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Carlos says:

March 27, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Ya know, what I haven’t heard about this whole thing is the treatment for a privileged class in our country today: the exceptional athlete at any level.

Just from the relatively scant coverage I watched, it seems to me the kids charged with the rape offense had the simple defense of “You can’t do this to me – I’m a star!”

And the townspeople seemed to buy into it!

Fer cryin’ out loud, no wonder the victim masses get confused when someone calls them on anything, after witnessing this circus!
Acethepug says:

March 27, 2013 at 12:15 pm

You make a great point — it takes two to tango, as it were. Don’t go out of your way to put yourself in a vulnerable position (this in no way excuses the human refuse who rape).

I’ll be honest (as a male), on two things in my personal experience;

1. I never had this problem. Being fat and bulbous meant I didn’t get invited anywhere where I might be tempted by an intoxicated girl. Whether that was for good or ill I cannot say. (by that, I mean I do not know whether I would have behaved as the video you describe, or more likely done #2 below)

2. More sadly, in today’s political and social environment, I don’t even know if I would give that sleeping drunk girl a blanket, pillow, or water, for fear of being accused of something later. It’s a depressing statement, but very telling for our society (I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s, FWIW).

But again, well said. Thank you for posting!
Drew the Infidel says:

March 27, 2013 at 1:54 pm

Hey! Hold the phone. First things first. Why was there a drunken teen girl in the first place? Who allowed that to occur? This is what happens when there are distracted, irresponsible, and brain-dead parents who could not tell you within a five-mile radius where that kid last took a crap. This proves the old point about there not being any such thing as illegitimate children, only illegitimate parents.
Susan P says:

March 27, 2013 at 2:50 pm

Responsibility, hmmm… There are parents who are not responsible to know where their kids are, who they are with, and what they are doing. There are people who procure liquor for or sell liquor to minors. There are girls who get drunk. There are boys who rape said girls. I think there is a failure of responsibility at a lot of points on the timeline; but we only convict those who actually commit the crime. I’m glad the boys were convicted; it would have been a travesty had they not been. Hopefully it sends a bit of a jolt down the line of responsibility to the girl, the liquor source, the parents, and even to the larger society, that people will heed.
Angela B. says:

March 27, 2013 at 7:06 pm

I got that drunk, once when I was 18. I went to a frat party, and the punch was spiked with God alone knows how much of what. They kept refilling my cup so that I had no idea how much I was consuming – and was progressively less able to make any judgments at all – until I fell down on the dance floor. Then….someone who was in one of my classes, a member of that fraternity, drove me home across campus in my own car, got me into my room, shut me in, left my keys, and walked back across campus in a snowstorm.

I know how much differently it might have turned out, and I have been forever grateful to him. I can’t remember his name.

The girl in question might have been drinking something like that, and not known how drunk she was getting until she was too drunk to make any choices on her behalf. It’s possible. And tragic.
The Dana who is a father says:

March 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Our beautiful hostess noted the simple advice, “Don’t get drunk,” and then gave examples of other things responsible parents tell their kids not to do.

Thing is, kids might not be mature, but they sure have a great nose for hypocrisy. If you are going to tell your children not to drink, because it’s bad for you and can lead to bad situations, don’t expect them to listen unless you don’t drink alcohol yourself.

Dead stop. But that’s the honest truth: a parent cannot expect to teach his children to not do something that he does himself, because children won’t respect the advice or the lesson.

In 24 years as a father, I can’t tell you how many stories I’ve heard of other people’s kids fouling up, because they did exactly the same things that their parents did. My two daughters never came home drunk, never came home somehow “in trouble,” were never delivered to our front door by the police, and were both responsible and dedicated enough to join the Army Reserves. And their mother and father don’t drink, don’t smoke pot, and don’t screw around. Strangely enough, I think that makes a difference.
Zippy says:

March 29, 2013 at 11:54 am

Many years ago I drew that conclusion .. at the age of 23, at a bar..it was a super revelation. I realized as a female, there were others who could and would exploit the vulnerability of someone who was intoxicated. It dawned on me like a slap in the face. Woke me up, too!
Maria says:

March 31, 2013 at 5:15 am

Big difference between intoxication and being drugged with rohypnol.

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