In case you missed it:
My liveblog of the debate can be read here.
Here’s the debate transcript.
**This post will be updated frequently tonight, with newest updates posted at the top.**
Update 25 – 11:45 PM: Glenn Reynolds blogs about Biden’s Constitutional flubs.
AllahPundit is doing some post-debate poll monitoring. Sounds like a mixed bag of results.
Update 24 – 11:19 PM: Yet another reminder: PDS is alive and well.
Update 23 – 11:10 PM: The blogosphere and pundits react.
Here’s the transcript from the debate.
Update 22 – 10:55 PM: Fred Thompson is on Fox and is glowing with praise, and says she deserves this victory after the pressure she’s been under and the attacks, etc.
He says Joe Biden misrepresented his own positions on the issues.
Sidenote: It’s a bummer that National Review’s Corner has been down tonight
Update 21 – 10:44 PM: Undecided voters in the Frank Luntz focus group on Fox overwhelmingly say Gov. Palin “won.” Says the “personal responsiblity” argument she made early on was a big hit with the focus group. Only a handful say they made a decision on who to vote for, tho.
Here’s the full debate video here.
Update 20 – 10:34 PM: Ifill did a good job, I must admit. Now the families are mingling on stage.
The Fox panel is giving Gov. Palin good reviews.
My personal view: Goooo Sarah! She did great. I still wish she’d have brought up Dodd and Frank, tho.
Update 19 – 10:29 PM: Closing statement: Palin, glad to meet Joe Biden, like to do things like this rather than have my answers filtered through the MSM. We have to fight for our reform and freedoms.
Biden: BO and I measure freedom on whether or not someone can pay the mortgage and send their kids to college. We need to move beyond the last bad 8 years. Obama is ready to be the president. May God bless America – and our troops.
Update 18 – 10:28 PM: What would you do to change the tone in DC: Biden, I have a record of not questioning motives, but judgement.
Palin: I would appoint a diverse cabinent.
Update 17 – 10:25 PM: What belief have you changed? I can’t understand Biden’s answer. He’s talking about judicial philosophy.
Palin: I wish I’d have vetoed a few budgets and in retrospect but didn’t. Record of bipartisanship in Alaska.
Update 16 – 10:18 PM: To Palin: Is experience is your Achilles heel?
Palin: Talks about her years of experience and how she relates to the common man with some of her own family’s issues.
Biden: I’m not going to change. People know who I am. I will put mine and Obama’s record up against McCain’s on accomplishments any day. Biden has an emotional moment talking about family. I can relate to family issues as well.
Palin: McCain is a true maverick. I am a maverick – Democrats and Independents are part of my cabinet. Got wide support from all walks of life.
Biden: Getting agitated – Mccain has not been a maverick on issues that matter. Huh?
Update 15 – 10:17 PM: Ifill: Do you agree with Cheney on role of VP.
Palin: Answer was a bit vague.
Biden: Cheney has been the most dangerous VP ever. Doesn’t understand the Constitution.
Update 14 – 10:14 PM: What is the role of the VP.
Palin: To support the admin, work in the Senate.
Biden: Wants to get back to education at some point. I would be point person for intiatives in the US Congress. Obama wants me to help him govern – I will give him my advice.
Update 13 – 10:07 PM: How would a Biden admin be if something happened to Obama.
Biden: It would be a tragedy if that happened. I would carry out Obama’s policies for the middle class and energy policy. Pro-diplomacy. This is the biggest election ever. I agree with every major initiative Obama’s proposed.
Palin: I would continue on McCain’s straight talk path, even though we disagree on issues like ANWR.
Biden: Biden – man on the street would disagree with Palin and McCain on Afghanistan, healthcare, etc People in my neighborhood get it. They’ve been getting the short end of the stick. Middle class is not doing well. Wealthy are doing well.
Palin: Pulls a there you go again. LOL. Says teachers should be paid more. We’ve got to change NCLB – we need to put emphais on the profession of teaching. My kids are part of the public system. I’m concerned about where the education system is going.
Update 12 – 10:01 PM:Ifill: You have a pro-intervention record. (Huh?)Should we put troops on the ground in Darfur?
Biden: I supported war in Bosnia – McCain didn’t. I gave president the authority to keep the UN in line and sanctions on, not war.
