by Chris Colvin
Hi. Still battling it out over Iraq in Washington.. with the new twist that Bin Laden seems determined to attack inside the U.S… again. Also, nervous knots over the state of the subprime mortgage debt situation, Fred Thompson runs a …

For 15 years, Rowan Scarborough has covered the Pentagon for the Washington Times and is one of the most respected—and news-breaking—defense reporters in the country, with unparalleled sources in the Department of Defense. But he has sources all over the Slough of Despond we call out Nation’s Capital, including patriotic people in all levels of national security—from field officers to high-ranking analysts to former intelligence heads—and now the bestselling author of Rumsfeld’s War reveals how CIA bureaucrats are undermining President Bush and the War on Terror through disinformation, incompetence and outright sabotage.

This is a disturbing picture of partisan politics endangering the success of our campaigns abroad…and the very lives of our soldiers and agents fighting the War on Terror.

Sabotage will describe:

• How CIA’s war on the administration began, exposing the myth of a “conservative” CIA

• How the president’s opponents in the CIA worked with the media to trick four powerful lawmakers into doing its bidding

• How some senior CIA officials openly battled the administration and ran a disinformation campaign against the Commander-in-Chief

• How Porter Goss, former Director of Central Intelligence, was eaten alive by the CIA’s bureaucracy

• How the Joe Wilson-Valerie Plame “scandal” was a set-up from Day One

• How the Agency still manages some intelligence successes—and why we don’t hear about them

• How little the CIA knows about what could be the next target in the War on Terror: Iran

Bet that would be an excellent read.

And by the way, here (Clinton) why don’t you use your defense of a “bunch of partisans were behind the conviction” as you do with Libby???

I am not using this defense because Bill Clinton 1st lied to the grand jury, then admitted that he had the affair, and confessed his crimes for all America. Bill Clinton, as usual, is his own worst partisan.

All I ask is for consistency. Is that too much to ask from you???

I ask the same of you please. Your rememberances of events are abit off from reality, as proved from the above.

gil you are constantly attempting to prove something to me that you will never be able to prove. I have zero (0) respect for you, and I just don’t learn well from people I don’t respect. You have only pointed out the obvious, and have not sourced that at all. I do tend to work in theory, and speculation, and at no point in time have I confused them for reality. I quite well understand what reality is gil. The reality of what I have seen so far from you, is that you are still upset about Libby’s Commutation, and you want to let the whole world know that “HE WAS CONVICTED BY A JURY”!!! Yippie, skippy!!! He also had that sentence commuted. I only said what I said about Libby due to some other poster making some stupid comment about a comment I made about Bill Clinton. /whew Talk about a run on sentence.

Now you can say what you want about me, I don’t really care. Honestly it really doesn’t bother me that you and I won’t see eye to eye on these subjects. It would bother me and has, when Dear Sis and I have disagreed or when myself and other posters here disagree, mostly because I respect them, and have learned so much from them. I don’t think you are right, I think you like to believe you are, and I am certain when this all plays out, you will be more right than I, or at least in your own mind that will be true. I personally think you have a very empty life if you have taken it upon yourself to “correct” me with such consistancy. I would like to thank you, I have enjoyed myself, but honestly this horse is quite dead, and no matter how hard you beat it, it just ain’t commin’ back to life. Take Care gil, the pleasure was all mine. – Lorica

Of course, the poster feels the need to say, without any proof, that Dems and Reps alike will be caught in this prostitution scandal.

And I’m sure when a democrat’s name does come out in that book, you’ll rush right back here to apologize, right Fred?

I won’t hold my breath.

by Chris Colvin
Hi. Still battling it out over Iraq in Washington.. with the new twist that Bin Laden seems determined to attack inside the U.S… again. Also, nervous knots over the state of the subprime mortgage debt situation, Fred Thompson runs a …

Err, we didn’t need approval, it had already been granted for the original Gulf War, which ended in a cease fire conditional on Iraq’s continuing to abide by terms that they had flagrantly violated. This was a continuation of the original war, not a new one. The UN confirmed that when they voted to agree that Iraq was in material breach of the UN resolutions. If they had not wanted the war to go on they could have held a vote on that issue and specifically said they didn’t find a breach sufficient to warrant military action, they didn’t.

Besides, since when does the US need UN permission? And secondly, many in the UN were getting very wealthy on Oil for Food money, so the UN is hardly going to be an honest arbiter of the worlds problems.

Or is all of the above too nuanced for you?

Yeah, and the OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE U.S.GOVERNMENT before then was that there were. So what? And you do realize that the munitions that were found were found for the most part after May of 2003.

