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		<title>By: sunsettommy</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/08/30/consensus-what-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-718288</link>
		<dc:creator>sunsettommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consensus mantra is a bogus argument anyway.

Since science research depends on being able to VALIDATE the research sometime down the road after that paper is published.

If these AGW&#039;s believers really had their case down to pat.They would have taken in all comers in debates and show the science in them.

Meanwhile good scientists would have stayed out of the political arena and also the environmental one too.

The consensus and scaremongering are classic hallmarks of political environmentalism we have been subjected to for decades from DDT to famine claims.

From Rachel Carson to Lester Brown to Al Gore to James Hansen.They all share the irrational fearmongering of an impending catastophe.

I for one wish the people stop being so easily manipulated and lied to.

Rational Skepticism can literally save your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consensus mantra is a bogus argument anyway.</p>
<p>Since science research depends on being able to VALIDATE the research sometime down the road after that paper is published.</p>
<p>If these AGW&#8217;s believers really had their case down to pat.They would have taken in all comers in debates and show the science in them.</p>
<p>Meanwhile good scientists would have stayed out of the political arena and also the environmental one too.</p>
<p>The consensus and scaremongering are classic hallmarks of political environmentalism we have been subjected to for decades from DDT to famine claims.</p>
<p>From Rachel Carson to Lester Brown to Al Gore to James Hansen.They all share the irrational fearmongering of an impending catastophe.</p>
<p>I for one wish the people stop being so easily manipulated and lied to.</p>
<p>Rational Skepticism can literally save your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>algore, paging algore, what ya think about them apples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>algore, paging algore, what ya think about them apples?</p>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Global Warming math lesson:  Less then half = consensus; and Eco-Confessions!&lt;/strong&gt;

Just thought I would point out the obvious fact that is it getting harder to claim a consensus when over half of the scientists don&#039;t buy the holy consensus. 
 
 
  Breaking: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Global Warming math lesson:  Less then half = consensus; and Eco-Confessions!</strong></p>
<p>Just thought I would point out the obvious fact that is it getting harder to claim a consensus when over half of the scientists don&#8217;t buy the holy consensus. </p>
<p>  Breaking: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: camojack</title>
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		<dc:creator>camojack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Consensus? What consensus?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Yeah, really... :-\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Consensus? What consensus?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Yeah, really&#8230; <img src='http://sistertoldjah.com/smilies/yahoo_question.gif' alt='&#58;&#45;&#92;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#45;&#92;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Severian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Severian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0830/p01s01-wogi.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;More people, more concrete, and lots more heat in Phoenix&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

This article doesn&#039;t get into the shrieking about we&#039;re all doomed and that everything is due to global warming. It&#039;s a remarkably intelligent description of the urban heat island effect and includes intelligent approaches to address this issue. This makes a lot more sense than global income redistribution/ponzi schemes and anti-capitalistic policies that accomplish nothing with respect to warming. Microclimate effects are where we should be concentrating our efforts. As the article states, there&#039;s now a 14 deg F temp difference between Phoenix and a rural site 50 miles away, up from 6 deg F difference in the 50&#039;s. Reducing the global temp by 1 deg will be undetectable even if you could do it, dropping a city&#039;s temp 10 deg is a major improvement, if it&#039;s possible. It may be, with the approaches mentioned, and this is where we need to be concentrating our efforts:

&lt;blockquote&gt;More People, More Concrete, and Lots More Heat in Phoenix

This &quot;one&quot; directly corresponds with another No. 1 â€“ its status as the fastest-growing state in the nation. While news of global warming becomes as common as the wheeze of air conditioners here, Phoenix is fighting a different, if related, problem. In part because of heavy growth â€“ particularly in the Phoenix metro area â€“ heat is being reflected, trapped, and absorbed in concrete, rooftops, and a maze of buildings that blocks wind. At the same time, there&#039;s little vegetation to absorb the heat, and high energy usage generates more.

It&#039;s called the &quot;urban heat-island effect,&quot; and whatever the impact of global warming here, this phenomenon is sending the mercury rising. On Tuesday, Phoenix tied the all-time record of 28 days at 110 degrees or greater in one summer, reached in 1979 and again in 2002. If the temperature rises to 110 degrees one more day this year, Phoenix will set a record.

.....

Dr. Golden points to differing temperatures between downtown Phoenix and a rural weather station at the Casa Grande National Monument, about 50 miles southeast. In 1950, he says, it was only six degrees warmer in Phoenix than at the Casa Grande Monument. By 2000, the temperature in Phoenix was 12 degrees higher. Now, it is almost 14 degrees warmer in the city than in the adjacent rural areas.

......

Looking toward solutions

Here in the Phoenix area, for example, 40 percent of the heat-island effect is due to paved surfaces, according to Golden. &quot;We&#039;re trying to transition to pervious pavement, which would allow for water penetration,&quot; he says.