I don’t have the stomach for genocide in Darfur. We can use NATO for Darfur. We should rally the world to act. Provide helicopters to help African forces.
Palin: All of us as individuals should act as humanitarians. Talks about fund they had in Alaska where they gave money to Sudan (?).
Biden: There is a line on whether or not we should send troops to war. Says I never supported McCain’s war strategy. (lie).
Palin: Takes issue with Biden’s lie. Biden shakes his hand.
Update 11 – 9:56 PM: Question about nuke weapons. Palin says Nuclear weaponry is used as a deterrant in this country but not in countries like Iran or NK.
Palin: Obama said nasty comments about our troops in Afghanistan – that’s wrong. Surge type effort will work in Afghanistan.
Biden: General in Afghanistan says surge effort won’t work in there. McCain doesn’t support anti-nuclear treaty. Obama reached across the aisle to Republican Dick Lugar on nuke control.
Palin: Corrects Biden on Afghanistan general.
Biden: Our commanding general did say that.
Update 10 – 9:46 PM: What about Pakistan and Iran?
Biden: Pakistan is where the terrorists are. McCain is wrong when he says Iraq is the central front in the WOT.
Palin: Petraeus & OBL said Iraq is the central front in the WOT. Iran is a huge threat and they must not be allowed to have nukes. Brings up Obama’s support of unconditional head of state talks with leaders like Ahmeanie.
Biden: That is not true about Obama’s position. Said McCain is not in favor of diplomacy.
Palin: (from Ifill): Israel – what has the Bush admin done right and wrong in Israel. Didn’t catch her whole answer.
Biden: I’m the biggest ally in the Senate of Israel. Administration has been a failure in Israel.
Palin: Says Biden can’t keep focusing on the past. We will work towards keeping our alliance strong with Israel.
Biden: I’m not hearing a plan for the future.
Update 9 – 9:40 PM: What about Iraq?
Palin: Talks up the surge. Praises Biden for calling out Obama on not funding the troops. Ouch. We must win in Iraq, we’re down to pre-surge numbers and can eventually move troops to Afghanistan.
Biden: I didn’t hear a plan from Palin. Walks back Obama funding comment. Gives Obama’s plan.
Palin: Your comment is like throwing out a white flag. Goes back to Biden’s comments about Obama’s troop funding. And mentions Biden’s past support of McCain.
Biden: Keeps saying Mccain was dead wrong everything related to Iraq.
Update 8 – 9:37 PM: Do you support committed gay couples having the same benefits as hetero marriages?
Palin: Not if it goes towards redefining marriage. But I support similar rights for same sex couples but not marriage – so does McCain.
Biden: I don’t believe gay people should be able to get married.
Update 7 – 9:31 PM: Ifill asks Palin about climate change. Palin says she doesn’t believe all climate change is manmade. We’ve got to clean up this planet. We must encourage all nations to go along with us. McCain-Palin has an all of the above approach to energy.
Biden: You can’t fix the problem if you don’t understand the causes. GW is man made. McCain has aided global warming with his votes. Drill we must, but it’ll take 10 years to see a drop of oil.
Palin: People are hungry for drilling resources to be tapped into. Corrects Biden on Drill Drill Drill comment. Says Biden called offshore drilling “raping” the shore. Palin calls Biden Obiden. LOL ..
Biden: Says clean coal comment was taking out of context.
Update 6 – 9:27 PM:Can’t remember the question (sorry).
Biden: We should be able to adjust principal balance that people who can’t afford their mortages.
Palin: Keeps going back to the energy argument hammering home her experience. Energy independence is the key to America’s future.
Update 5 – 9:21 PM: Ifill asks Biden what an Obama admin would do to cut spending. He pretty much says raising taxes will take care of most things. Seriously, that’s his answer.
(Sorry, I’m finding it hard to follow this debate – nerves?)
Palin: Senator Biden, your running mate voted for big tax breaks with the Energy Bill. Talks about her energy record in Alaska. Tax breaks aren’t going to big oil – they are going to the peole of Alaska.
Biden: Obama voted for energy bill because he thought there was real support for energy. McCain wants $4b more tax cuts for Exxon Mobil. Mccain will not support a windfall profits tax. Class warfare, baby!
Update 4 – 9:16 PM:Ifill to Biden: Are you engaging in class warfare by raising taxes on people over $250K?
