Sister Toldjah!
3/17/2006 - 9:09 am

(*for those who have already ready this, please scroll down to read a clarification I made later in this post regarding polygamy*)

Katherine Kersten writes a spot-on piece about what legalizing gay marriage will eventually lead to on down the line: legalization of polygamy. She opines:

The Minnesota Legislature is considering proposing a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Many opponents claim that definition is antiquated and discriminatory. A committed relationship should be the only criterion for marriage, they say.

But wait. What if a person loves two people, or three or more? If “one man-one woman” is a discriminatory limitation on the choice of a life partner, on what grounds can the state logically restrict marriage to two people? The fact is, once you adopt same-sex marriage — legally changing the standard for marriage from one-man, one-woman to a “committed relationship” — there is no principled way to prevent its extension to polygamy or other forms of “plural marriage” or partnership.

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Did you catch HBO’s new prime-time series, “Big Love,” which premiered Sunday? It’s about a Utah man married to three wives.

The creators of “Big Love” are a gay couple, Mark Olsen and Will Scheffer, who say that the same-sex marriage debate spurred their interest in the topic.

They seek to normalize polygamy by treating it in a “non-judgmental” way.

“It’s everything that every family faces, just times three,” Olsen told Newsweek. “We’d like them to be America’s next great family,” Scheffer told the New York Times.

“Big Love” is just a TV show, you say? But cultural expression can pack a powerful wallop - witness the much ballyhooed bid by “Brokeback Mountain” to normalize same-sex attraction. Influential voices are already calling for allowing polygamy. Last week, New York Times libertarian columnist John Tierney endorsed itslegalization in a column titled “Who’s afraid of polygamy?”

Acceptance of polygamy might already be on the horizon in Canada, which recently recognized same-sex marriage. In January a Canadian Justice Department report called for the decriminalization and regulation of polygamy, and warned the nation to prepare for a court challenge to two-person marriage. In a 2003 survey, 20 percent of Canadians said they are willing to accept polygamy.

Here in America, professors at elite law schools such as Yale and Columbia are laying the groundwork for legal recognition of committed relationships of three or more. Drawing on concepts borrowed from civil rights law, they say they aim to protect “sexual minorities” from discrimination.

Redefining marriage to include people of the same sex will open a Pandora’s box. As a New Jersey appellate court judge wrote recently, if “marriage [is] … couched only in terms of privacy, intimacy, and autonomy, then what non-arbitrary ground is there for denying the benefit to polygamous … unions whose members claim the arrangement is necessary for their self-fulfillment?”

What’s the likely endpoint? Marriage may be redefined out of existence, and replaced by a flexible, contract-based system of government-registered relationships. So get ready. Today gay marriage supporters’ mantra is, “How does my same-sex marriage harm your marriage?” Down the road it may be, “How does my marriage of two men and a woman harm your marriage?” If we don’t answer the first question with resolve — making clear that “one man-one woman” is at the heart of marriage in Minnesota — we may not have a chance to answer the second.

Charles Krauthammer is on the same page:

As Newsweek notes, these stirrings for the mainstreaming of polygamy (or, more accurately, polyamory) have their roots in the increasing legitimization of gay marriage. In an essay 10 years ago, I pointed out that it is utterly logical for polygamy rights to follow gay rights. After all, if traditional marriage is defined as the union of (1) two people of (2) opposite gender, and if, as advocates of gay marriage insist, the gender requirement is nothing but prejudice, exclusion and an arbitrary denial of one’s autonomous choices in love, then the first requirement — the number restriction (two and only two) — is a similarly arbitrary, discriminatory and indefensible denial of individual choice.

