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	<title>Comments on: Kristol/Newsmax claim on BO disputed (MULTIPLE UPDATES)</title>
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		<title>By: omapian</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737989</link>
		<dc:creator>omapian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Obama is campaigning on faith in him to bring about change. Faith is accepting something as true when there is little or no evidence to support the belief. Therefore, what Senator Obama (and his mentors) believe is relevant in this campaign.
The American public has learned that politicians can say one thing to get elected and act entirely different once in office. If there is a disconnect between what the Senator believes and what he says, that should be pointed out without fear of being called racist. Since the public is not privileged to intimate conversations between the Senator and his confidants, the public has no alternative than to examine the public utterances of those confidants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Obama is campaigning on faith in him to bring about change. Faith is accepting something as true when there is little or no evidence to support the belief. Therefore, what Senator Obama (and his mentors) believe is relevant in this campaign.<br />
The American public has learned that politicians can say one thing to get elected and act entirely different once in office. If there is a disconnect between what the Senator believes and what he says, that should be pointed out without fear of being called racist. Since the public is not privileged to intimate conversations between the Senator and his confidants, the public has no alternative than to examine the public utterances of those confidants.</p>
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		<title>By: Great White Rat</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737937</link>
		<dc:creator>Great White Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care if he was in the church that morning or not.  All of these word games about denying whether he attended on any particular date, or heard any particular Wright diatribe, are beginning to sound - well, Clintonian.  You almost expect Obama to start saying it all depends on what the meaning of the word &quot;in&quot; is.

The larger point, which everyone except ST and a handful of others are missing, is that Senator Obama knew full well what kind of anti-American and racist drivel Wright was spouting on a regular basis.  Yet Obama continues to describe Wright as his spritual advisor and friend.  With friends like that....

Therein lies my main concern about an Obama presidency.  It&#039;s not the candidate himself who worries me as much as the collection of crackpots and malicious loons around him.  Obama may or may not be of like mind with Wright; I&#039;ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But one thing&#039;s for sure:  he could use a lot fewer Jeremiah Wrights as advisors and a lot more sensible left-of-center realists (people like T-Steel, for example) in his inner circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if he was in the church that morning or not.  All of these word games about denying whether he attended on any particular date, or heard any particular Wright diatribe, are beginning to sound &#8211; well, Clintonian.  You almost expect Obama to start saying it all depends on what the meaning of the word &#8220;in&#8221; is.</p>
<p>The larger point, which everyone except ST and a handful of others are missing, is that Senator Obama knew full well what kind of anti-American and racist drivel Wright was spouting on a regular basis.  Yet Obama continues to describe Wright as his spritual advisor and friend.  With friends like that&#8230;.</p>
<p>Therein lies my main concern about an Obama presidency.  It&#8217;s not the candidate himself who worries me as much as the collection of crackpots and malicious loons around him.  Obama may or may not be of like mind with Wright; I&#8217;ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But one thing&#8217;s for sure:  he could use a lot fewer Jeremiah Wrights as advisors and a lot more sensible left-of-center realists (people like T-Steel, for example) in his inner circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skubinna</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737927</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Skubinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Dana, the end result of the Dems&#039; identity politics has painted many of them into a corner, as even the obtuse yet perennially giddy Maureen Down has acknowledged.

Which victim card trumps the other?  Do we have to vote for Hillary to atone for not letting women into Harvard until whenever (see, here&#039;s proof I&#039;m a Republican - a Dem would tell you the specific year the first woman was admitted to Harvard - also the first Asian, the first Jew, the first left handed gay Albanian-American tapdancer, yada yada yada - as a Republican, it&#039;s good enough for me that they can all get in today).  Is it imperative that we prove we&#039;re not racist by electing Obama?

The actual issues are not relevant.  There&#039;s very little daylight between Hillary and Obama in any significant topic.  Most of the debate is about the price tag.  And yet we&#039;ve never seen this level of acrimony amongst the Democrat ranks - this is the most divisive issue they&#039;ve embraced since 1968, when they threw their foreign policy and national defense credibility down the toilet to appease the petulant antiwar left.