As for the mobile labs, you are of course aware, as all liberals are sooo well informed, that three different agencies reigned in on the labs, the ISG, the DIA, and the CIA, and two of the three said they were biowar labs. Why that got downgraded to not being a biowar lab is beyond me. And generating hydrogen via biomass to float weather balloons makes absolutely no sense in a hydrocarbon rich country like Iraq, you can crack it off of natural gas a lot more easily.

And as I said before I’ll believe NGIC before I believe most of the other alphabet agencies, as I have experience with them and how they operate. I strongly suspect the closest you’ve ever gotten to the intel community gil is the NYT editorial pages.

You talk about a rush to war, 18 months is a rush eh? And that loooong rush has nothing to do with not finding larger quantities of WMD in Iraq. And the fact that he had significant dual use capabilities and stockpiles of precursors that could have been turned into nice shiny new chemical weapons and more in a matter of weeks if sanctions had been removed is of course nothing to worry about, move along, nothing to see here.

You, like most liberals, have a serious failure of imagination. You’d apparently be perfectly fine living next to a proven serial killer who’s got a gun if the gun wasn’t actually loaded but the bullets were in the kitchen drawer. Fortunately for us, people as politically blinded to the realities of the world usually don’t wind up running the country.

the OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT is that after sending the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) in May 2003, experts and politicians agreed that there were no WMD’s found.

Sounds very similar to what was said about my Mothers clean bill of health, two months before she died of breaches in her immune system.

Allow me to put this in simple terms that even the simplest leftard moonbat can grasp, even while in the throngs of a compassionate battle during a saturday night ride with a pulsating bong…..Run long and hard as you like but unless you abide on a different planet and your filtrate breathings require no oxygen, these Islamic basturds – for whatever reasonings Da jour, want your head removed from your body.

While you coo and resonate in the corner, having convinced the elder teens in your group that your twisted imbalance is in fact, a fact, you simply bring about yours as well as our own demise on a more expedient scale for them. THAT is what apologists DO! BS kills and so does BDS. Is this your goal? Do you even have a goal that can be even REMOTELY defined, as something relevant to the American way of life?

Feel free to leave the country and show the world a better way. LEAD! SHOW us something, as your insistent childish babblings fall short! Even the mindless wanderers of climactic toadstools had a plan! Your examples of idiocy are extremely precious but not to Americans! Not to folks who’ve sacrificed their own and have “Knowledge” of what it takes to keep the only country in the world like this moving forward.

No need to lead by example.

All you have to do is say what’s right. It doesn’t mean people should look to you to do what’s right.

Given the long list of GOP politicians who have done depraved things in the past few years, this is the only way that their faithful can continue to claim ownership of morality.

This post is hypocrisy in the extreme. Essentially, this post is telling us that the people claiming ownership of morality should not be held to account for doing immoral things – that their intentions, rather than their actions, are the true measure of their morality.

Of course, the poster feels the need to say, without any proof, that Dems and Reps alike will be caught in this prostitution scandal. I’m sure we’ll see who’s involved. But until then, don’t paint it as a bipartisan problem. Instead, consider the count of high-profile conservatives who have been caught in sexual scandals recently, then compare them to high-profile liberals.

Then again, you’ll find one liberal and claim it equals 10 conservatives – just as your ilk claims William Jefferson balances out all the indicted Republicans.

Fred

Let me rephrase your question to make my point because perspective matters

What on [h]earth does that have to do with Bush/Congress/29+ countries going to war after believing the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Britian, France, Russia, and Germany and having evidence with the added time of folks like you that made it a 14 month long rush to war that weapons were shipped to Syria.

gil wrote with no logic, “Look Sir, I believe that Bush tried to push the case of war on WMD’s”

Yes, he inserted those beliefs into Albright, Gore, Clinton and Kerry back in 1998, and the 5 intel agencies above. Bush is magic ! Or your logic is flawed.

You are sounding like a broken record because we simply disagree with your version of the facts. Your perspective is flawed. I simply disagree with your last statement which isn’t even based on my original statement about the U.N. Iraq faced “serious consequences” listed in point 12 of Resolution 1441.

Homework questions:
1) What war has ever been run without “flaws”?
2) What year was intelligence 100% correct in any country?
3) What invasion has the U.N. ever “approved” or “authorized”?
4) How many Vietnamese were killed after we left Vietnam?
5) Do you believe that we would be responsible for the humanitarian crisis that most even Democrats admit is likely to happen if we leave Iraq?
6) Was the war against Germany a preemptive war in WW2?
7) How many American Marines died in just capturing the one island of Iwo Jima and what length of time did that take?
Is America ever allowed to take military action in it’s interests in your mid without the U.N. explicitly authorizing military force or an “invasion”?
9) Did Clinton obtain “permission” from the U.N. for it’s use of force in Yugoslavia?
10) Are American troops in Bosnia now?
11) How many years did it take to rebuild Japan and Germany after WW2?
12) About how many American troops are in Iraq versus other parts of the world?
13) Do you like your women in burka’s – no need to answer that one but if you would do the rest. Should be easy questions because you are so smart right?