Here are some snippets from the Newsweek article he references:

Not anymore. Hammon, who’s involved in a polygamous relationship, is a founding member of the Centennial Park Action Committee, a group that lobbies for decriminalization of the practice. She’s among a new wave of polygamy activists emerging in the wake of the gay-marriage movement—just as a federal lawsuit challenging anti-polygamy laws makes its way through the courts and a new show about polygamy debuts on HBO. “Polygamy rights is the next civil-rights battle,” says Mark Henkel, who, as founder of the Christian evangelical polygamy organization TruthBearer.org, is at the forefront of the movement. His argument: if Heather can have two mommies, she should also be able to have two mommies and a daddy. Henkel and Hammon have been joined by other activist groups like Principle Voices, a Utah-based group run by wives from polygamous marriages. Activists point to Canada, where, in January, a report commissioned by the Justice Department recommended decriminalizing polygamy.

There’s a sound legal argument for making the controversial practice legal, says Brian Barnard, the lawyer for a Utah couple, identified in court documents only as G. Lee Cooke and D. Cooke, who filed suit after being denied a marriage license for an additional wife. Though the case was struck down by a federal court last year, it’s now being considered by the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, and Barnard plans to use the same argument—that Lawrence v. Texas, the 2003 sodomy case in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that individuals have “the full right to engage in private conduct without government intervention,” should also apply to polygamous relationships.

And there you have it.

I wrote about the slippery slope of redefining marriage back in July 2005, echoing similar points as Kersten and Krauthammer.

The Pandora’s box has been opened. Proponents of same sex marriage have long argued that legalizing gay marriage would not pave the way for legalization of polygamy. With the legalization of gay mariage in Massachusetts as well as Canada, the pro-polygamy crowd is gearing up for a battle of their own, using the Massachusetts and Canadian laws as (as well as Lawrence V. Taylor 2003) for their inspiration and ‘legal backing.’ And for those who think just because gay marriage is legal in Canada doesn’t mean it will be legal here because US law is the sole guiding force behind court rulings, think again.

Bottom line: Once you start redefining marriage, you can’t stop. Don’t let they gay marriage proponents’ arguments that you are a “bigot” for being against the redefinition of marriage deter you. Bigotry denotes intolerance for other groups outside of your own. Being desirous of keeping the definition of marriage as being that of the union between one man and one woman is not “intolerance for other groups.” Gay couples and polygamous families [Edited to add the following clarification: My wording on this was poor - I don’t support polygamy. What I should have said was “groups” of people involved in polygamous-like relationships (one “boyfriend and several girlfriends” or the opposite) can do what they want in the privacy of their own homes as long as they aren’t breaking the law. — ST] can do what they want to do - just don’t ask the state to legally recognize it … and don’t ask me to “accept” it. I’ll be tolerant about it, but I won’t accept (read: be ok with) it.

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    From Jarhead in Iraq: No One left Behind.

    Maybe the main Stream media is starting to get it.

    Not only is the TSA slow but it is also incompetent.

    legalizing gay marriage equals legalization of polygamy? Polygamy is wrong but I dont think it shou

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Comments
  1. The whole idea behind defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman in a monogamous relationship is the propagation of the human species. This union would then have offspring and this group is known as a family unit and has worked very well long before Christ was born. Parents would stay together because of a commitment to each other in front of God (Until Death do us part) and for the sake of their children’s wellbeing (Putting others needs before you). The moral decay of marriage started in the 60s when it started to be morally accepted for women to have children out of wedlock and the divorce rate increased. Then the feminist movement saying that women did not need a man to help raise a child or children that a single mother could play both mother and father roles in there redefined family unit. We can now see what this liberal thinking has done as one study put it, “The dissolution of the family is one of the major factors at the roots of violence in our homes and neighborhoods”. Now to even degrade the meaning of marriage even more gays want to be seen as the same as a male-female marriage. Could you imagine a city any city where the only population is only gay couples how many children would be there ruling out adoption and artificial insemination. Gays say that by not allowing them to marry is discrimination because Adam wants to marry Steve not Eve this overlooks one of the main reasons for marriage “Reproduction of the Human race”. The sanctity of marriage needs to be preserved as it is or we will continue to get closer to the drain as we are circling the toilet of liberal ideas.
    :-w

    Comment by Jim M @ 3/17/2006 - 12:44 pm


  2. When you say that you are tolerant of polygamous marriage, does that mean that you agree that it should be decriminalized?

