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Audacity of Truth
Whiner-in-Chief:
"[W]hether the grumbling is about Republicans on Fox or bloggers in pajamas, there's a word for what the president and his aides are doing. That word is "whining." And nothing [...] does more damage to Obama's credibility or authority than the sense that a popular president is becoming the whiner-in-chief."
- John Nichols, Nation Magazine - 10/12/09
Fired up!
I swear, the more I read about Joe Wilson, and the more I hear him talk, the more fired up I get over the whole affaire de Plame. He’s is repeating his call for Karl Rove to be fired:
WASHINGTON – Presidential adviser Karl Rove should be fired for his role in the CIA leak, the husband of the agent whose cover was exposed told NBC’s “Today” show on Monday.
“I think the president should fire him … these are firing offenses” Joe Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador, said of Rove.
[...]
Rove is a “party to the compromise of national security of this country” Wilson alleged. Rove was not indicted Friday but was told that he remains under investigation.
Wilson also welcomed Libby’s indictment, saying it showed that “no man is above the law” in the United States.
Wilson contends that his wife’s identity was deliberately revealed by the Bush administration to get back at him for publicly challenging U.S. prewar intelligence on Iraq.
Wilson added that “we have received threats” over their allegations and have had to change their phone listing as a result.
Uh huh! It’s all about YOU, isn’t it Joe? If it isn’t one grand conspiracy to get you it’s another. GMADB!
More: Check my archives (scroll) for other discussions about Plamegate.
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Yo, ST! Have you looked at the research Tom Maguire has been putting in on the Wilson-Plame brouhaha? Good stuff htere, and enough solid research to quiet even the most staunch of the thinking liberals.
Patterico also examines the issue as well.
These guys should definitely be top-shelf material for anyone researching the issue.
Peace!
And ignore my somewhat dyslexic spelling, if ya please!
Cool. Tom Maquire.
You GO, sis!!
What does GMADB mean?
Hey Brad, where do you go to find thinking liberals? I would enjoy a thoughtful debate with them, but caon only find the Kos or Atrios type of liberal, where debate is pointless, involving neither facts nor logic.
The only thinking liberal I’ve found on the web is Frank Warner, and we agree on too much for any debate.
Ms. Toldjah, please inform us on the meaning of “GMADB”. The suspense is killing me
Brad: I agree! Have linked up to them both often on the Joe Wilson/Plamegate stuff. Maguire has been a blogging machine about it. His blog was the first I checked once I heard about the Libby indictments.
El C and Kevin: GMADB=Give Me A D–n Break. It’s a slightly modified version of the GMAFB that I’ve seen posted at some other places
Sister Toldjah,
How do you know whether or not revealing Valerie Plame’s identity hurt our national security? On 60 minutes, former CIA agents came out and publicly stated that disclosing her identity did seriously damage our national security. How are you more qualified than those former CIA agents to determine this?
Joe Scarborough also called for Karl Rove to be fired after it became known that he was the one who revealed her identity. Joe said if someone on his staff did this, he would have fired them immediately. Are you also fired up at Joe Scarborough?
If revealing Valerie Plame’s identity wasn’t a big deal, why didn’t Ari Fleischer do it? He knew her identity but he did not reveal it when trying to refute Joe Wilson’s accusations.
http://www.slate.com/id/2129097/?nav=tap3
More astonishingly, we learn from the Fitzgerald indictment that Ari Fleischer knew about Plame and didn’t tell anyone at all. He walked reporters, including me, up to the fact, suggesting they look into who sent Wilson, but never used her name or talked about her position. Why not? It certainly would have been helpful for him at the time. His colleagues were savaging him at the time for bungling the response to Wilson’s July 6 New York Times opinion piece. They blamed him for not sufficiently refuting the article. By leaking the Plame information, Fleischer could have discredited Wilson, muddied the story, and won back the affection of his complaining colleagues.
I know this affair is getting hyped to the max on MSM, but I think think it is minor league stuff. I bet even her hairdresser and Starbucks server knew she was a spook.
