Comments on: The abject failure of liberalism http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/ Don't dis or dismiss this miss! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:23:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: a simple engineer http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730784 a simple engineer Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:19:24 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730784 I have nowhere near that level of furnishings in my house. Even her floor is much nicer than mine. Am I to be moved to give her an even BIGGER TV? She can have my only TV - an 18 year old 21 incher. That pitiful enough? :-w I have nowhere near that level of furnishings in my house. Even her floor is much nicer than mine. Am I to be moved to give her an even BIGGER TV? She can have my only TV – an 18 year old 21 incher. That pitiful enough? :-w

]]> By: forest hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730766 forest hunter Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:05:01 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730766 Hey did I mention I'm a co-author and receiving royalties.........:d, no? Thanks for the updates fellas.........great flight in GWR, guess we'll carry on with this in the open thread, ST just posted. Hey did I mention I’m a co-author and receiving royalties………:d, no?

Thanks for the updates fellas………great flight in GWR, guess we’ll carry on with this in the open thread, ST just posted.

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730763 Severian Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:10:43 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730763 My book just got here not 10 minutes ago! Perfect timing, as I just finished reading an outstanding sci-fi book "Light." My book just got here not 10 minutes ago! Perfect timing, as I just finished reading an outstanding sci-fi book “Light.”

]]> By: Great White Rat http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730762 Great White Rat Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:05:49 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730762 Whoa...that makes three of us ordering one book. Forest, you started something here. Hope there were no problems on your trip home. Enjoy the holidays! Whoa…that makes three of us ordering one book. Forest, you started something here. Hope there were no problems on your trip home. Enjoy the holidays!

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730753 Severian Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:11:57 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730753 Hope you had a good trip Forest. I've ordered "The True Believer" as well thanks to Forest's pointing it out. Should be here soon, and Hoffer's thesis seems to be remarkably accurate. The losers of the world want to control it. I think it'll shed some light on not only contemporary liberalism, but also as to how people are so easily taken in by cults such as Global Warming despite the massive evidence against it. The quote from the Nazi youth about how Nazism freed them from the tyranny of thinking was chillingly true unfortunately. It's just so hard to have to think and decide for yourself, it's much better to be a sheep and follow the herd and obey orders...gods help us. Hope you had a good trip Forest. I’ve ordered “The True Believer” as well thanks to Forest’s pointing it out. Should be here soon, and Hoffer’s thesis seems to be remarkably accurate. The losers of the world want to control it. I think it’ll shed some light on not only contemporary liberalism, but also as to how people are so easily taken in by cults such as Global Warming despite the massive evidence against it. The quote from the Nazi youth about how Nazism freed them from the tyranny of thinking was chillingly true unfortunately. It’s just so hard to have to think and decide for yourself, it’s much better to be a sheep and follow the herd and obey orders…gods help us.

]]> By: forest hunter http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730752 forest hunter Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:30:54 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730752 Thanks Steve, your grasp and susequent explanation are akin to mine own as well. It should prove to be an interesting read, to say the least. Merry Christmas everyone! Forest is home for a couple months of R and R, arrived just hours ago. Thanks Steve, your grasp and susequent explanation are akin to mine own as well. It should prove to be an interesting read, to say the least.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Forest is home for a couple months of R and R, arrived just hours ago.

]]> By: Steve Skubinna http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730746 Steve Skubinna Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:20:54 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730746 ST, I have just ordered from ABE The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer. I was stimulated by an e-mail forest sent me (kudos to you, forest!). In it, if I understand his thesis correctly, Hoffer demonstrates that modern liberalism is in fact, despite its claims, motivated by contempt for and distrust of people, and by a desire to restrict personal freedom. I am looking forward to reading and digesting it. Hoffer wrote the book over a half century ago, so if my precis is indeed accurate it must make him one of the most prophetic philosophers of the 20th century. But modern liberalism appears, to me, to be concerned with destroying humans as individuals and recreating them as merely group members. Which makes it a betrayal of classical liberalism, which was driven by freedom and intellectual inquiry. ST, I have just ordered from ABE The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer. I was stimulated by an e-mail forest sent me (kudos to you, forest!). In it, if I understand his thesis correctly, Hoffer demonstrates that modern liberalism is in fact, despite its claims, motivated by contempt for and distrust of people, and by a desire to restrict personal freedom.

I am looking forward to reading and digesting it. Hoffer wrote the book over a half century ago, so if my precis is indeed accurate it must make him one of the most prophetic philosophers of the 20th century.

But modern liberalism appears, to me, to be concerned with destroying humans as individuals and recreating them as merely group members. Which makes it a betrayal of classical liberalism, which was driven by freedom and intellectual inquiry.

