Arnie denies clemency to Tookie

This will make him even more unpopular with the usual suspects but then again it’s not about doing what’s popular – it’s about doing the right thing, which I think the Governor did.

Will there be any unrest as a result of this? I hope not, but no doubt several cities in California are on alert.

Prior Toldjah So post:

Will Arnie grant clemency to Tookie?

45 Responses to "Arnie denies clemency to Tookie"

PCD says:

December 12, 2005 at 4:06 pm

Let the sentence be carried out.

California has a long list of killers who should be making peace with their maker.
tommy in nyc says:

December 12, 2005 at 4:09 pm

I’m sure there will be some unrest because of this. Nobody should be surprised at this though. Personally I’m against the death penalty but it is the law in Ca. so all there is to say is that i’m glad i’m not in his shoes
PCD says:

December 12, 2005 at 4:11 pm

tommy, yeah, all those ACLU lawyers will be protesting their loss of legal fees.
CZ says:

December 12, 2005 at 6:23 pm

Any idea what insane crusade B.J. Honeycutt will take on next?
Flopping Aces says:

December 12, 2005 at 7:20 pm

Buh Bye Tookie!

On the way into the station we drove through a few of the projects in the South Central area and no signs of unrest yet….but who knows. Idiots will take any reason to destroy their communities property and to loot:

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steve says:

December 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm

You people still do not get it…it’s inconsistent to call for capital punishment and war then condemn abortion. Thou shall not kill. You mortals don’t get to make life and death decisions. Except when it comes to yourself, everyone else is off limits. Peace
CavalierX says:

December 12, 2005 at 8:11 pm

>it’s inconsistent to call for capital
>punishment and war then condemn abortion

Allow me to quote myself.

Cavalier’s Theorem:
Every time, Liberals will fight to protect the guilty and kill the innocent, while Conservatives will fight to protect the innocent and punish the guilty.
Pam says:

December 12, 2005 at 9:18 pm

Cav- well said. We didn’t decide Tookies fate, he did!

Looks like the cocktail is on the state Tookie.
Pam says:

December 12, 2005 at 9:39 pm

CZ- I have no idea but I am having a heck of a time watching him on larry King right now. Can you say cuckoo
Ryan says:

December 12, 2005 at 9:39 pm

I’m so tempted to say something, but I won’t. Amen Cavalier.
Ryan says:

December 12, 2005 at 9:40 pm

Haha, BJ Honeycutt..
Bachbone says:

December 12, 2005 at 10:39 pm

Had Gov. Schwarzenegger looked at this from a purely political perspective, he would have seen that, in commuting the sentence, his chances of gaining votes from clemency seekers were almost nil, while his chances of losing votes from the other side were pretty high.

Now, if only we could get Pres. Bush, Sen. Frist and Congressman Hastert to recognize that same equation at the federal level. How many times have they been ‘slapped up side de haid,’ after compromising on issues, by the very people they expected to be grateful?
ArizonaTeach says:

December 12, 2005 at 10:46 pm

Wow, steve, what a load of steaming ignorance you’re serving up there. If you’re seriously comparing an innocent child’s life and welfare to a murdering, unrepentant pig of a thug, then I think it’s pretty clear who doesn’t “get it.” Not to mention your stunning misunderstanding of the basic tennants of the Bible and what “Thou Shalt Not Kill” means. Yeah, peace out my brother.

I’m not going to be necessarily happy when Tookie Williams dies, because it’s unfortunate when any person dies and that we had to get to that stage, but make no mistake. We had to get to that stage. He committed a series of monstrous deeds, could have tried to do something real to make up for it, but instead chose to protect the leeches of oxygen that he refuses to “rat out.” No, instead I will be happy that justice, in some small way, was carried out. I will grieve not for Tookie, but for the families and souls of those he murdered, and for several decades of insanity that Tookie was directly responsible when he created the Crips, something that no children’s book will ever wipe away, something that no ridiculously phony political Nobel Peace Prize nomination will make better.

It is right that he pay his lawfully considered and adjudicated debt to society. He was given every fair opportunity throughout and after his trial. Every level of court and government has heard his pleas and rejected them (although my understanding is at this moment it’s still entirely possible the Supreme Court could issue a stay). He was not taken out back and shot in the head. He chose the path, he will accept the legal and just punishment as meted out by, let’s face it, an extremely liberal state. What does that tell you? Don’t you dare for a moment accuse anyone here of taking pleasure in his death, because that’s insulting and slanderous. We take comfort in a system and punishment we believe in, a system we see as responsible, fair, and correct.
Kevin says:

December 13, 2005 at 3:15 am

Some comedian was talking about the death penalty in Texas. He said, “If you come to our state and kill someone on purpose, we will kill you back.”