Gateway Pundit has some good stuff on Wilson BEFORE the op-ed ever came out. Looks like old Joe might have outed his wife on his own. (Hat tip: Instapundit)
Brian,
Your lack of logical reasoning is appalling. You attack, attack, and attack, but you never refute any real facts, just more manure agaist the wall is your only tactic.
Brian wrote, “How do you know whether or not revealing Valerie Plame’s identity hurt our national security?”
1) Who revealed Plame’s identity to the public? Reporters
2) What was the name that Plame used undercover? YOU DON’T KNOW DO YOU?
3) Her picture is worth a 1,000 words and she had her picture on the cover of Vanity Fair before she was supposedly “outed”. People could’ve identified her purely from her picture and inside story.
“Your lack of logical reasoning is appalling. You attack, attack, and attack, but you never refute any real facts”
Is this satire?
“2) What was the name that Plame used undercover? YOU DON’T KNOW DO YOU?
3) Her picture is worth a 1,000 words and she had her picture on the cover of Vanity Fair before she was supposedly “outed”. People could’ve identified her purely from her picture and inside story.”
Its not her name or her picture which are secret, but the fact that she was a CIA agent when she was pretending to work for her non-official cover company — under whatever name or picture she had.
Is such a simple matter of national security so hard to understand?
h.garner,
Perhaps you should open your eyes and mind a bit more. There are enough documented instances before the article appeared that Joe Wilson bragged his wife worked at the CIA.
Is it a national security breach for me to talk about the Internship program at the CIA for college students and my experience with it?
garner, you are setting up a logic totaulogy, but you forget the often totaulogies are not based on true fact and fall on their face because of it.
In no way was the naming of Plame a violation of the law. Now, you want to get all huffed up about Libby, how about Leahy and other democrats that not only leak officer’s names but operations they disagree with? You want to stop being a hypocrite and hang them just as high?
“There are enough documented instances before the article appeared that Joe Wilson bragged his wife worked at the CIA.”
That’s a different issue than her picture or her name being on a magazine unconnected to the CIA.
“Is it a national security breach for me to talk about the Internship program at the CIA for college students and my experience with it?”
The issue is not just CIA, or internships, but covers and covertness. Is this that hard to understand?
h.garner, then where is your outrage when John Kerry, Pat Leahy, and other out CIA operations because they don’t agree with them?
“h.garner, then where is your outrage when John Kerry, Pat Leahy, and other out CIA operations because they don’t agree with them? ”
Outrageous. tell me more.
As a good leftist of course, I fully support the destruction of the CIA and its anti-democratic coup-makers.
Baklava,
What do think the intention of Karl Rove was in telling a reporter? Do you really think that when Karl Rove told a reporter Valerie Plame’s identity, it wasn’t his intention for this to be printed in a newspaper or magazine? How naïve can you possibly be?
Once again you are showing your incredible arrogance. You’ve decided that you know better than the CIA or special prosecutor who spent two years investigating the case, that our national security wasn’t harmed. You do not know this.
PCD,
If revealing Valerie Plame’s identity was not a violation of the law, why was a special prosecutor appointed to investigate it?
PCD,
I don’t just “attack, attack, and attack”. I’m trying to make the point that neither you, Sister Toldjah, or Baklava know enough about Valerie Plame’s career to determine whether or not there were any security risks in revealing her identity.
Brian,
Because undisclosed people in the CIA asked the Justice Department to investigate. Now, Brian, how uninformed are you? Or is the problem you legislate as you feel fit at whatever point and written law means nothing to you?
Trent Lott and William Niskanen, head of the Cato Institute, are now questioning whether Karl Rove should keep his policy-making job.
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“He (Rove) has been very successful, very effective in the political arena. The question is, should he be the deputy chief of staff for policy under the current circumstances?” Lott told MSNBC’s “Hardball.”
Niskanen, who served as a top economic adviser to former President Ronald Reagan, said, “Bush is going to have to sacrifice people who have worked with him to regain some initiative.”
Niskanen said any White House shake-up should “start” with Rove because of his association with the leak case.