Biden: Everyone must pay their fair share. It’s only fair. McCain wants more tax cuts.
Palin: Redistribution of wealth issue is a problem. Paying higher taxes is not patriotic.
Explains McCain tax plan – doesn’t cost gov’t anything. Obama’s plan is universal gov’t run program. Gov’t shouldnt’ run healthcare. Competition is good for healthcare.
Biden: We don’t call taxing the rich redistribution we call it fairness. Most small businesses will not be affected by the tax hike on $250K .
McCain’s healthcare plan will raise taxes on employers, money will go to the insurance companies. It’s the ultimate bridge to nowhere (crowd lightly gasps).
Update 3 – 9:09 PM: Ifill to Palin: What caused the subprime crisis.
Palin: Greedy lenders. (ST: C’mon! What about Frank and Dodd?) This is an opportunity for personal responsiblity.
Biden: McCain’s big on derugulation. Says Obama was ahead of the ball on this issue. Subprime lending mess is partially Mccain’s fault.
Palin: Obama and Biden voted for higher taxes. Gov’s gonna have to learn to live within its means. I wish she’d bring up Frank and Dodd! Biden’s nervously laughing.
Biden: Says Obama did not vote to raise taxes so what Gov. Palin is “not true” – McCain voted 400+ to raise taxes. Says Gov Palin did not answer the question about deregulation and McCain. (ST: Heck, I wish she would!).
Palin: Talks about her record as Gov. Says Mccain is a reformer.
Update 2 – 9:00 PM: Showtime. Butterflies are fluttering in the tummy. Here come the candidates. Gov. Palin asks Biden if she can call him Joe. He says yes.
– First question, which goes to Biden: Asks about the bailout bill and if the Senate passing the bill was the best of Washington or worst of it. Biden says it’s representative of the last eight years of Washington. Talks up Obama’s ideas on the bailout. Says there are fundamental differences between Obama and McCain on this.
Palin: Says McCain was ahead of the ball on calling for oversight 2 years ago.
Ifill: How do we end the polarization in DC?
Biden: I’ve got a record of reaching across the aisle. Goes back to economy question says McCain has flipflopped on “fundamentals” of the economy.
Palin: I have a track record of reform, mentions what Mc was talking about with the fundamentals.
Update 1 – 7:33 PM: The GOP’s got a cool new website up called “Not Your Average Joe.” It includes video clips, notable quotes, etc.
Tonight’s the night many have been eagerly anticipating, and others dreading: Senator Joe “Gaffetastic” Biden and Gov. Sarah “Barracuda” Palin take the stage in a debate at Washington University in St. Louis, MO that has probably gotten more press attention than Obama’s and McCain’s first debate. Yes, PBS’ Gwen Ifill is still going to be the debate moderator, so it’ll be interesting to see how her pro-Obama bias will influence her questioning – if at all. She may try to over-compensate by being a little tougher on Biden than she had planned on being, or she may play to expectations by giving Gov. Palin a rougher time, or she could do the right thing and play it down the middle. Let’s hope she chooses the latter. And hey, let’s be thankful at least that the debate moderator isn’t Andrew Sullivan.
The debate starts tonight at 9 ET, and you can watch it here on C-SPAN if you can’t get to a TV. C-SPAN’s Debate Hub has some interesting links posted from bloggers on the left and right talking about tonight’s upcoming debate as well.
Both campaigns have been playing the expectations game today, with the McCain campaign throwing a bit of a twist out there on the day of the debate. They released an online video today complete with some of Senator Biden’s most infamous gaffes:
Since that ad’s only going to air on the I’net, I think it’s a safe bet that it was released to get the conservative base fired up by reminding those who are nervous about tonight that Joe Biden is not called “Teflon Joe” for a reason. Victor Davis Hanson parodies the debate over the veep debate here. Very cute
While on the subject of the expectations game, an exchange occurred earlier today between Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe and some of the press corps traveling with the Obama campaign that should surprise absolutely no one:
David Plouffe spoke to reporters just now, my colleague Victoria McGrane reports, previewing the debate.
