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	<title>Comments on: Delusional &#8220;We are the center&#8221; Kos writes piece on how the Dem party &#8220;won&#8221; the mainstream (MORE: KOS TO DEBATE HAROLD FORD, JR. ON SUNDAY)</title>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-716093</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw Harold Ford and this weirdo from kos on meet the depressed Sunday and Ford whipped that little pansy assed idiot from kossy land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw Harold Ford and this weirdo from kos on meet the depressed Sunday and Ford whipped that little pansy assed idiot from kossy land.</p>
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		<title>By: Great White Rat</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-716035</link>
		<dc:creator>Great White Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We knew he was pro-(life), anti-gay, anti-science, and the whole lot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, ST is right - Shuler is not a far-left loon and the nutroots supported him only because they sensed a chance to get a Republican seat.  That still hardly makes Kos the &quot;center&quot;.  Shuler, maybe; Kos no.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But we liked his stances on labor, energy, the environment, education, and openness in government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All of which the Kos-supported congress has done absolutely nothing about...except for openness in government, where they&#039;ve gone in reverse.  So do you plan to run challenges against, say, Reid, Pelosi, and the rest?  Or is all this talk about &quot;the center&quot; just a smokescreen to blur the nutroots&#039; socialist, anti-American agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We knew he was pro-(life), anti-gay, anti-science, and the whole lot.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, ST is right &#8211; Shuler is not a far-left loon and the nutroots supported him only because they sensed a chance to get a Republican seat.  That still hardly makes Kos the &#8220;center&#8221;.  Shuler, maybe; Kos no.</p>
<blockquote><p>But we liked his stances on labor, energy, the environment, education, and openness in government.</p></blockquote>
<p>All of which the Kos-supported congress has done absolutely nothing about&#8230;except for openness in government, where they&#8217;ve gone in reverse.  So do you plan to run challenges against, say, Reid, Pelosi, and the rest?  Or is all this talk about &#8220;the center&#8221; just a smokescreen to blur the nutroots&#8217; socialist, anti-American agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Screwy Hoolie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Screwy Hoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I meant that we knew he was pro-life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I meant that we knew he was pro-life.</p>
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		<title>By: Screwy Hoolie</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-716007</link>
		<dc:creator>Screwy Hoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak for Markos, but the progressive netroots worked very hard for Heath Shuler in the runup to the &#039;06 elections.  We knew he was pro-choice, anti-gay, anti-science, and the whole lot.  But we liked his stances on labor, energy, the environment, education, and openness in government.

And we loathed Congressman Charles Taylor.

Just Google Charles Taylor and you&#039;ll see how much progressive netroots activity sprung up against The Lump and in favor of Heath Shuler.

So, yes, Kos&#039; statement about progressives supporting &#039;muscular Democrats&#039; is true in the case of Heath Shuler.  We did it in NC-11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Markos, but the progressive netroots worked very hard for Heath Shuler in the runup to the &#8216;06 elections.  We knew he was pro-choice, anti-gay, anti-science, and the whole lot.  But we liked his stances on labor, energy, the environment, education, and openness in government.</p>
<p>And we loathed Congressman Charles Taylor.</p>
<p>Just Google Charles Taylor and you&#8217;ll see how much progressive netroots activity sprung up against The Lump and in favor of Heath Shuler.</p>
<p>So, yes, Kos&#8217; statement about progressives supporting &#8216;muscular Democrats&#8217; is true in the case of Heath Shuler.  We did it in NC-11.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715986</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my district Brad Ellsworth won the election as a blue dog. He is pro gun rights, pro life, and pro military.

I think that corruption had something to do with the lost election, but I think the right went too far on immigration and that alienated some people in the center.

I do not have the link handy but I read recently that a record number of Americans are refusing to identify with either party.

Most Americans are center/right, in fact about 47% say they consider themselves moderates.

They want to see more border security but do support a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for some of the people already here.

They do not like abortion, do not want to pay for it, do want to know if their kids are trying to get abortions, but do not want an outright ban on abortion.

They are tired of the war, but want to win and do not want to see a surrender.

They do not want small government so much as they want effective and honest government.

etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my district Brad Ellsworth won the election as a blue dog. He is pro gun rights, pro life, and pro military.</p>
<p>I think that corruption had something to do with the lost election, but I think the right went too far on immigration and that alienated some people in the center.</p>
<p>I do not have the link handy but I read recently that a record number of Americans are refusing to identify with either party.</p>
<p>Most Americans are center/right, in fact about 47% say they consider themselves moderates.</p>
<p>They want to see more border security but do support a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for some of the people already here.</p>
<p>They do not like abortion, do not want to pay for it, do want to know if their kids are trying to get abortions, but do not want an outright ban on abortion.</p>
<p>They are tired of the war, but want to win and do not want to see a surrender.</p>
<p>They do not want small government so much as they want effective and honest government.</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They keep making noises about impeaching both Bush and Cheney. It they made that stick (just if), that would make Pelosi President, coming from Speaker of the House. Can you imagine the difficulties the country would be in then? When people are able to live in such total denial of reality as these folks clearly do, and she has made it clear that she certainly does also, they are in no position to govern. We allow certain forms of insanity to wander the streets freely, but we certainly do not want to allow it in important public office and we are at some risk of having that happen, both now and in the future with the election that is coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They keep making noises about impeaching both Bush and Cheney. It they made that stick (just if), that would make Pelosi President, coming from Speaker of the House. Can you imagine the difficulties the country would be in then? When people are able to live in such total denial of reality as these folks clearly do, and she has made it clear that she certainly does also, they are in no position to govern. We allow certain forms of insanity to wander the streets freely, but we certainly do not want to allow it in important public office and we are at some risk of having that happen, both now and in the future with the election that is coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Signs of the Apocalypse [UPDATED]</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715960</link>
		<dc:creator>Signs of the Apocalypse [UPDATED]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And Sister Toldja takes on the Kos op-ed here.   Posted by Jeff G. @ 3:52 pm &#124; Trackback Share This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Skubinna</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715951</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Skubinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, G Monster, I think Marie of Roumania is who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, G Monster, I think Marie of Roumania is who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715949</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST observes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
This is really so easy to figure out that even Kos should be able to: If Americans were really in favor of those &quot;progressive&quot; policies, by now we&#039;d have already seen the following happen with a veto-proof majority in Congress, on issues that are of paramount importance to the far left
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly!

