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Great White Rat says:

October 7, 2007 at 10:52 pm

ST asks: BTW, should we expect the ACLU to issue statements condemning both Obama’s and Pelosi’s invocations of God and prayer in a political setting? Nah â€¦

Nor will there be derisive stories in the MSM about Obama’s faith.

Rule of thumb for polticians, according to the left: you’re only allowed to talk about God and faith if you don’t believe a word of what you’re saying.

The ACLU and other similar outfits won’t say a thing because they know full well that what both Obama and Pelosi are dishing out is 100% horse hockey.
Kevin says:

October 7, 2007 at 10:52 pm

Did you see that he even has a new video game about him? Why he needs 3 halos is beyond me.
Sister Toldjah says:

October 7, 2007 at 10:57 pm

LOL – good one, Kevin! Just linked up to it in an update
Severian says:

October 8, 2007 at 12:09 am

I think Ol’Nancy is confused about the difference between pray and prey.
sanity says:

October 8, 2007 at 3:40 am

ST asks: BTW, should we expect the ACLU to issue statements condemning both Obama’s and Pelosi’s invocations of God and prayer in a political setting? Nah â€¦

Only if it’s a Republican….if it’s a Democrat, then it’s not really news.
Tango says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:15 am

Heh! Sounds to me like the only mistake Obama DIDNT make was affecting a southern accent like Hillary.
Leslie says:

October 8, 2007 at 9:42 am

Hmm and hmm . . .

I have no idea what Candidate Obama believes and what he doesn’t, since my brain has no direct line to his.

However, when The Candidate sayeth:

I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God in the same way that Pastor Ron and all of you are instruments of God.

I am reminded of the biblical injunction to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and to render unto God that which is God’s.
grendelkhan says:

October 8, 2007 at 6:17 pm

BTW, should we expect the ACLU to issue statements condemning both Obama’s and Pelosi’s use of God and prayer in politics?

Has the ACLU ever actually condemned anyone for saying that they pray, or describing their own religious experience? I was under the impression that they generally took issue with what they perceived as religious doctrine intruding on state actions–justifying policy decisions as “Jesus told me to”, or justifying a legislative agenda solely by pointing to the Bible and nodding vigorously.

If anyone can point out an instance where the ACLU has condemned a politician for simply mentioning their religion, I’d be much obliged.
Jaxebad says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:41 pm

Sister Toldjah,

It seems you’re stepping into territory where you shouldn’t be stepping.

You seem aware of Obama’s Christian beliefs, yet dismiss his faith because it is just “feel good” Christianity. As if that’s inferior to a “feel bad” Christianity? Also, you pretty much are saying that Obama doesn’t believe in the importance of Christ’s forgiving of sins, yet you fail to actually quote him as saying he didn’t believe such. For you to determine his belief system is extremely haughty.

I know this is probably a run of the mill “that politician isn’t of my party, so I must nitpick everything he does” mentality that is so common among bloggers of all viewpoints nowadays, but I also sense a bit of a denominational combativeness. May I ask what your denominational background you have?

(For the record, I am Lutheran, and no, I don’t believe our church is the only correct one.)
sanity says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:46 pm

Jaxebad states:

You seem aware of Obama’s Christian beliefs, yet dismiss his faith because it is just “feel good” Christianity. As if that’s inferior to a “feel bad” Christianity? Also, you pretty much are saying that Obama doesn’t believe in the importance of Christ’s forgiving of sins, yet you fail to actually quote him as saying he didn’t believe such. For you to determine his belief system is extremely haughty.

I do believe other made it an issue of faith with Romney’s Mormon beliefs.

Democrats also make thier ‘faith’ open for debate when they use it to pander or to make themselves suddenly church goers.

Where was Obama’s sudden church beliefs and speaking out at the pulpits when he wasn’t running or president?

Hillary? When did she become a southern baptist….bad accent and all?

Bill Clinton during his scandal suddenly started getting photo-ops with him going to church and carrying a bible, as if he was a choir boy.

They like ot blame christians for so much, demonize the religon, make fun of it – but boy do they suddenly have faith adn become ‘part’ of it when they need some votes.

I call it Faux Faith – for Faux Democrats.
Dana says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Auguste of Pandagon posted a highly critical response to this article. For some reason, neither a trackback nor a ping shows up here.

Now, there are a couple of possibilities. Perhaps our hostess simply deleted them, or has anything that tracks from Pandagon hit the automatic moderation queue. It is also possible that Auguste deliberately chose not to send a ping, which would be rather impolite, since commenting on someone’s article without letting that person know about it is hardly fair. Or it could be that Pandagon simply has problems with tracks and pings: even though all of the articles there show a trackback url, I have never seen a single trackback or ping appear in the comments section since they switched to blogsome.com as a server.
Jaxebad says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:57 pm

sanity,

first of all, you dodged the point of my post entirely.

Second, as to the beliefs of the candidates… I don’t know about the Clinton’s belief system, except that Bill Clinton grew up and still belongs to the Southern Baptist Convention, and Hillary does not (I may be mistaken, but I vaguely remember hearing that she is Methodist).

Obama has been a Christian for some time now. He didn’t convert suddenly when he began his Senate campaign.
Jaxebad says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:58 pm

correction: “grew up in, and still…”
Sister Toldjah says:

October 8, 2007 at 8:58 pm

Dana, it doesn’t matter whether or not they sent a trackback here or whether or not I deleted any trackback they may have sent. If they don’t want to send one, fine. If I don’t want to post a trackback from someone, that’s fine, too. For the record, I didn’t get a trackback on that post, but did see it show up on my Sitemeter.

I deleted the link out of your comment, because I’m not interested in having that post linked up here.
NC Cop says:

October 8, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Democrats also make thier â€˜faith’ open for debate when they use it to pander or to make themselves suddenly church goers.

You mean like touting your faith to make a political dig on President Bush? Now sanity, I seriously doubt that any democrat would do something like that.

“First of all, I pray for President Bush all the time, and I pray especially hard that he would sign the children’s health bill because it’s so important for America’s children”

Oh, I guess I was wrong……….shocking.
sanity says:

October 8, 2007 at 9:04 pm

Actually wasn’t dodging anything, I was remarking and opining about the sudden pandering to faith organizations – political speeches in church.

The hypocricy of it is what I am remarking on.
Jaxebad says:

October 8, 2007 at 9:23 pm

Fair enough.
I myself think that all politicians should stop giving speeches in churches, even if the speeches stay away from political issues, because there’s still that chance for abuse. If they want to do outreach, just visit the churches, stay for a service, don’t make oneself the center of attention… ah, whom I kidding, so many of the candidates can’t resist attention

Still, my point is, we don’t know if Obama/Clinton’s faith is genuine, and it’d be the proper thing to do to at least give them the benefit of the doubt.
Faultline USA says:

October 9, 2007 at 12:56 pm

Politics and The “Christian” Left

For decades the left has raised red flags over the religious right?s political activism while silently working behind the scenes to create today?s current stranglehold on many Christian denominations. Until recently, there were few writers exploring …
Low Earth Orbit says:

October 10, 2007 at 11:25 am

Barak Obama, Christianist Theocrat

We’re going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth….

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