Then there is the thought that LBJ had a hand in JFK’s assasination, in order to get us into Vietnam. Johnson had thousands of shares of Bell Helicoptor stock. He knew that helicoptors would be used in SE Asia. He was a very wealthy man after Vietnam, well he was a pretty wealthy man before it too.

So I can understand what the 9/11 truthers think, the problem is, as Sev says, the reality of 9/11 just doesn’t add up to what they believe. – Lorica

ST-that was very funny… gumment…

However: I’d still like to know what proof the truthers have about how they set it up… I have some idea of the work it takes to demo a building. Heck we blow them up all the time here in Vegas so they’ve shown ad-naseum what it takes to implode a building, and then it does not always work as planned. The Hacienda did not totally implode and they had to bring in the wrecking ball to finish it off. (That’s where Mandalay Bay is now)

Again wake up and smell the

This summarizes what I see as a very disturbing social trend over the past decade, the staggering rise in gullibility and almost religious fervor of a lot of people for their “beliefs” that fly in the face of all facts and reality. We see it in the “troofers.” We see it in the global warming alarmists, in the “Bush Lied/War for Oil” crowd of leftists, in almost everything the left stands for. Facts, reality, real world ramifications be damned, they don’t want to believe in reality but in their own demented version and the version that’s sold to them by their “leaders.” Anyone who points out the facts is part of a conspiracy or lying or evil. It’s like a perverse merger of village idiocy, the Inquisition, and Orwellian 1984ish “MiniTruth” for them. It’s also remarkably dangerous. You can have a free society when people disagree on things, how best to handle problems, but when a very large number of people opt to completely ignore reality and ignore the problems or misrepresent them and insist that what they want to believe is true is what the facts are, you can’t even have the beginning of a rational or fruitful debate with them. This is a trend as or more dangerous than the decay of societal morals we discussed in the Opie and Anthony thread, morals are one thing, but rabid and obsessive anti-reality mindsets are even worse.

You see it in the entire Wilson/Niger thing. Wilson has lied thru his teeth, he’s apparently either a compulsive lier or he is so completely cynical and amoral he’ll say anything to accomplish his end. And even though the cooler heads, even among Senate Democrats, who sat in on his testimony and the CIA found that his trip to Niger supported the claim that Iraq was sniffing around trying to buy yellowcake, the meme that gets put out again and again is that he wasn’t lying, the Whitehouse was. This is made all the worse by cynical, power hungry politicians who encourage the use of falsehoods as truth, for sort term gain, ignoring the deadly long term effects of legitimizing this kind of lunacy and selective interpretation of facts. 23 reasons were put forth in the Authorization for military force in Iraq, 23, but the left and Dems insist to a willing and gullible audience, including their water carriers in the MSM, that it was ONLY WMD. The damage such people and organizations are doing to civilization is not trivial.

Because of the internet you now have dozens of “9/11 was an inside job” web sites. They are all full of the same half truths, fabrications, misquotes, and outright lies that have been more than adequately debunked over the years by any number of reputable scientists, structural engineers, and forensic crime scene investigators, but the “truthers” don’t ever change. They simply state anyone who disagrees with them is “in on the government conspiracy” and go back to their “straw man” arguments, misinformation, and ad hominem attacks on everyone who disagrees with them. Nothing ever changes in their “prove nothing-accept nothing” world. And they keep bouncing back and forth on each others web sites like Scientologists at Top Cruise personal appearances.

Professional liberal pols like John Edwards are easy to set up by producers of youtube destined “9/11 truth” videos because, truth be told, the entire “troofer moofment” flies under the radar of the professional polling teams working for electoral candidates. Troofers will argue that something like 145% of voters polled agree Bush Almighty either knew of, or orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, but of course, they are citing their own “polls” and “calculations” when doing so.

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This guy, does not particularly care for the Bush administration so you can’t use the “He’s a Bush lapdog” theory.

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I’ve dealt with lunatics like y’all before, back in the “we didn’t land on the moon!” days. Loved the “You can’t see the stars in the pictures!” Well duh, you sit there and explain to them the difference in brightness, how standard film has a range of 5 stops, what “stops” correspond to in terms of brightness, etc. After all that effort, what do you get? “Yeah, just what I thought, you have no answer, you can’t see the stars in the pictures!”

It’s exactly the same here, the idiotic lies and beliefs of these wackos have debunked time and time and time again. I love the one about how long it “really” takes to intercept an aircraft over the continental US based on an incident over a decade ago where they can’t even discern the difference between 22 minutes and 1 hour and 22 minutes because they can’t tell the difference between Eastern Standard Time and Central Standard Time. What a bunch of maroons! But of course, time zones are all a Bush led government plot!

They feed on their own flawed “research” done by themselves or other idiots with the same mental illness, spinning ever tighter and more convoluted wheels within wheels conspiracy theories, all completely based on nothing and a willful ignorance of the truth of the world and the facts. It’s an alluring fantasy I guess, in that like most psychotic delusions, it carries it’s own answer to reality in that reality is always labeled as part of the conspiracy so you don’t have to believe in it if it contradicts your delusions.

Are you going to argue with Morgan Reynolds? He was in the Bush administration. That would be Bush 43. GWB. Why don’t you argue with the physicists, Lorica? I think you are too afraid to look. It scares the bejeezus out of you, to think that much.

Lots of laughing among the doubters, but no research.

That’s a lie. There are links in several comments in this thread that put to bed the myths about “blowing up WTC7″ on 9-11, but people who have so little going on in their lives that they sit around brewing up conspiracy theories are too stupid to believe them and understand them.

There are people in the 911CommissionReport, that acknowledge the government cover-up.

There is the ex former CIA director.

There are physicists.

There are numerous former military intelligence officers.

There are engineers.

There are explosive experts.

There is a former NASA hot shot.

There are firement.

There are pilots.

There are numerous former administration officials within both Republican and Democrat presidencies, even one from this administration stating the factual observations.

There are documentries galore you can watch on the web, which are posted over at Dana’s. There is one site which lists statements, and videoed statements of some of the prominent people also on the site, which I can’t post here, because every time I do, it gets dropped into the spam box of each and every blog, I try to drop it into. Dana retrieves it for me, and posts it, not because he is one that fathoms this, but because he is an honorable host. If you are a curious individual (a sign of intelligence) do your own research, there is plenty out there if you are not too afraid to look, but, then, there are those too afraid to be willing to admit that the facts are plentiful on the side of government complicity.

Here are some worthwhile sources within this commentary stream at Dana’s: http://commonsensepoliticalthought.com/?p=1554