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- Liberal opinion writer Helen Thomas, describing the Obama admin's penchant for heavily scripting public appearances & press conferences - 7/1/09
50 babies a year are alive after abortion
Read this and weep. I literally did:
A GOVERNMENT agency is launching an inquiry into doctors’ reports that up to 50 babies a year are born alive after botched National Health Service abortions.
The investigation, by the Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health (CEMACH), comes amid growing unease among clinicians over a legal ambiguity that could see them being charged with infanticide.
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, which regulates methods of abortion, has also mounted its own investigation.
Its guidelines say that babies aborted after more than 21 weeks and six days of gestation should have their hearts stopped by an injection of potassium chloride before being delivered. In practice, few doctors are willing or able to perform the delicate procedure.
For the abortion of younger foetuses, labour is induced by drugs in the expectation that the infant will not survive the birth process. Guidelines say that doctors should ensure that the drugs they use prevent such babies being alive at birth.
In practice, according to Stuart Campbell, former professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at St George’s hospital, London, a number do survive.
“They can be born breathing and crying at 19 weeks’ gestation” he said. “I am not anti-abortion, but as far as I am concerned this is sub-standard medicine.”
The number of terminations carried out in the 18th week of pregnancy or later has risen from 5,166 in 1994 to 7,432 last year. Prenatal diagnosis for conditions such as Down’s syndrome is increasing and foetuses with the condition are routinely aborted, even though many might be capable of leading fulfilling lives. In the past decade, doctors’ skill in saving the lives of premature babies has improved radically: at least 70%-80% of babies in their 23rd or 24th week of gestation now survive long-term.
Abortion on demand is allowed in Britain up to 24 weeks — more than halfway through a normal pregnancy and the highest legal limit for such terminations in Europe. France and Germany permit “social” abortions only up to the 10th and 12th weeks respectively.
There’s so much to be sad about after reading that article that I hardly know where to begin.
Hat tip to Stoo and Toad for the link.
Update: Read more via Charmaine Yoest.
Related Toldjah So post:
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Sanity,
steve is just mad because we don’t subscribe to the Gospel of steve.
Baklava,
Nods, wasn’t trying to jump you…lol
Just thought, even if we look at this from a Scientific point of when life begins, when blood and heartbeats, people would be suprised at how soon that is.
Plus thought the link may help with some Myth vs Facts on the subject.
Steve, for others, Christian does not mean holier-than-thou-art attitude. Everyone is a sinner, (not trying to preach), but if we follow the bible, it gives us what we need ot live our lives. Picking and choosing which Commandments to follow does not make you a good Christian, or quoting them out of context either.
As I stated earlier, an eye-for-an-eye has been a punishment from early in our history, given through the bible, and enacted by man. If in this act of punishment to the offending party, whether it be eye-for-an-eye, tooth-for-a-tooth, or life-for-a-life, and have been found that you are wrong in your enactment of punishment, you will have God to answer to.
Again, not trying to preach, but this has been part of our histroy and to compare the killing of innocents (unborn children) to the death penalty of convited murderers of hienous crimes just puts to much of a gap between logic and idiocy.
You can state no murder, no killing as much as you like, but there is and always has been in the Bible a background on it for those who murder.
I will research more into this if you need, but I suggest you look yourself. Laziness is not a virtue, but if in your search you need help, all you need do is but ask, I and many others would gladly light your way with understanding.
And yes, that is a genuine offer.
~sanity
there is so little left in the world.
steve, you have been demonstrating that you believe you are morally superior to anyone here. You are both the poser and the joke. You believe that it was more peaceful when Saddam killed his own people, and raped and pillaged his neighbors.
Just imposing peace on earth my friend. It’s what’s you want too right?
Steve,
You may wish to keep on topic instead of going off on the rant of everything Bush. This article, as far as I could tell, has NOTHING to do with the Bush administration.
~sanity
there is so little left in the world.
Sanity — thanks for pointing that out. I had missed it the first time around. steve has alread been warned about this. His post was deleted.
Time for a posting break steve.
Not exactly on topic, but I made an error in my previous post and would like to correct it. I para-quoted my mother as saying:
She sent me an email correcting me and clarifying her position:
You can see that she is eruditer than me
Baklava,
Abortion is not murder. Just because you say it is doesn’t make it so.
According to the World Health Organization, 68,000 women die a result of complications of unsafe abortion and between two million and seven million women each year survive unsafe abortion, but sustain long-term damage or disease (incomplete abortion, infection (sepsis), hemorrhage and injury to the internal organs, such as puncturing or tearing of the uterus).(IPAS).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortions
Is 68,000 deaths from unsafe abortions not enough for you? How many more deaths would you like to see?