I could understand letting off a guy who killed someone when he was 12 or so, but if you haven’t figured out by the time you become an adult, you’ve got no right to share the planet with the rest of us.

I guess to a liberal, my view would be ‘intolerant’. But when it comes to murder and rape, I am.
ttyler5 says:

December 13, 2005 at 5:39 am

The libs got they wanted: Justice for Tookie!
ttyler5 says:

December 13, 2005 at 5:45 am

PS, Steve, above: I have a hard time seeing the similarities between a baby in the womb and Tookie, multiple murderer and founder of one the world’s most savage criminal gangs.

I mean, if we really couldn’t tell the difference, then we’d be just as likely to execute jaywalkers and doubleparkers as we would violent savages who shoot whole families, would we not?
Lorica says:

December 13, 2005 at 6:24 am

Yes it is sheer stupidity to compare abortion to capital punishment. Tell me what crime did the fetus commit?? Conception?? It is totally illogical to think that the 2 even compare. – Lorica
Lorica says:

December 13, 2005 at 6:32 am

It is tragic that this man died. It is horrible, and I hate the fact that the criminally minded force the hand of the upright to go to these extremes. I am sorry, but Arnie is correct. It might be a whole different subject if he showed some remorse, but he had not, and will not. Personally I don’t think we should allow prisoners to write children’s books. I don’t care what the subject is. They are there to do the time they have been convicted of. If they have time to write childrens books then I say we should bring back labor farms. Make them work for the food they eat. Let Tookie and his ilk spend a day in solid work slopping hogs, like so many hard working law abiding folk do. I say get rid of the cable, get rid of the HBO, let’s stop making our prisons into country clubs and see what happens. – Lorica
CavalierX says:

December 13, 2005 at 8:29 am

>It is tragic that this man died.

Tragic is not the word I would use. Knowing that murder is against the law, he chose to kill nonetheless. I reserve “tragic” to describe the deaths of his victims.
Kevin says:

December 13, 2005 at 9:46 am

“but if you haven’t figured out by the time you become an adult” should read “but if you haven’t figured out by the time you become an adult that murder is wrong“. Heh, sorry, my post didn’t make much sense without that part!
Lorica says:

December 13, 2005 at 10:19 am

I am not showing him sympathy Cav. It is tragic that the criminally minded push society to these extremes. It is tragic the grief that the families have gone thru for this man’s senseless brutal behavior. But I will not rejoice in the death of any one person no matter how evil they are or were. Let him make his peace with his Maker, if so it is time to let the anger go. – Lorica
CavalierX says:

December 13, 2005 at 10:49 am

>It is tragic that the criminally minded
>push society to these extremes. It is
>tragic the grief that the families have
>gone thru for this man’s senseless
>brutal behavior.

Well, I absolutely agree with you there, though I think we’re just arguing semantics. His life was tragic — not for him, but for his innocent victims and their families, and all the violence and death caused by the Crips. His death, however, is just and well-deserved. Should have taken place more than a decade ago. I find myself as incapable of mourning his death as I would the death of a cockroach.
Lorica says:

December 13, 2005 at 1:08 pm

Absolutely Cav. I hate the fact that people like this force us to have captital punishment laws. – Lorica
steve says:

December 13, 2005 at 4:11 pm

The last time I checked none of you qualify to be God so you have no right to take a life. Ever. And if you think that you do than you believe yourself to be God’s equal and would, I guess, be aligning yourself with the other archangel who did that and was condemmed. You cannot have Peace(Christ) by making war(anti-Christ). Peace
Baklava says:

December 13, 2005 at 6:06 pm

Steve wrote, “none of you qualify to be God so you have no right to take a life”

We aren’t taking a life Steve. Which one of us are you accusing of taking a life?
Lorica says:

December 13, 2005 at 7:49 pm

I find it odd the logic of excusing the murderer, but berating the punishment. If Tookie wouldn’t of killed he would not be dead now. It is just that simple. – Lorica
steve says:

December 13, 2005 at 8:14 pm

The state took the life and we are all a part of the state. The state is acting in our name as they were when they invaded Iraq. So you,Baklava, are a part of the “you” who took the man’s life and the little boy’s life in Iraq today. Peace
Melissa in Texas says:

December 13, 2005 at 8:33 pm

Steve, Darlin’.
You really ARE clueless!
The Bible says, Thou Shalt Not Kill, yes. That is the part that Tookie apparently did not read.
The Bible also says that we are to obey the laws of the land…
Oops! Tookie must have missed learning that one too!
The law is that the death penalty is used as punishment for heinous crimes! Same as PRISON.