Since the time of Watergate and Vietnam, the left has been exaggerating its influence and importance. The public&#039;s attitude toward the Vietnam War turned, not because of the far left&#039;s protests, but because Walter Cronkite, after a trip to the region, returned to broadcast that the war was unwinnable. 

Nixon resigned, not because of left-wing protests, but because the center rejected him, and the right (recall Barry Goldwater&#039;s visit to the White House to persuade Nixon to resign) abandoned him.

The left, with its chronic Attention Deficit Disorder, can&#039;t focus long enough or hard enough to effect anything. (The current craze, environmentalism, just jumped the shark with the New York Times&#039;s hysteria about bottled water. With that issue having dealt with, no doubt the left will soon turn its attention to something else.) Today&#039;s left spews forth blather in a steady stream of words, but it fails to act on anything of substance. That a Stalinist like Kos holds any influence at all is a sign of how far the left&#039;s influence has declined.

Imagine what FDR or Harry Truman would have thought of a jerk like that! Imagine what LBJ would think of a so-called Senate leader like Harry Reid.

:-w</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ST observes:</p>
<blockquote><p>
This is really so easy to figure out that even Kos should be able to: If Americans were really in favor of those &#8220;progressive&#8221; policies, by now we&#8217;d have already seen the following happen with a veto-proof majority in Congress, on issues that are of paramount importance to the far left
</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly!</p>
<p>Since the time of Watergate and Vietnam, the left has been exaggerating its influence and importance. The public&#8217;s attitude toward the Vietnam War turned, not because of the far left&#8217;s protests, but because Walter Cronkite, after a trip to the region, returned to broadcast that the war was unwinnable. </p>
<p>Nixon resigned, not because of left-wing protests, but because the center rejected him, and the right (recall Barry Goldwater&#8217;s visit to the White House to persuade Nixon to resign) abandoned him.</p>
<p>The left, with its chronic Attention Deficit Disorder, can&#8217;t focus long enough or hard enough to effect anything. (The current craze, environmentalism, just jumped the shark with the New York Times&#8217;s hysteria about bottled water. With that issue having dealt with, no doubt the left will soon turn its attention to something else.) Today&#8217;s left spews forth blather in a steady stream of words, but it fails to act on anything of substance. That a Stalinist like Kos holds any influence at all is a sign of how far the left&#8217;s influence has declined.</p>
<p>Imagine what FDR or Harry Truman would have thought of a jerk like that! Imagine what LBJ would think of a so-called Senate leader like Harry Reid.</p>
<p><img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_waiting.gif' alt='&#58;&#45;&#119;' class='wp-smiley' width='23' height='18' title='&#58;&#45;&#119;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Pirate&#8217;s Cove &#187; &#62;&#62;Americans Never Quit &#187; Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pirate&#8217;s Cove &#187; &#62;&#62;Americans Never Quit &#187; Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sister Todljah does some serious dumpster diving. If you don&#8217;t have rubber gloves, put some saran wrap over your hands as you read [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sister Todljah does some serious dumpster diving. If you don&#8217;t have rubber gloves, put some saran wrap over your hands as you read [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715933</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kos has been drinking mushroom tea if they think they have won the center.
Talk about a river of denial being in Eygpt. good God, these clowns are really loons from the word go.:d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kos has been drinking mushroom tea if they think they have won the center.<br />
Talk about a river of denial being in Eygpt. good God, these clowns are really loons from the word go.<img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_bigsmile.gif' alt='&#58;&#100;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#100;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715910</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, I absolutely agree. I&#039;ve linked at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brightandearlyblog.com/2007/08/must-read-2/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;bRight &amp; Early&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and submitted the story at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gophub.com/upcoming.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;GOP Hub&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, I absolutely agree. I&#8217;ve linked at <a href="http://www.brightandearlyblog.com/2007/08/must-read-2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>bRight &amp; Early</strong></a> and submitted the story at <a href="http://www.gophub.com/upcoming.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>GOP Hub</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: G Monster</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715897</link>
		<dc:creator>G Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kos is the center and I&#039;m the queen of England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kos is the center and I&#8217;m the queen of England.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/11/delusional-kos/comment-page-1/#comment-715862</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent story, ST, simply excellent. Folks like Kos and his Kids have to lie, distort, and cheat, and their version of reality is worse then someone on microdots at a Dead concert.

I sincerely hope you own one of those showers they use for chemical spill disasters after that dumpster dive :d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent story, ST, simply excellent. Folks like Kos and his Kids have to lie, distort, and cheat, and their version of reality is worse then someone on microdots at a Dead concert.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope you own one of those showers they use for chemical spill disasters after that dumpster dive <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_bigsmile.gif' alt='&#58;&#100;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#100;' /></p>
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