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NC Cop says:

November 12, 2010 at 12:22 pm

I’ve almost finished reading Thiessen’s book “Courting Disaster” and it is a MUST read for anyone interested in this topic.

In the Obama adminstrations rush to keep the attention focused on Bush, they declassified thousands of pages of intelligence that allowed Thiessen to completely debunk any and all of the left’s hysterical rants.

This, much like the political left, is an irrelevant topic.

Please move on, lefties.
Phineas says:

November 12, 2010 at 1:31 pm

NC Cop:

I just finished Thiessen’s book a couple of weeks ago and I agree: it’s must-reading for anyone interested in this issue. His discussion of the moral aspects of the use of “enhanced techniques” particularly stuck with me.

Must get around to doing a review of that book…
Rusty says:

November 12, 2010 at 3:05 pm

The problem with this post is that it avoids the obvious: that Bush’s waterboarding was BOTH moral/the right thing to do AND a violation of law. It’s like saying “not only was Martin Luther King Jr. right to sit at that lunch counter, he wasn’t violating ANY Jim Crow law when he did.” Go ahead and urge that the U.S. leave the Geneva Convention, or at least pass a law reserving an exemption for cases such as post-9/11. Go ahead and accuse the left of hypocrisy. But have some respect for the rule of law and objective truth, because waterboarding is torture.
Dennis D says:

November 12, 2010 at 3:29 pm

If I could save on American life by torturing a terrorist. All I can say is

Attach the red wire to the battery. Ground the black wire and have him remove his underwear.
Not Likely says:

November 12, 2010 at 3:45 pm

Nice to know that in your world only “far leftists” are concerned about the United States torturing people.

Pro-tip: most civilized people find your position despicable.
John says:

November 12, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Idiots, all of you.

LINK

Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his Japanese captors.[108] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified “Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I’d get my breath, then they’d start over again… I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death.”[35]

The United States hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American prisoners of war.[109]

No one is above the law in this country, period.
NC Cop says:

November 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm

But have some respect for the rule of law and objective truth, because waterboarding is torture.

I disagree.

Pro-tip: most civilized people find your position despicable.

Imagine what that means to me?
Phineas says:

November 12, 2010 at 4:28 pm

Rusty:

But have some respect for the rule of law and objective truth, because waterboarding is torture.

Please don’t take this as a smart-ass reply; I mean it as genuine suggestion. Borrow or buy a copy of Thiessen’s book, read chapter 5 (“Tough, Not Torture”), and then explain to me how waterboarding or any of the other enhanced techniques legally amount to torture. If you still believe they are, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Not Likely:

Pro-tip: most civilized people find your position despicable.

How’s the view from that high horse you’re on? And let me ask you: It was only through waterboarding that we learned at least 2-3 active plots, which could have killed thousands. So, how many people were you willing to let die in follow-on attacks to 9/11, just to keep thinking of yourself as civilized?
NC Cop says:

November 12, 2010 at 6:44 pm

Idiots, all of you.

Oh, John, what an intelligent way to open a dialogue!! We’re used to people like you, though, so it’s nothing new. Let’s take a look at your “post” shall we?

The United States hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American prisoners of war.[109]

Wrong, John, they were hanged for far more than waterboarding. Observe:

Nielsen and his fellow prisoners, who were taken to Tokyo, were beaten and tortured while being interrogated. Among other things, Nielsen
said in interviews, bamboo splints were shoved under his fingernails and then lighted on fire, and the bottoms of his feet were burned with
hot coals.

Hmmm, bamboo splints under the fingernails, lit on fire, and bottom of his feet burned with hot coals. Just a tad bit more than simple waterboarding, eh John? The fact is that NO Japanese soldier was executed just for waterboarding. Japanese torture was brutal, lethal, painful and some of the most brutal ever witnessed before. Stop trying to say it’s the same as what was done with 3 Al Qaeda terrorists. Equating the two is just dishonest and ignorant.