This is the inevitable result of the shameless pandering and victim poltics they&#039;ve been pursuing, and the revolution they embarked upon in &#039;68 has finally reached the stage every leftist revolution achieves, the one where they turn upon each other and begin devouring the apostates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Dana, the end result of the Dems&#8217; identity politics has painted many of them into a corner, as even the obtuse yet perennially giddy Maureen Down has acknowledged.</p>
<p>Which victim card trumps the other?  Do we have to vote for Hillary to atone for not letting women into Harvard until whenever (see, here&#8217;s proof I&#8217;m a Republican &#8211; a Dem would tell you the specific year the first woman was admitted to Harvard &#8211; also the first Asian, the first Jew, the first left handed gay Albanian-American tapdancer, yada yada yada &#8211; as a Republican, it&#8217;s good enough for me that they can all get in today).  Is it imperative that we prove we&#8217;re not racist by electing Obama?</p>
<p>The actual issues are not relevant.  There&#8217;s very little daylight between Hillary and Obama in any significant topic.  Most of the debate is about the price tag.  And yet we&#8217;ve never seen this level of acrimony amongst the Democrat ranks &#8211; this is the most divisive issue they&#8217;ve embraced since 1968, when they threw their foreign policy and national defense credibility down the toilet to appease the petulant antiwar left.</p>
<p>This is the inevitable result of the shameless pandering and victim poltics they&#8217;ve been pursuing, and the revolution they embarked upon in &#8216;68 has finally reached the stage every leftist revolution achieves, the one where they turn upon each other and begin devouring the apostates.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737926</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanity wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Seems like I am hearing more and more painting of any criticism of BO as Racism.

I htink as the crunch time comes, OB is gong to be using the race card more adn more - how long till people wake up and say, we are not racist?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Playing the race card is a prescription for Mr Obama&#039;s defeat.  The man is black; something like 12% of the electorate is black.  He already has the black vote completely locked up, in excess of 90%; he simply has very little upside there.  If he tries to play the race card, he can&#039;t gain many more black votes, but convincing whites that they had better vote based on race means that he loses, and loses big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanity wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Seems like I am hearing more and more painting of any criticism of BO as Racism.</p>
<p>I htink as the crunch time comes, OB is gong to be using the race card more adn more &#8211; how long till people wake up and say, we are not racist?</p></blockquote>
<p>Playing the race card is a prescription for Mr Obama&#8217;s defeat.  The man is black; something like 12% of the electorate is black.  He already has the black vote completely locked up, in excess of 90%; he simply has very little upside there.  If he tries to play the race card, he can&#8217;t gain many more black votes, but convincing whites that they had better vote based on race means that he loses, and loses big.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Was He In The Pews On July 22nd?  Like That Matters.&lt;/strong&gt;

So now the Obamamites are spinning the Wright story into a story about one particular speech on one particular day:
Bill Kristol&#8217;s New York Times column about Barack Obama this morning contains a major, prejudicial error.
Paragraph five:
But Rona...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Was He In The Pews On July 22nd?  Like That Matters.</strong></p>
<p>So now the Obamamites are spinning the Wright story into a story about one particular speech on one particular day:<br />
Bill Kristol&#8217;s New York Times column about Barack Obama this morning contains a major, prejudicial error.<br />
Paragraph five:<br />
But Rona&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737908</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple time analysis says the only feasible sermon to catch, with a 1:30p Miami speech, is the evening.  A morning sermon perhaps ending at 8:30A optimally, a dash to O&#039;Hare and boarding (even a private jet, worse if flying public transportation)... say 9:30ish.  Minimal 2hr/20min flight nonstop to Miami puts him landing close to noon, or 1pm Miami time.  Then a dash from the airport to the venue by 1:30 thru the city traffic??  Dunno... tight.  And just as tight for the return.

Personally I think this &quot;pew proof&quot; stuff is absurd.  While I agree that we all have nefarious contacts in our lives, BHO&#039;s stance on the issues is ... and always has been... a reflection of the Jeremiah morality mold.  He&#039;s socialist in his domestic ideology, and naive in foreign policy.  

