And yes, I have wholeheartedly agreed that media has become to interested in celebrity gossip and gone away from it’s duties (again, my example is FOX news).

In the end, it doesn’t matter if the world or media is “fair” such a thing does not exist. It only matters which campaign rises above their defficiences. In 5 of the last 7 campaigns, republicans were far superior to this. In this election, they weren’t. If McCain had stopped whining about bias for two minutes and done a better job of his explaining his candidcy, he might have won (hell, he might even have won my vote). You can’t wait for “fair coverage”, you have to make your own. Welcome to the history of politics in America.

Whine or actually solve your problems. These are really your options for the future.

(And the 57 state thing I chalked up to a simple speaking error, the same way I ignored McCain’s Iraq/Afghanistan border slip, or the Shia/Sunni confusion).

If you can’t – or won’t – understand by now, you never will.

Give him a couple of years, GWR. Then he’ll understand it. So will millions of others.

how the news media impacted impacted their knowledge of what occurred during the campaign.

So if some of the poll questions were just “RNC talking points”, and if the MSM did its job, then the Obama voters should have known those questions just as well as the DNC talking points that masqueraded as the other questions. But they didn’t, which means either the Obama voters really ARE weapons-grade dumb, or the MSM biased its coverage. I vote for the latter, although I’m beginning to wonder…..

Also, since when have Obama and Biden taken to writing “RNC talking points”? Are you seriously trying to say that Obama didn’t say there were 57 states, or that he said it just to feed ammo to the RNC? Was Biden’s statement that Obama will face an international crisis by the summer of 2009 a fiendish Karl Rove plot? What eeeevil Republican genius forced Obama to say his energy plan will make prices skyrocket? See, the Obama voters didn’t know these precisely because the media did its best to spike the stories.

This is my last contribution to this thread. If you can’t – or won’t – understand by now, you never will.

Why? Because they’re RNC talking points. They’re issues that die-hard RNC-supporters tend to feel we’re important to the election, and many americans felt were not germane to the election. IE Ayers/Wright/ Is Obama a socialist? Did they know the exact answers, probably not. But the information was out there (if they wanted to find it). Ayers was certainly in the news for more than a week, if viewers were curious, it’s not like more information was difficult to find (just watch Fox).

But most found the information bunk, and didn’t listen to the details. Now, if you compared actual policy proposals between the two candidates I would expect you would have a more even breakdown of knowledge between Obama/McCain supporters. (you know, the things media is SUPPOSED to cover).

First, they claim this qualifies as a “push poll”. Zogby’s response to this is simple: push polls are designed to influence a vote, but this was taken after the vote. If this poll were taken on November 1, you might have a point. You might want to explain how a poll taken after the election can influence the outcome.

Second, they tip their partisan hand by claiming that there’s dispute over the truth of the questions – such as saying it’s not proven that Obama made his statement about energy prices, or that Obama got opponents kicked off the ballot in his first election. By now, those are undisputed facts – to everyone except those such as 538 or you who, as I said before, willingly bury their heads in the sand to avoid unpleasant facts.

As for comparing what the results would be if you gave the same questions to McCain voters, let me say plainly: they’d do better.

Here’s my reasoning: most of the questions fall into two categories: negative news about the GOP (McCain not knowing how many houses he owns, Palin’s pregnant daughter) and negative news about the Dems (Obama’s energy plan, Biden’s plagiarism).

The Obama voters recorded very high scores on the former, but so would the McCain voters – because the MSM spent months on its jihad to make sure everyone knew them. So those questions are essentially a wash.

The difference will come in the other questions. Obama voters scored very low here – for example, only 11% correct on the energy question, when simple random guessing should have provided 25% correct answers. I’m thinking that most of the Obama voters, never having heard these facts (what with the MSM near-blackout on them) reflexively attributed anything negative to McCain or Palin. In support of that, I point to the video clip…look at the one woman, who, having no idea on a couple of those questions, mumbled “Sounds like something Palin would do”.