If you would have read “Courting Disaster” you would see that this was something that Bush conferred with his lawyers about extensively. I don’t believe the Japanese did that. There was a clear chain of command during the use of this technique by the U.S. and it was supervised at all times with a doctor standing by. I don’t believe the Japanese did that.

Let’s not forget that our OWN troops get waterboarded during SERE training. Hundreds of them undergo it every year, yet I don’t hear people like you crying about THEIR torture. If it’s done to our troops without permanent or painful results, how is this wrong to do to terrorists hell bent on killing us?

Finally, I remember reading a part of the book that talked about Christopher Hitchens getting waterboarded in order to prove how horrible and torturous it was. After only a few seconds, Hitchens had to call it quits. Then after that he did something very strange….he requested to be waterboarded again to see if he could hold out longer.

Yes sir! If I were undergoing something so horrible, painful and torturous I would certainly ask to undergo it AGAIN!!!

Oh, and finally John, you may want to start getting your information from somewhere other than Wikipedia. You may actually learn something and not look quite so foolish.
Noelie says:

November 12, 2010 at 7:23 pm

John, can you point out one group of Japanese that “ONLY” waterboarded US soldiers?
Please, they were executed for doing far worse. The Japanese were a special breed of ruthless those days, that only ignorant, history-poor leftists like yourself ignore. You aren’t excited about this to the point of histrionics because its against some law you can’t point to, but because Bush’s Admin did it. If it was Jolly Prince “IWON”, you wouldn’t be saying a word. Get over yourself.
kbob in Katy says:

November 12, 2010 at 7:37 pm

Waterboarding MUST be torture, after all, making AQ wear womens skivvies on their heads was torture.

For all those who think it is torture, would it still be torture if it was your child or spouse who would die because someone would not talk? My family and friends, my country and my freedom mean more than the life of anyone who would try to take that from me.

yeah, I am an uncivil cretin, but try to hurt things important to me and I will do everything in my power to terminate that person or group of people with extreme prejudice. Multiple tours in theaters of combat have shown me that the enemy is ruthless, uncivil and not respectful of the law of war. My civility has been painful and costly. I will play by their rules next time.
thomas mc donnell says:

November 12, 2010 at 8:03 pm

# 10 is right. it is not what was done it was who did it. look how many peace demonstration there are now. look how the media splashes them all over the front pages and the television news. look how times diane feinstein and barbara boxer charge violations of the geneva convention in the last two years. all of the left’s complaints worldwide are based on one word. BUSH.
Jo says:

November 13, 2010 at 8:24 am

Uhm . . . guess I’m just an ignorant rube but I vividly recall standing in my living room on 9/11 and watching people jumping to their deaths from extremely high windows to avoid burning to death–not soldiers in full protective gear trained to counter-attack but innocent Americans going through their work day. I stay attuned to the calls for similar attacks from these radical cult-following barbarians and know that at some time in the future, it could happen again and perhaps to people I personally know and love. I just love how all of the self-righteous Lefties come flying to the defense of cretins hell-bent on destroying our nation but cry FOUL! every time the name of God is uttered in a public gathering, a school classroom or national event. Those of us with some basic common sense know who the enemies are and will uphold ANY techniques to thwart their mission, LIBTARDS.
Kate says:

November 13, 2010 at 2:39 pm

I agree with Jo…when offensives are planned and executed against the general public we have a serious need for intensified methods of obtaining information.

There really is no comparison of the current use of waterboarding by US intelligence officials and that of the Japanese during WWII. I highly doubt that there were doctors and others who observed that the interrogation was done within “certain” parameters….one of those being that the person did not suffer more than psychological fear and no permanent physical wounds when employed by the Japanese.

We all hear stories of the horrible vile torture done by the Japanese in prisoner of war camps…thereby violating the Geneva Convention. We can also recount of those of the North Vietnamese…and who do you think was flocking to N. Vietnam DURING the war? It certainly wasn’t a right wing extremist was it?

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