The electorate is now aware of BHO&#039;s mentor and that mentor&#039;s radical views.  Perhaps - primaries, caucuses and delegate votes later - they will listen to more than flowerly phrases and connect the dots between his issues and his church community influence.  It is that BHO must answer to... not his specific church attendance record, nor his pastor&#039;s views of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple time analysis says the only feasible sermon to catch, with a 1:30p Miami speech, is the evening.  A morning sermon perhaps ending at 8:30A optimally, a dash to O&#8217;Hare and boarding (even a private jet, worse if flying public transportation)&#8230; say 9:30ish.  Minimal 2hr/20min flight nonstop to Miami puts him landing close to noon, or 1pm Miami time.  Then a dash from the airport to the venue by 1:30 thru the city traffic??  Dunno&#8230; tight.  And just as tight for the return.</p>
<p>Personally I think this &#8220;pew proof&#8221; stuff is absurd.  While I agree that we all have nefarious contacts in our lives, BHO&#8217;s stance on the issues is &#8230; and always has been&#8230; a reflection of the Jeremiah morality mold.  He&#8217;s socialist in his domestic ideology, and naive in foreign policy.  </p>
<p>The electorate is now aware of BHO&#8217;s mentor and that mentor&#8217;s radical views.  Perhaps &#8211; primaries, caucuses and delegate votes later &#8211; they will listen to more than flowerly phrases and connect the dots between his issues and his church community influence.  It is that BHO must answer to&#8230; not his specific church attendance record, nor his pastor&#8217;s views of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve, the writer at the HuffPo link said the BO campaign had confirmed he was in Chicago that morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve, the writer at the HuffPo link said the BO campaign had confirmed he was in Chicago that morning.</p>
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		<title>By: steveegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The schedule would have been a bit tight.  Between air time and ground travel, it&#039;s about 3 1/2 hours between the south side of Chicago and Miami, which would have barely allowed Obama the ability to attend either the 7:30 am or 6 pm services assuming no significant delays.  He would need to have been on his way to Midway (the likely airport in Chicago he would be using, on Chicago&#039;s southwest side) by 9 am Central, or on his way to one of Miami&#039;s airports by 3:30 pm Eastern.

I note that the WaPo link cited as proof that Obama was in Chicago &lt;i&gt;the morning of&lt;/i&gt; July 22 does not actually place a time or location on Obama&#039;s Chicago appearance.  Unless there was a second source to say that it was in the morning, it&#039;s only inferred that it was a morning appearance based on where he was the previous evening (Iowa).  Assuming that appearance was not at Trinity, the time (and to a lesser extent, location) of that that appearance could eliminate one of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The schedule would have been a bit tight.  Between air time and ground travel, it&#8217;s about 3 1/2 hours between the south side of Chicago and Miami, which would have barely allowed Obama the ability to attend either the 7:30 am or 6 pm services assuming no significant delays.  He would need to have been on his way to Midway (the likely airport in Chicago he would be using, on Chicago&#8217;s southwest side) by 9 am Central, or on his way to one of Miami&#8217;s airports by 3:30 pm Eastern.</p>
<p>I note that the WaPo link cited as proof that Obama was in Chicago <i>the morning of</i> July 22 does not actually place a time or location on Obama&#8217;s Chicago appearance.  Unless there was a second source to say that it was in the morning, it&#8217;s only inferred that it was a morning appearance based on where he was the previous evening (Iowa).  Assuming that appearance was not at Trinity, the time (and to a lesser extent, location) of that that appearance could eliminate one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like I am hearing more and more painting of any criticism of BO as Racism.

I htink as the crunch time comes, OB is gong to be using the race card more adn more - how long till people wake up and say, we are not racist?

How long will the public allow its self to let him go through the campaign as a &#039;victim&#039; everytime he is questioned or hit hard on something that he didn&#039;t expect?

This campaign should be about experience and ideas, not race. 