Your know I have to say you lost me.

You quote me ” The difference is that Bush decided to go to war Vs. Iraq before having conclusive evidence” In reference to WMD’s.

And you question my “perspective”

Because according to you ” Bush and Congress decided as with the U.N resolution that called for the use of force against Iraq, and 29 Nations joined us, and I am ignoring their contributions, and it only shows that I am a Liberal (of course), and the coalition was bigger than in Desert Storm”…. etc, etc.

What on hearth does that have to do with Bush going to war before getting conclusive evidence of WMD’s????? Why am I loosing “perspective” if I point out to you and others that it is not only reasonable, but down right absoultely indispensable for us Americans to expect our Commander in Chief, to have absolute proof of his claims before he sends people into harms way????

What on hearth do you think is the Commander in Chief’s MOST BASIC responsability in deciding when to send our best to die??? ….. Goose bumps, CIA reports doctored by Cheney???? Claims by some character exile from Iraq????

Look Sir, I believe that Bush tried to push the case of war on WMD’s and links to Al Quaida without any solid facts, because he honestly belived there was a case to be made, and his gut instinct was correct. In pushing the case with no real facts he risked his reputation, and America’s reputation if proven worng. Well turns out he was wrong. That is a fact, there were no WMD’s ( I am sounding like a broken record by now). I also believe that Bush Sr did not invade Iraq in Desert Storm because he knew the consecuences…. You know? What you see now in Iraq…. A BLOODY MESSS!!!!! THOSE CONSECUENCES. So my “perspective” and that of SR. is fine thank you…. I wonder about yours.

What does other Nations joing us in the war has to do with perspective?? Good for them they were our allies, they took Bush’s word for it, and Congress the same. On way does the support of Nations, and Congress justify a Leader that did not look hard enough and RUSH US INTO A WAR BEFORE THE FACTS WERE IN????

If anithing it makes it more glaringly wrong….. AS IN THEY ALL TRUSTED US AND WE FAIL THEM!!!!!!!!

One final comment. The U.N did not approve any invasion Vs. Iraq Sir. Check that fact of yours.

Look this is what I believe maine you can understand.

No one forced Clinton to have a grand time in the oval office with Monica. It was his descision. He did it knowing full well as a Lawyer, that in an investigation such as the one he was experiencing under Ken Star, he could face a perjury trap at any moment. And he arrogantly rolled the dice and lost the bet. For Liberals to say it was not right for the Republicans to yake the moment and tun with it, is naive. Can I remind them that they all are politicians in Washington? Politics is a contact sport. You give them an open lane, and they score a touch down what do you Liberals expect? Mercy???.

In Libby’s case he went to testify to a a Federal Grand Jury, and as a Lawyer( Just like Clinton) he should have known better. You roll the dice and lie at your own paril. Or you lie, and have a have a get out of jail card rolled up your sleve just in case.
I don’t care in Libby’s case or in Clinton’s case about the fairness of their case. Some say life is not fair, and they are probably right.

In the cases of Libby, Clinton, and so many other politicians convicted, pardoned, or ignored the common denominator is that they all know the score, and they all are tough guys with plenty of support behind them.

They don’t believe in fairness (you live that to us), they believe in power. As in the power to get away with it, or on the other side in the power to make you pay for it.

It’s a power struggle nothing more. Is the arrogance that makes politicians believe they are above the law…. Because they are. It’s the arrogance that takes to try to impeach a President and put everithing on hold because you can, and the President gave you an opening…. And America can go to hell. It’s the power to try to put a good soldier (Libby) in jail because he was sent to lie for his boss. And then his boss demonstrating to the Democrats who has still the power in Washington.

It’s egos, and red meat for the base, and the partisans that’s all. They go to make a book and make millions, and we go to our beds angry with a guy named Gil or Lorica that we don’t agree with.

Thinking how “unfair” the Republicans or the Democrats are. Yeah right.

I was not born Monday you know.

About Libby.

Where you in the Jury by any chance. Because I was not and therefore I have no business (or you) in “debating” the particulars of a case we don’t know nothing about.

I do make the point that you either accept the system that convicted Libby, or you don’t…. Your right.

But be consistent. You see this is not about what you believe, any more than a Liberal believes that Clinton was unjustly charged by Ken Star. This is about what 12 jurors believed, and in the case of Clinton what Congress believed. If it was a Republican Congress makingthe Clinton impeachment desisition so be it …. You play with the hand you are delt. And by the way, here (Clinton) why don’t you use your defense of a “bunch of partisans were behind the conviction” as you do with Libby??? Or what do you think Republican Congressman were when they were trying to impeach Clinton???

All I ask is for consistency. Is that too much to ask from you???