After repeatedly calling Palin first “an extremely good debater” then a “great” one, at the end he ramped it up to “Gov. Palin is one of the best debaters in American politics” at which point the press gaggle interrupted him with its laughter. “No, she is! Her 2006 debate, she knew where she wanted to take every question, and so I think she’ll be relentlessly on message tonight and again I’m sure she’ll have any number of biting and witty one-liners but our focus is on the person sitting at home in Canton, Ohio, tonight, Akron, Ohio tonight, struggling economically. Who is delivering a message about an agenda that is going to most positively impact their lives” he said.
I saw video of this on Fox News. If I can find a vid of it, I’ll post it here.
It also shouldn’t surprise anyone that Reuters actually asked the debate commission whether or not they checked the ear canals of the two candidates, presumably because they wonder if the Governor has been wired. HuffPo did the same thing. Ring a bell?
For her part, Gov. Palin plans on going on the offensive in tonight’s debate by not only highlighting her record as Governor, but also pointing out Joe Biden’s contradictions on what he said about Obama when he ran against him for the Dem nomination versus what he says about Obama now, as well as point out where he’s been wrong on foreign policy – an attempt at hitting him on his “strong” issue. Biden’s goal tonight will be to get through it with no major gaffes while keeping his focus solely on McCain, as the OBiden campaign has pretty much ignored Gov. Palin for the last two weeks.
Quick stats: Rassmussen reports that 34%of the people who watch the debate tonight say that what the veep candidates say will be key to their decision as to who to vote for.
Must-read: Baseball Crank’s got an outstanding post up about Gov. Palin’s career serving in government.
Jonathan Martin has the scoop.
Bottom line is that things looked competitive there for a bit but with the economy in the shape that it’s in right now, growing numbers of Michiganders – bizarrely trusting Democrats on the issue of the economy regardless of years of them running the economy there into the ground – are supporting Barack Obama, who has his own role to play in the nation’s current economic crisis, along with several other prominent Democrats. Go figure.
Martin reports that Team Mc will send the Michigan campaign staffers to other battleground states like Florida, Wisconsin, and Ohio.
The Bush administration frog-marched executives from Enron, Tyco, and Worldcom into federal prison for their financial shenanigans, in collapses that look positively microscopic in the wake of the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Why hasn’t anyone in the recent failure received the same treatment?
Click the Hot Air link to watch the vid.
I wonder just how long it will be before Obama sicks his thug legal eagles on Taxpayers for Truth?
And that includes not only wearing Obama buttons to school so their students can see them, but having their union members wear “blue” on what they call “Obama Blue Day” The Washington Times and the New York Post have the stories on Virginia and New York teachers unions’ respective pro-Obama antics.
Lamest excuse from one teacher? “It’s not teaching kids to vote for Obama; rather, it’s showing them the democratic process in action.” Riiiiight.
Now, if only children had the right to vote, then they could really have this election in the bag for Barry Oh! …
Consider this Andy McCarthy piece on Joe Biden’s foreign policy record a must-read. There are many people out there on the left and right who believe that Joe Biden’s experience in foreign policy is above reproach. McCarthy’s piece not only is devastating against Joe Biden, but also against the argument that Biden is somehow “untouchable” on the issue. Not only that, but after reading the piece, you’ll get a lot better of an understanding of just why Barack Obama picked someone with Joe Biden’s type of “foreign policy experience” and it’s certainly not because he thinks Biden will stand up to the baddies. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Obama’s got a history of choosing people to ally himself with who have very offensive records when it comes to their beliefs about America. Ayers and Wright clearly don’t care anything for this country. On the other hand, Biden means well but is terribly naive a la Senator John Kerry, in spite of his decades of experience in Washington, DC. Biden is the man Barack Obama chose to (essentially) teach him what he doesn’t know about international relations/foreign policy matters. It’s a very scary thought, considering the very real possibility that Obama will be the next president of the US and would probably get re-elected to a second term … with Joe Biden standing by his side every step of the way.
Related: Palin-Biden debate mania rages on in the blogosphere.
The Wall Street Journal lends a helping hand in documenting what Democrats and Republicans were saying about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the blow up we’ve seen over the last few weeks.Â Many of the quotes you’ve read/heard before, courtesy of some videos I’ve linked to, but one of them – to my recollection – was not on those videos.Â Here’s Rep. Barney Frank, ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, during a Committee hearing in September 2003:
Rep. Frank: Let me ask [George] Gould and [Franklin] Raines on behalf of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, do you feel that over the past years you have been substantially under-regulated?