]]> By: gary fouse http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730740 gary fouse Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:37:50 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730740 Thomas Sowell and other black conservatives are the most intellectually stimulating people in America. It takes courage for them to speak out against the philosophy of victimhood because they are always castigated as "Uncle Toms". Their voices should be heard-not silenced. gary fouse fousesquawk Thomas Sowell and other black conservatives are the most intellectually stimulating people in America. It takes courage for them to speak out against the philosophy of victimhood because they are always castigated as “Uncle Toms”.

Their voices should be heard-not silenced.

gary fouse
fousesquawk

]]> By: Severian http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730719 Severian Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:22:28 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730719 From ST's link: <blockquote>The typical American defined as "poor" by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs.</blockquote> It's pitiful what people give you.....:@) From ST’s link:

The typical American defined as “poor” by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs.

It’s pitiful what people give you…..:@)

]]> By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730715 Sister Toldjah Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:06:04 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730715 This is an <a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><strong>excellent piece</strong></a> on examining poverty in America. This is an excellent piece on examining poverty in America.

]]> By: Ryan http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730708 Ryan Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:31:01 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730708 So very true. So very true.

]]> By: Sister Toldjah http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730706 Sister Toldjah Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:25:37 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730706 Not only that, Ryan, but for people (mostly the left) to attempt to paint Bush as some flaming liberal now when they've been calling him a dangerously right wing conservative for years is doing nothing but covering up and avoiding some 40 years of failed liberal policies. Not only that, but let's also not forget that the President has <a href="http://opinionjournal.com/ac/?id=110006344" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>waged a war <em>against</em> the war on poverty</strong></a>, realizing that many liberal ideas have kept the very people down that they claim to want to "help." I've seen a lot of attempts either in my email, at liberal blogs, or incoherent comments liberals tried to post here that use the avoidance tactic. Instead of examining their own failures in depth, they try and change the subject and make the last 40 years of failures somehow Bush's fault. Now, I realize that everything bad that's happened in the last 6 years is Bush's fault, but I had no idea his reach extended back to the days the Great Society programs were implemented. Not only that, Ryan, but for people (mostly the left) to attempt to paint Bush as some flaming liberal now when they’ve been calling him a dangerously right wing conservative for years is doing nothing but covering up and avoiding some 40 years of failed liberal policies. Not only that, but let’s also not forget that the President has waged a war against the war on poverty, realizing that many liberal ideas have kept the very people down that they claim to want to “help.”

I’ve seen a lot of attempts either in my email, at liberal blogs, or incoherent comments liberals tried to post here that use the avoidance tactic. Instead of examining their own failures in depth, they try and change the subject and make the last 40 years of failures somehow Bush’s fault. Now, I realize that everything bad that’s happened in the last 6 years is Bush’s fault, but I had no idea his reach extended back to the days the Great Society programs were implemented.

]]> By: Ryan http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730705 Ryan Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:18:01 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730705 <blockquote>So logically you then must be disgusted with the Bush administration which has expanded the role of government in virtually every way possible, right?</blockquote> Jonathan, You must be new here, because many of us regulars have been very upset at the expansion of government under President Bush. However, the alternative would have been much, much worse.

So logically you then must be disgusted with the Bush administration which has expanded the role of government in virtually every way possible, right?

Jonathan,

You must be new here, because many of us regulars have been very upset at the expansion of government under President Bush. However, the alternative would have been much, much worse.

]]> By: Proof http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730694 Proof Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:09:28 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730694 Plus, if you checked her <em>girth</em> in the picture, it doesn't look like she <strong>missed too many meals!</strong> Plus, if you checked her girth in the picture, it doesn’t look like she missed too many meals!

]]> By: Proof http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/comment-page-1/#comment-730693 Proof Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:08:04 +0000 http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2007/12/23/the-abject-failure-of-liberalism/#comment-730693 Maybe if she pulled the plug on that 60" TV, she wouldn't have such high utility bills. Of course, with the TV off, maybe she could be inspired to, I don't know, maybe <em>get a job???</em> Didn't that article say she'd been "on the dole" 57 of her 58 years? It's bad enough that she leeches off society full time. But, you'd think at some point she'd show <em>some</em> gratitute, knowing that virtually <strong>everything</strong> she "owns" was bought with <strong>someone else's money!</strong> Maybe if she pulled the plug on that 60″ TV, she wouldn’t have such high utility bills.
Of course, with the TV off, maybe she could be inspired to, I don’t know, maybe get a job???
Didn’t that article say she’d been “on the dole” 57 of her 58 years?
It’s bad enough that she leeches off society full time. But, you’d think at some point she’d show some gratitute, knowing that virtually everything she “owns” was bought with someone else’s money!

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