The fact is that in countries with the lowest abortions rates, abortions are safe and legal, while in many countries with the highest abortion rates, abortions are illegal. In Columbia, women can be imprisoned for up to four and a half years for having abortions even in cases of rape or when their lives are at risk.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/06/22/colomb11202.htm
With a population of approximately 41 million people, it is estimated that approximately 450,000 abortions occur every year in Colombia. This would be equivalent to the United States having approximately 3 million abortions each year.
It seems that based on the policies that many of them support, most anti-abortionists are more interested in punishing people responsible for abortions rather than preventing them in the first place.
Brian,
you may want to rethink using wikipedia as a source since any activist can put any amount of propaganda in the definitions, and they have especially from your side of the aisle.
Brian,
Your wrong.
You wouldn’t be standing here today if your mother decided to murder you.
If we were to do the same thing to someone in a coma lets just say, there would be massive outcry of murder.
Partial-birth abortion also is murder. I will give you links to pictures of partial birth abortions and let you decide for yourself. It is an absolutely disgusting how LIFE has been denegrated to its lowest denominator.
The only way to end this debate would be for once and for all, have a consensus of when life begins.
Sighs
This whole topic makes my head hurt and heart ache. I cannot look at my children (ages 1.5 and 3) and even think of that possibility, to even think of them not being there. They are LIFE, they didn’t suddenly come into being as soon as they left the womb.
Re-reading some of what you posted brian, I have to wonder, when do we base how we write our laws and live our lives according to other countries?
Some countries have a culture of chopping of hands or stoning a person to death also. Just becasue it may seem like a good idea for thier culture and country does not make it good for ours.
Does the US have a moral superiority, maybe in some extent we do feel that way, but I don’t think we do. But what country has more immigration and foriegn individuals flocking to it every day? For everyones bashing and hating of the US, they either one, do it from WITHIN the US (the place the hate so much), or they are trying to get into the US to enjoy the freedoms that the US enjoys.
Btw, just because YOU say abortion is not murder does not make it not so also.
Brian, I didn’t say abortion was murder. You wrote, Just because you say it is doesn’t make it so
Please refrain from lying about what I wrote. Your inaccurate accusations is a pattern but when you do it about what I say there is no point in engaging with you.
I simply changed the words in your post by replacing abortion with murder to make a point which was LOST on you.
1) Do you see the point now?
2) Do you see the question that was asked of you of which week of life you would support a law like France and Germany’s and can you come to some middle ground (where France and Germany went to at least) and support no social abortions past the 10th or 12th week?
By the way, abortion IS a termination of a life.
While I didn’t call it murder as you incorrectly accused me of… I’m not sure why you went on that tangent except maybe to divert attention and not have to answer whether you’d support a ban on social abortions after the 10th or 12th week like France and Germany?
Baklava,
Your comment, “Anti-murderists are unable to understand that making murder illegal doesn’t stop people from murdering”, gave me the impression you were equating abortion with murder. I wasn’t lying about what you said. I misunderstood you. Making murder illegal does stop many people from murdering. There is no evidence that making abortion illegal stops women from having abortions. In the countries with the lowest abortion rates, abortions are safe and legal. In countries with the highest abortion rates abortion is illegal.
Making social abortions illegal past the 12th week won’t stop women from having abortions past the 12th week. It seems the whole anti-abortion movement is about punishing people involved with abortions rather than preventing them from taking place.
So legality is now the question?
So lets make everything legal since someone is bound to break the law even if it’s illegal.
Cocaine=legal
Murder=legal
What difference does laws make?
Laws and rules are what keep us from becoming some backwater country where anarchy is the only constant.
There will always be some kind of abortion, even if it is made illegal, just the same as there are other crimes committed even if the act is illegal. That is why we have a criminal justice system. To determine if the law has been broken and punish those who break the law.
And before people begin to say your punishing those in medical need or the life of the mother is in danger, those should be determined on a case by case basis. Because it is WELL KNOWN, that most abortions are for convienence (don’t want to interupt thier life style, they don’t want a baby but got pregnant anyways by accident, will cause them hardship for college, wont get the job they want…ect) and not even most are for life threatening of the mother.
Sanity,
Making cocaine and murder illegal prevents many people from committing murders or using cocaine. There is no evidence that making abortion illegal will prevent anyone from having an abortion. The fact is that in the countries with the lowest abortion rates, abortions are safe and legal while in many countries with the highest abortion rates, abortions are against the law.
oh, yeah, and not trying to be rude, but Brian, I think that abortion is murder, because, You have a direct blood stream going into you, as you are in your mothers uterous, and when you kill that, then you have just cut off the blood stream going into that poor, litle innocent baby, so therefore, in conclusion, abortion is murder.
Please write back on waht you think about this, thanks, Josh.