BTW Kev,
the same comedian, from Texas too, I might add, also said something about our state putting in an express lane!

I agree with one thing, Tookie waited too to face his punishment.
Severian says:

December 13, 2005 at 9:10 pm

In that case Steve, unless you are not a US citizen and not living in the US, you are one of the people that took Tookie’s life too! Welcome Brother!
CavalierX says:

December 13, 2005 at 9:17 pm

I really think all these “religious” people screaming on various blogs about how wrong it was to mete out justice are really Liberal trolls wearing religious clothing. Notice how they suddenly demand that the country be governed by their version of religion, rather than the laws written by our elected representatives. They’re as transparent as plate glass.
steve says:

December 14, 2005 at 2:48 pm

No law supersedes God’s law. And God’s law is restricted to the 10 Commandments. They are not open to interpretation or discussion. Thou shall not kill. Peace
PCD says:

December 14, 2005 at 2:55 pm

I for one reject steve’s attempts to impose his religion on me.
Baklava says:

December 14, 2005 at 6:48 pm

You’ve never answered the question Steve…

Is every president of this country going to hell? (because they’ve in the commander in chief position ordered troops in some fashion to kill).

The problem isn’t God’s law. The problem is your interpretation of God’s law. If a country were to just dismantle all weapons and never raise a hand in defense or preemptive strategic defense… we’d just call ourselves extinct and God’s law doesn’t call for that. God speaks to individuals to not kill. But if confronted with “evil” (do you recognize that exists Steve?) you are allowed to use force to overcome… you don’t simply turn your cheek or offer your wife or another child to evil people. And as a leader the president doesn’t just say oh. ok. take another city to evil people. Evil people do exist. If we say that you must let us coexist (you can’t just have a policy of kill the infidel) then we have a right to defend ourselves and EVERY president has the right to protect this nation.

We can’t wait (the lesson of 9/11) for the terrorist to kill thousands more anymore. We need to help them understand that if you are a terrorist you will not be tolerated.
steve says:

December 15, 2005 at 10:44 am

What if the United States demanded that the entire world disarm simultaneously? If you believe that it cannot be done, then it cannot. If on the other hand you believe that it can, then you work for Peace. War(anti-Christ), Peace(Christ). Choose a side. Peace
PCD says:

December 15, 2005 at 11:01 am

Steve, you speak sheer lunacy. We negotiated nuclear arms reductions with the USSR and they were constantly cheating. You think China is giving up their arms?

We are demanding that North Korea disarm and they are not.

I really fear for your sanity, man.
Bachbone says:

December 15, 2005 at 12:13 pm

PCD, don’t you realize that some people still believe the world has a sanity clause? If everyone were sane and not evil, unilateral peace ‘solutions’ might be tried at less peril than the existing reality; such as, there are nutty, power hungry people who would gleefully saw off an infidel’s head or drop a nuke down every Christian’s chimney for Christmas. Now, if Steve wants to submit to those results, it’s his choice. But he ought not expect some of the rest of us to go like sheep to the slaughter without dragging our feet a little.
PCD says:

December 15, 2005 at 12:19 pm

I thought of sending steve a doctor to treat him, Jack Elam as the Doctor from Cannonball Run. I still giggle at the look on Elam’s face when he gives himself a shot from his own HUGE hypodermic.
Severian says:

December 15, 2005 at 12:21 pm

“What if the United States demanded that the entire world disarm simultaneously? ”

Demanded? Demanded? How do you think we might enforce that “demand?” Oooh! Oooh! I know, we threaten to kill anyone who doesn’t comply!!!

What a simplistic, childish idea. Living in a dream world of utopian delight eh? Try looking at the real world now and then, if you have the guts to. You’ll soon see how useless (at best) and suicidally damaging (at worst) your ideas are.
Baklava says:

December 15, 2005 at 12:48 pm

Steve wrote, “What if the United States demanded that the entire world disarm simultaneously?

I believe there are evil people and bad people. It is why when law abiding citizens are disarmed (and become defenseless) the city’s murder rate skyrockets. When Orlanda Florida armed and trained 1500 women and publicized that, the next year rape declined 87%. So Steve, are you for rape or are you against it? If you are against it then you’d be for the 1500 women being armed.