Mr. Raines: No, sir.
Mr. Frank: Mr. Gould?
Mr. Gould: No, sir. . . .
Mr. Frank: OK. Then I am not entirely sure why we are here. . . .
Rep. Frank: I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than, in fact, exists.
Amazing, eh? All Raines and Gould had to say was “no, we don’t think we’ve been under-regulated and that should have resolved it as far as Frank was concerned. Think that’s shocking? Here’s what he said in his opening statement, I assume on that same day (there’s also video of Franks at that same link):
I want to begin by saying that I am glad to consider the legislation, but I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis. That is, in my view, the two government sponsored enterprises we are talking about here, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not in a crisis. We have recently had an accounting problem with Freddie Mac that has led to people being dismissed, as appears to be appropriate. I do not think at this point there is a problem with a threat to the Treasury.
I must say we have an interesting example of self-fulfilling prophecy. Some of the critics of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac say that the problem is that the Federal Government is obligated to bail out people who might lose money in connection with them. I do not believe that we have any such obligation. And as I said, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy by some people.
So let me make it clear, I am a strong supporter of the role that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play in housing, but nobody who invests in them should come looking to me for a nickel–nor anybody else in the Federal Government. And if investors take some comfort and want to lend them a little money and less interest rates, because they like this set of affiliations, good, because housing will benefit. But there is no guarantee, there is no explicit guarantee, there is no implicit guarantee, there is no wink-and-nod guarantee. Invest, and you are on your own.
Now, we have got a system that I think has worked very well to help housing. The high cost of housing is one of the great social bombs of this country. I would rank it second to the inadequacy of our health delivery system as a problem that afflicts many, many Americans. We have gotten recent reports about the difficulty here.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have played a very useful role in helping make housing more affordable, both in general through leveraging the mortgage market, and in particular, they have a mission that this Congress has given them in return for some of the arrangements which are of some benefit to them to focus on affordable housing, and that is what I am concerned about here. I believe that we, as the Federal Government, have probably done too little rather than too much to push them to meet the goals of affordable housing and to set reasonable goals. I worry frankly that there is a tension here.
The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disastrous scenarios. And even if there were a problem, the Federal Government doesn’t bail them out. But the more pressure there is there, then the less I think we see in terms of affordable housing.
This is the same man who, alongside Senator Chris Dodd – FM/FM’s favorite Senator, is acting now like what’s happened is the administration’s fault, when it’s been documented that the administration tried to do something about this issue early on and continued to do so, but were blocked primarily by Demcocrats like Frank and Dodd.
Dodd and Frank, and other Congressional Democrats should not be allowed to get away with the whitewashing of their significant role in turning a blind eye to this crisis when Republicans like Bush, Dole, Hagel, Sununu and McCain, Rep. Richard Baker and others actually had the foresight to try and nip the issues in the bud before they blew up. Republicans are being blamed for the current financial meltdown when the truth is the big players in getting us to this point were primarily Democrats like the ones who are trying to take “leadership” positions now.
The Republicans who tried to tackle this problem ahead of time deserve credit. And the Democrats who stymied their efforts every step of the way, and those like Barack Obama who for years helped foster the “gimme” attitude that was behind the push to approve loans for people who couldn’t afford to pay them back, deserve to be exposed and held accountable. That’s what the ballot box is for, and before people walk into the voting booth in November, they need to know this information so they can make an informed decision as to which party has been more responsible for trying to prevent this crisis, and which party has spent the last two weeks trying to make sure that the bailout bill isn’t a bloated spending free-for-all with freebies for corrupt organizations like Barack Obama’s ACORN outfit, a group that also helped enable the current financial collapse.
Please – spread the word. Use the “Email This Post” function at the bottom of this post to email this information to people you know will be receptive to it. The mainstream media – with the exception of Fox – is turning mostly a blind eye to this story, and of course FactCheck, too, tries the “it’s everyone’s fault” approach here. Don’t fall for the spin. Don’t fall for the “Let’s hold hands and don’t pass blame – we’re all in this together” rallying cry we’re hearing from the media, Democrats, and some Republicans who want to put a happy face on a sorry, sad, preventable situation. Now is the time to assess blame. What are we supposed to do, wait until after the election to start pointing fingers? I don’t think so.