That, he adds, would support the growth of urban vegetation, which is typically removed for new building projects. And urban vegetation planted at intervals, as well as the water pervious pavement retains, would lead to cooler temperatures at night.

&quot;If we were to take all the surfaced parking lots in this city and cover them with 50 percent tree cover,&quot; that would significantly decrease the surface temperatures, he says. His department is also studying the survival methods of this area&#039;s early inhabitants, such as the Hohokam with their earthen structures.

Today, two-story houses are popular, he says. But what if policymakers were to ban future building of two-story houses â€“ or at least upper floors â€“ in order to make buildings shorter, and less prone to trapping heat. Instead, housing plans could include basements, he says, which would naturally remain cooler â€“ though the prospect of lower levels has long been considered too expensive or difficult, despite the plethora of inground pools.

The good news about these rises in temperatures, if there is any, Golden says, is that local governments are beginning to pay attention to how they design cities, how closely they space houses, and how much forestry and agriculture they plan.

Phoenix, for example, is pushing for more open-space parks with trees downtown. And the city of Mesa is offering $500 rebates to residents who convert their yards from lawns to xeriscape, including desert trees that provide canopy shade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0830/p01s01-wogi.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>More people, more concrete, and lots more heat in Phoenix</strong></a></p>
<p>This article doesn&#8217;t get into the shrieking about we&#8217;re all doomed and that everything is due to global warming. It&#8217;s a remarkably intelligent description of the urban heat island effect and includes intelligent approaches to address this issue. This makes a lot more sense than global income redistribution/ponzi schemes and anti-capitalistic policies that accomplish nothing with respect to warming. Microclimate effects are where we should be concentrating our efforts. As the article states, there&#8217;s now a 14 deg F temp difference between Phoenix and a rural site 50 miles away, up from 6 deg F difference in the 50&#8217;s. Reducing the global temp by 1 deg will be undetectable even if you could do it, dropping a city&#8217;s temp 10 deg is a major improvement, if it&#8217;s possible. It may be, with the approaches mentioned, and this is where we need to be concentrating our efforts:</p>
<blockquote><p>More People, More Concrete, and Lots More Heat in Phoenix</p>
<p>This &#8220;one&#8221; directly corresponds with another No. 1 â€“ its status as the fastest-growing state in the nation. While news of global warming becomes as common as the wheeze of air conditioners here, Phoenix is fighting a different, if related, problem. In part because of heavy growth â€“ particularly in the Phoenix metro area â€“ heat is being reflected, trapped, and absorbed in concrete, rooftops, and a maze of buildings that blocks wind. At the same time, there&#8217;s little vegetation to absorb the heat, and high energy usage generates more.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called the &#8220;urban heat-island effect,&#8221; and whatever the impact of global warming here, this phenomenon is sending the mercury rising. On Tuesday, Phoenix tied the all-time record of 28 days at 110 degrees or greater in one summer, reached in 1979 and again in 2002. If the temperature rises to 110 degrees one more day this year, Phoenix will set a record.</p>
<p>&#8230;..</p>
<p>Dr. Golden points to differing temperatures between downtown Phoenix and a rural weather station at the Casa Grande National Monument, about 50 miles southeast. In 1950, he says, it was only six degrees warmer in Phoenix than at the Casa Grande Monument. By 2000, the temperature in Phoenix was 12 degrees higher. Now, it is almost 14 degrees warmer in the city than in the adjacent rural areas.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Looking toward solutions</p>
<p>Here in the Phoenix area, for example, 40 percent of the heat-island effect is due to paved surfaces, according to Golden. &#8220;We&#8217;re trying to transition to pervious pavement, which would allow for water penetration,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>That, he adds, would support the growth of urban vegetation, which is typically removed for new building projects. And urban vegetation planted at intervals, as well as the water pervious pavement retains, would lead to cooler temperatures at night.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we were to take all the surfaced parking lots in this city and cover them with 50 percent tree cover,&#8221; that would significantly decrease the surface temperatures, he says. His department is also studying the survival methods of this area&#8217;s early inhabitants, such as the Hohokam with their earthen structures.</p>
<p>Today, two-story houses are popular, he says. But what if policymakers were to ban future building of two-story houses â€“ or at least upper floors â€“ in order to make buildings shorter, and less prone to trapping heat. Instead, housing plans could include basements, he says, which would naturally remain cooler â€“ though the prospect of lower levels has long been considered too expensive or difficult, despite the plethora of inground pools.</p>
<p>The good news about these rises in temperatures, if there is any, Golden says, is that local governments are beginning to pay attention to how they design cities, how closely they space houses, and how much forestry and agriculture they plan.</p>
<p>Phoenix, for example, is pushing for more open-space parks with trees downtown. And the city of Mesa is offering $500 rebates to residents who convert their yards from lawns to xeriscape, including desert trees that provide canopy shade.</p></blockquote>
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