIS qualifications or lack thereof? Does that somehow magically engender some kind of special innate talent that requires being worn on the sleeve or should his actions albeit limited present his qualifications?
That’s like saying, “Ted Bundy in ’08 just because”.
Again. To me it’s about the substance when voting and the emotion and I’m not arguing against emotion as you seem to be off track thinking I’m saying.
I’m CLEARLY saying that race should not be a factor in hiring, firing, discrimination or preferential treatment.
It’s wrong. It should be opposed by an ever growing majority of Americans.
Yes. I’m very interested in seeing Thompson run. I would love to see Tom Tancredo run. And I would like to see Mitt Romney run. None of the center/right candidates are perfect (Thompson’s not running) but they would be terrifically better than Obaman purely because of where Obama stands and votes on the issues.
The running candidates may not be in the center center but they are more centrist by FAR than Obama and Hillary. They may not CUT spending but their principles are in a slower growing government which at least would let inflation do some fixing maybe.
BTW, Your short list was mostly leftist positions making America weaker and reducing national security for us in the future and reprioritizing spending towards things that are ridiculous….. Just my humble opinion. You might need to read the threads on this very blog about climate change to understand that last sentence…. SOAK IT IN. I once was a lefty pre-1991 before I visited the library 3 times a week that year and LEARNED. Please don’t be offended by that. Just try for some due diligence on some topics like climate change and economics… You’ll see once you immerse yourself what I’m talking about. If you have any questions we’ll be here to answer them.
OK, to be fair, Bruce has given us a list of Obama’s accomplishments, and none of them has anything to do with race.
So let’s give the list an honest review.
First off: In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure fence Act authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.
As I recall correctly, that bill passed with a substantial majority. Simply supporting it doesn’t speak to leadership. It doesn’t distinguish any one senator any more than the other 70 or so who voted for it.
Here’s the test, Bruce: as you know, the bill authorized building the border fence, but provides no funding for it. Has Obama done anything to actually fund the fence? If you can show us he’s introduced a measure to pay for the fence, that would score some solid points. But simply voting to authorize it but not pay for it is just street theater at best.
Second: Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. “Lugar–Obama” expands the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines
OK. Exactly what does that initiative do? What you’re doing here is reprinting campaign press releases, but not giving any substance. Tell us what effect that has. Does it mean the US isn’t permitted to have shoulder-fired missiles? Who else is affected by it. More details, please.
Third: President Bush signed into law the “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act” marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.
Hardly a sign of leadership. Every Senator at some point gets his first bill enacted into law. OK, except for maybe John Kerry. I’ll give you that Obama’s already ahead of Kerry on this one.
Fourth: Obama initiated a sponsorship with Sen. John McCain (R-AZof a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050
You haven’t seen the extensive global warming debates we’ve had on this blog, have you? Suffice it to say that all this means is that Obama is a follower, not a leader. He’s signed onto the global warming hoax and is trying to enact a law that will only cripple the economy, lower our standard or living, and cost millions of jobs. Sorry, that’s no reason to vote for him. That’s a reason to vote against him.
Finally: Obama introduced the “Iraq War De-Escalation Act” a bill that caps troop levels in Iraq at January 10, 2007 levels, begins phased redeployment on May 1, 2007, and removes all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008.
If there’s anything WORSE he could have done than item 4, this is it. So he’s in favor of surrender in the Middle East and granting al Qaeda a new base of operations in Iraq. Please explain how this can possibly improve national security.
Bottom line, Bruce, is that he’s simply another rather far-left politician with a slim resume. Sorry, there’s nothing there to show leadership – on the contrary, he simply goes along with the leftist crowd right down the line. Can you show us even one issue where he doesn’t take marching orders from the likes of MoveOn.org?
Also, one suggestion – you might want to do more than just copy press releases or campaign web site posts next time. Absorb what the positions MEAN and think about them. We welcome honest debate with differing opinions. Like Baklava said, immerse yourself in the details and see where they lead you.
All, You know what….I like you guys no one here is short of an opinion(LOL)…..May the debate continue…I would have more to say but I have to go…I’ll be back
Obama in ’08 Just because….
Ted Bundy in ’08 just because….
My departing gift got lost in the mail. Trying again………
One more time with feeling and a long bow…………
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I can’t get your link to work right, forest
It worked for me (if all it was was a sound of an arrow hitting plywood). I plaid it 3 times. Cute…
Bak, that’s supposed to be the inside of a door as it closed behind……….
Yup, worked for me too, Forest. I agree with Bak, it sounded kind of like an arrow, especially with the reverb at the end. Nice exit sound though…
GWR and Bak it’s an arrow hitting wood. My version of don’t let the door hit’cha on the way out. I had envisioned the inside of the door as a certain lefty split, w/o enough time to take his flacid talking points w/him.