If we publicized that our next year’s entire defense budget was going to be spent dismantling all of our weapons, ships, jets, etc you better know as a president or leader that this country would be attacked. National security comes through strength.

Utopia does not and cannot exist. This is why communism doesn’t work. This is kindergarten common sense and understanding Steve. I’m really dissappointed in the logic that you are using. It opens yourself up for the ridicule that you are receiving. It is easy to take the opinion that you hate america and want to see it’s demise because it’s hard for anyone to understand that you’d actually seriously and legitimately hold the opinions that you have that my 9 year old daughter could dismantle.

There are other examples of PEACE through strength of the GOOD people. Kennesaw Georgia made a law that every head of household must obtain a firearm and burglary declined the next year by 88%.

I am personally not worried about how we (the U.S.) looks to terrorists, bad people, evil people, etc. I am personally interested in advancing peace and freedom and the strength of this country’s interests because we are good in general.

A democracy’s interest lies in advancing peace and advancing the standard of living for its people. The people within are interested in these things because they are interested in having a family and seeing their children grow up strong, healthy, knowledgable and prosperous. The larger government is – the more powerful government is – the less say the citizens have – the more you see that nation tend towards not advancing peace and the standard of living of the people. The people become DEPENDANT on the government and that never ending vicious cyle is hard to break.

Iraqi people will be finding this out. They will find out that peace and prosperity does not come by electing mad men like Saddam.
steve says:

December 15, 2005 at 4:00 pm

Christians believe in Peace, if you do not believe in Peace you are not a follower of Christ. Going to the moon was called simplistic and impossible 100 years ago. Nothing can happen unless you believe that it can and then you work to make it so. It must be depressing being a Republican with your paranoia and hedonism. Or is it your headonism which causes your paranoia? Peace
Baklava says:

December 15, 2005 at 4:29 pm

I believe in peace steve.

The question is how do you achieve peace. I know for certain that evil exists and you achieve peace through strength. We will be summarily defeated quickly if we removed all weapons. That isn’t peace, that is death.

It isn’t depressing being a republican recognizing truth. The question is Steve.. does utopia exist for you? If it does then why do you have a problem with Republicans? We are part of your utopia…

If it doesn’t exist for you, do you think utopia is possible here on earth? And recognizing that it doesn’t exist does that mean you have paranoia also?

I’m simply stating over and over again that evil exists and you are required to use force to overcome it but you put your head in the sand and act like it doesn’t exist. Has anything bad ever happened to you or your family? Did you offer that person another person in your family to do bad to?

BTW, Calling us paranoid and hedonists isn’t a good way to debate. It doesn’t pursuade anyone of anything. We can’t even get to the point in our debate steve where you recognize that evil exists.

Rape in Orlando happened many times. Women were armed. Rape declined the next year by 87%. I’d say those women who weren’t raped lived in much more PEACE.
Melissa in Texas says:

December 15, 2005 at 6:14 pm

Steve,
Regarding your comment above:

>Christians believe in Peace
>if you do not believe in Peace you are not a follower of Christ.

THAT is exactly what turns so many away from Chrisianity!

Sometimes we must agree to disagree.

So in your eyes, because I support the death penalty, I cannot be a Christian?

Has anyone in your family ever been murdered in cold blood?

I, unfortunately have experienced it.
Fortunately, the murderer had the good grace to shoot himself after killing my sister, so my family did not have to go through the agony of a court hearing.
Bachbone says:

December 15, 2005 at 7:21 pm

I’m sorry for your loss, Melissa.

Steve, if I were a Democrat, could I be paranoiac and hedonistic? Or are only Republicans of that mold? Also, please let me know the brand crystal ball you gaze into that enables you to determine what any other human being has in his/her heart. By calling anyone “paranoid” or “hedonistic,” might you be treading close to judging others? Or bearing false witness?

Biblical scholars of 50+ years still disagree as to what many lines in the Bible mean. And it has been translated through many languages, where meanings were inevitably altered, that unless you are capable of reading the original texts, your views are based on what someone else believed they were correctly putting down. Therefore, you could be wrong in your interpretations.

As my minister once told me, “A lot of us are going to be very surprised when we get to Heaven. We’re going to see a lot of people there we never expected to see; and we’re not going to see a lot we thought sure would be there.”

Most here want peace as badly as you, but not peace at any price.
Melissa in Texas says:

December 15, 2005 at 7:25 pm

Amen Bach!
Sister Toldjah says:

December 15, 2005 at 7:27 pm

Melissa – I’m sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine the pain you and your family must have gone through.

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