Let’s assume the McCain voters are equally uninformed, but are also equally likely to pin anything negative on Obama or Biden. They’d score much higher on those questions. Therefore, the McCain voters’ overall score would be much higher.

Does this prove the average McCain voter knew more than the Obama voter? Not conclusively. But that wasn’t the point of the poll. The point was that the MSM did an extremely poor job of balancing its coverage, to the point where Obama owes much of his vote to a tsunami of ignorance.

there are those like you who bury their heads in the sand and turn logic on its head to justify a partisan vote even though they know the facts. But I wonder how many of those dimbulb voters would have changed their vote if the MSM spent as much time discussing trivialities like Obama’s energy policy as they did investigating the earth-shaking news of Palin’s daughter being pregnant.

I don’t actually believe that you or anyone with their faculties intact, can ignore that and the historically long laundry list of inanities associated with the *O* and have any credibility left, whatsoever.

Clueless is what they’ve (mediabots and their anti-America allies in the tank for *O*) strived for and attained…..fool speed ahead! There’s no time for facts, when the narrative drums must beaten like some kind of galley slave. Row damnit! Row!!!

2) There’s nothing to contrast that level of stupidity with. Give 500 random McCain voters the same test, and see how they do. If there’s a significant difference, than we can talk. (Still, I’d prefer several thousand to be even remotely accurate)

3) 538 (a website run by a statistics expert) has already given a list of problems with the poll. I would link, but can’t open the site at work (for some strange reason?).

But you would expect Howard Stern to go out of his way to find the dumbest individuals they can find.

You might want to take a closer look at the HowObamaGotElected web site. What you’ll learn there is that the video there (the same one Hot Air linked) showed a set of typical Obama voters at one polling site, and they’re equally clueless.

Now, you can argue again that the video producers cherry-picked the dumbest ones available for their film. But what you can not dispute is the accompanying Zogby poll of 512 Obama voters. That is not a sample chosen for stupidity. Given a dozen simple questions – most of which you see in the video clip – more than half didn’t know the Democrats run Congress and almost 90% didn’t know that Obama admitted his policies would make energy prices skyrocket. But almost all of them knew Sarah Palin’s daughter is pregnant. And less than 1% got all the questions right.

Of course, there are those like you who bury their heads in the sand and turn logic on its head to justify a partisan vote even though they know the facts. But I wonder how many of those dimbulb voters would have changed their vote if the MSM spent as much time discussing trivialities like Obama’s energy policy as they did investigating the earth-shaking news of Palin’s daughter being pregnant.

My take on “what to do:” engage, engage, engage. The more conservatives and evangelicals engage, the better. Not just ask “hey, what’s your view?” and then fawn about “isn’t it nice? I’m ok, you’re ok pal!” We really have to dig deep at a worldview level.

This means equipping ourselves and becoming educated (not just the “university degree” type) so we can be effective engagers.

From there: socratic questioning. Well put questions can stop someone in their tracks. Even if they keep a straight face and maintain their view in front of you, they just might think about it later on. I think engaging socratically is more effective than directly giving your argument monologue fashion.

Personally, I think you should have to pass an IQ test in order to vote. If you’re so stupid that you think Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are news, or the New York Times and CNN for that matter, you’re officially to dumb to make decisions concerning the direction of our nation.

But you would expect Howard Stern to go out of his way to find the dumbest individuals they can find. They’ve been doing this same gag for 15 years (consequently, the same gag has also been used by the Daily Show, the Tonight Show & the Late Show).

Whatever you have to tell yourself, Alchemist, we understand.

God help us all.

Are there stupid people who voted Obama. Certainly. Are there stupid people who voted McCain. Definately. Are there more stupid people who voted Obama. I would agree with that. Statistically speaking, the person who receives more votes is going to have more votes from uninformed voters as well.