Just like Global warming is.

I post this to show that La-Ninya of just 9 years ago was even colder than this current one:

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Taken from this PDF link:

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I like how Alchemist thinks. He’ll read all the sites that support his conclusion but dosen’t have the time to read the opposing view to see what they have to say. A closed mind? You decide.

His choices for information is predicated on what he believed beforehand.

It would be better if he went with the evidence instead.

Such that there has been no warming trend since 1998.

I suggest that you wait a while before getting carried away with ice age speculation.

The IPCC makes that mistake with their 50-100 year temperature projections based on a trace gas.That has never been demonstrated to promote any significant warming.

I like how Alchemist thinks. He’ll read all the sites that support his conclusion but dosen’t have the time to read the opposing view to see what they have to say. A closed mind? You decide.

LOL,

I have invited many AGW’s in the last year to join my forum and provide counterpoints on Global Warming.I have made it clear that I expect reasonable civil behavior for EVERYONE.

So far exactly zero AGW’s has joined.Amazing since the forum is 90% about global warming.

I have jousted with them at youtube recently.They are foulmouthed and stupid in their replies.I had one who sent me messages directly foaming at the mouth.But not a dribble fell with real science.Just environmentalist twittle.

So many of these people are so ignorant.That they do NOT realize they know next to nothing about global warming issues and that they are being controlled through mental masterbation.

It is sad.

I went through climate audit, i went through climatesci.org, watt’s surface stations, and googled a number of other blogs that I didn’t agree with (but not many good pro/con breakdowns either) in addition to reading all articles linked above. What else do you want me to read?

I think you are B.Sing us.Because Climate Audit won the best in science blog award for 2007.

Not only that.From what I have read from you is basically gibberish.While Steve McIntire and Anthony Watts write clearly and intelligently.

Do you have any idea what I go through with Gavin Schmidt? I asked him questions and he replies with gibberish just like you do.He is a 35 year scientist veteran and he answers my questions with gibberish!.

What is your excuse?

Funny how the media has yet to report on the new data coming out that shows the Earth has cooled down so much in the past year the it wiped out an entire century of warming.I guess Al Gore will claim that global warming is causing this.

Gary that is not quite correct.

It wiped out the 1961-1990 ANOMOLY warm trend.NOT the last 100 years of warming.

So, based on the zig-zagging mean temps of this article’s graph, ST will be writing this same post every couple years, and every couple of years. Apparently no one in this corner of the www understands the concept of climate fluctuation.

Climate always change.Did I just break a lightbulb?

The point of that chart flew right over your head.You need to see the BIG picture to understand why the big cooling is such a big deal.

AGW’s for a LONG while now toot loudly that CO2 is THE driver of the warming.Well did you know that there has been NO WARMING TREND SINCE 1998? Now we see after 7 years later of flatline temperature trend.A big dive in temperature the greatest since the 1800’s for a single year.

So where is that awesome warm forcing power of CO2 greenhouse gas? How is it that for nearly 7 years there has been ZERO warming at all.All during the time CO2 atmospheric gas increased by another 15 ppm or so.

How do you explain that?

You would expect that some places will not dramatically change temperature. In some places, weather will not be affected. And in some places, weather will be affected dramatically. In some places, it may appear to look opposite of global warming. From my understanding this is expected from changing weather pattern. Still, if you look at the global average temperature, temperatures have risen 1.5C in the last 100 years (fairly large change by climate standards), and most of that change has occurred since WWII.

This quote is so darned full of errors.My eyes are sore.

For one thing.There has been no warming trend from 1940-2008.

Most AGW’s actually state that the warming since 1880’s is about .70 degrees F. Your 1.5C claim is baloney.Maybe a deliberate lie since it is so far off the mark.

This part is gibberish since you can say the same exact words if it was a worldwide cooling trend:

You would expect that some places will not dramatically change temperature. In some places, weather will not be affected. And in some places, weather will be affected dramatically. In some places, it may appear to look opposite of global warming. From my understanding this is expected from changing weather pattern.

Weather is different 60 minutes later.

Climate from month to month.From Year to year is always different.That means it is always changing.Not static.

Your “understanding” claim are so freaking insane that Al would be proud of you.

At my forum we have a running clock on Gore’s insane doomsday pronouncement.The very same dude who has been lying to heyoka’s like you for years.Raking in the millions in the process.

Why let a lying scumbag like him drag you down?

I went through climate audit, i went through climatesci.org, watt’s surface stations, and googled a number of other blogs that I didn’t agree with (but not many good pro/con breakdowns either) in addition to reading all articles linked above. What else do you want me to read?

Yet another Inconvenient Truth for the Church of Anthropogenic Global Warming and its leader, the Goracle. Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling: Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its col…

And, glaciers have been melting at about the same rate ever since the end of the Little Ice Age, data that supports the claim of rapid increases just ain’t there. And glaciers shrink for reasons other than temperature, lack of precipitation is a much larger issue.

A prime example of this is Mt. Kilimanjaro, Real Climate would have you believe, like Al Gore, that Global Warming is what’s causing it to disappear. Unfortunately, there are at least three different peer reviewed papers pointing out that the temp is either static or decreasing at the summit, and that local land use changes have led to drastically less rain and snow fall, which is the real cause (deforestation around the mountain is a major cause).

This is part of what I really dislike about the CO2 BS, local land use changes swamp the effects of CO2, and are something you can do something about, but they are largely ignored, even though they result in more climate forcing than CO2 ever will. Pielke’s blog (www.climatesci.org) has a lot about this.

So, to summarize, the magnitude of the warming is overstated, and there is little evidence that CO2 is causing the majority of it, and even less that human emitted CO2 is the cause, but that’s not the way to a green socialists heart, so it gets swept under the rug.

Interestingly enough, if we start getting temperature decreases, and the glaciers start growing, this would be seriously worse for areas that rely on glaciers and snow melt to supply water to lakes and rivers for human use. More snow, less melting, less water, not exactly what you’d think.

I think, alchemist, you’ll find the threads and discussions on the sites mentioned interesting in both their openness and their rationality as opposed to the usual RC and AGW everything is settled now STFU sites.

Actually, sev, I am angered by alchemist’s pose of objectivity

I’m sorry that you’re angered by how I think. I’m not a climate expert, I only know what I read. And what I read is primarily academic papers in science & nature (or academic blogs). You do what you know I guess. But I am here to learn, (or at least develop better arguments). On that note:

Interesting links on the surface stations. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to dig through all of it, but I have saved the sites, and will visit periodically to keep myself updated. I also looked at different arguments on sites like Atomoz and Real Climate, just to get some give and take.

Sounds like there is some real debate going over the surface stations and their accuracy. Especially the Urban Heat Island effect, which has developed several papers with opposite conclusions. Still, RealClimate claims that most the national heat change would be found in alaska or Canada. I would think there would be less encroachment there (& possibly better data), but I can’t find much data on Northern weather stations. Nor on their age & accuracy.

Still, as I said in my previous post, I am most concerned with landlocked melting glaciers. I can’t find anything that suggests that landlocked glaciers are growing (on average) faster than they are shrinking. There are definitely individual cases where this is true, but most GW-webites claim the tips of these glaciers tend to be withdrawing, and give links to papers that I’ll have to track down later.

Do you have any links that gives data that worldwide glacial size is increasing? thanks, Alchemist.