What do you call a person or group that uses race as a way of excusing itself or diverting attention from problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like I am hearing more and more painting of any criticism of BO as Racism.</p>
<p>I htink as the crunch time comes, OB is gong to be using the race card more adn more &#8211; how long till people wake up and say, we are not racist?</p>
<p>How long will the public allow its self to let him go through the campaign as a &#8216;victim&#8217; everytime he is questioned or hit hard on something that he didn&#8217;t expect?</p>
<p>This campaign should be about experience and ideas, not race. </p>
<p>What do you call a person or group that uses race as a way of excusing itself or diverting attention from problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Beer Monday Linkfest: You Mean The Obamessiah Did Attend A Wright Hate Speech? &#124; McCain Blogs</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737903</link>
		<dc:creator>Beer Monday Linkfest: You Mean The Obamessiah Did Attend A Wright Hate Speech? &#124; McCain Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More: seems that the timing was probably incorrect. I&#8217;m a little short on time, have to run and meet some friends for some festivities, so, I would suggest you read this whole post over at Sister Toldjah&#8217;s, who has a great breakdown and timeline. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More: seems that the timing was probably incorrect. I&#8217;m a little short on time, have to run and meet some friends for some festivities, so, I would suggest you read this whole post over at Sister Toldjah&#8217;s, who has a great breakdown and timeline. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate&#8217;s Cove&#160;&#8212;&#160;Global Warming Rules! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beer Monday: You Mean The Obamessiah Did Attend A Wright Hate Speech?</title>
		<link>http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/03/17/kristolnewsmax-claim-on-bo-disputed/comment-page-1/#comment-737902</link>
		<dc:creator>Pirate&#8217;s Cove&#160;&#8212;&#160;Global Warming Rules! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Beer Monday: You Mean The Obamessiah Did Attend A Wright Hate Speech?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More: seems that the timing was probably incorrect. I&#8217;m a little short on time, have to run and meet some friends for some festivities, so, I would suggest you read this whole post over at Sister Toldjah&#8217;s, who has a great breakdown and timeline. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;We know Wright inspires Obama, but who inspires Wright?  James Cone&lt;/strong&gt;

This is much scarier than I imagined.&#160; We know Wright is&#160;someone Obama has called his spiritual mentor, but who does Wright look up&#160;to? 
 
One&#160;answer, according to this article, is James Cone, and from a social or religious perspe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We know Wright inspires Obama, but who inspires Wright?  James Cone</strong></p>
<p>This is much scarier than I imagined.&nbsp; We know Wright is&nbsp;someone Obama has called his spiritual mentor, but who does Wright look up&nbsp;to? </p>
<p>One&nbsp;answer, according to this article, is James Cone, and from a social or religious perspe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lorica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;that doesn&#039;t make the senator responsible for them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  You are correct Dana, but as the Dear Sister has pointed out, he is responsible for the Spiritual Covering he places himself under.  There is no way possible, and further statements clearly show that BO did know the kind of garbage that the Rev. spewed. - Lorica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>that doesn&#8217;t make the senator responsible for them.</p></blockquote>
<p>  You are correct Dana, but as the Dear Sister has pointed out, he is responsible for the Spiritual Covering he places himself under.  There is no way possible, and further statements clearly show that BO did know the kind of garbage that the Rev. spewed. &#8211; Lorica</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-Steel, I wasn&#039;t being critical of the fact that he&#039;s giving a speech tomorrow, but I&#039;m skeptical that it will mean anything to anyone outside of the people who are already in his corner.

And as far as severing ties, we can&#039;t chose who are family members are, but we &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; choose who our close friends are, and we can certainly chose what church we attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-Steel, I wasn&#8217;t being critical of the fact that he&#8217;s giving a speech tomorrow, but I&#8217;m skeptical that it will mean anything to anyone outside of the people who are already in his corner.</p>
<p>And as far as severing ties, we can&#8217;t chose who are family members are, but we <em>can</em> choose who our close friends are, and we can certainly chose what church we attend.</p>
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