    Other than emotional arguments, what would be the practical negatives of polygamy - or even polyandry? Granted, knowing the genetic ancestry of a child is important, for legal, medical, and emotional reasons (although the last may be cultural), but DNA testing could resolve any questions.

    I would like to see a serious discussion of this issue, although I personally am not married, and am at too advanced of an age to consider marriage. This site is too intelligent to pander to preconceptions.

    Comment by great unknown @ 3/17/2006 - 1:09 pm


  3. I don’t believe in Polygamy unless you can afford to pay child support and alimony for each wife.

    /:)

    Comment by sanity @ 3/17/2006 - 1:31 pm


  4. great unknown: please see my clarification noted in my post … my wording was poor. I don’ support polygamy.

    Comment by Sister Toldjah @ 3/17/2006 - 1:33 pm


  5. Thanks for the clarification. Now, to the chase: why don’t you support polygamy?

    Comment by great unknown @ 3/17/2006 - 2:46 pm


  6. What if there was no marriage or everyone was married to everyone else? The definition of marriage should not contain an ownership clause, like a car or a house. In a giant community where everyone cares about everyone else marriage would be redundant. Someday. Peace

    Comment by steve @ 3/17/2006 - 2:57 pm


  7. Polygamy?

    Why would I want multiple mother in laws?

    ;)

    Comment by Karl @ 3/17/2006 - 6:00 pm


  8. steve, what if the moon was a flat giant pizza and everyone cared about everyone’s piece and no one owned the pizzaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh. l-) You just can’t eat it from your planet.

    What ownership clause would you be hallucinating about now?

    Comment by forest hunter @ 3/17/2006 - 7:22 pm


  9. Edited insult. –ST

    Comment by steve @ 3/17/2006 - 7:46 pm


  10. Yeah, but it was a good one. Peace

    Comment by steve @ 3/17/2006 - 8:59 pm


  11. - This is the goal of moral equivalency and relativism. You start out making a few normally abberent activities “cool”, widely accepted, and morally nuetral, and then you keep adding to the list. Eventually you get to the point where everyone can do whatever they want with immunity.

    - For instance in Steves world I could beat the crap out of him and get off in court when I claimed I had an abusive childhood and Steve just needs to be more “sensitive”, understanding, and feel “my pain”.

    - His pain isn’t important in the “Me” generation. I’m the victim of any number of “causes”, including a repressive society. Of course the Liberals scatter like cockroaches when the stupid ideas they go around spouting come home to roost in their own back yards.

    - Bang **==

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter @ 3/17/2006 - 10:12 pm


  12. If our self-declared moral and intellectual betters in the Democratic party and the MSM want to legalize polygamy, let them go ahead. Just give each wife and child in a polygamist marriage a deduction at tax time. And be sure to shriek “DISCRIMINATION!” at the top of your lungs if our Leftist overlords balk at the idea of tax breaks for all those extra wives and kiddies.

    Tax breaks - the one thing the Far Left hates more than Bushitler. How fascist! How racist! How environmentally destructive! How anti-choice! How…how… REPUBLICAN!!!!!

    :((

    Comment by Mwalimu Daudi @ 3/17/2006 - 10:42 pm


  13. Republicans and Democrats are like two peas in a pod. They made a pact back in the early 70’s to help each other rule the world. That’s why we now have rulers and regulators coming out the ying yang.

    As for what constitutes faith and values, well, I came from a place that preached it like a bible, but now, I don’t really care who or what an adult wants to marry. As far as I’m concerned, government should get out of the marriage business altogether :-w:d

    Comment by Pip @ 3/19/2006 - 5:40 pm


  14. Also, if men are ever to be allowed to have as many wives as they want, women should be allowed to have as many husbands.:-?:)>-:))**==

    Comment by Pip @ 3/22/2006 - 10:14 am


  15. Rampant polygamy, coupled with repressive sexual mores that make pre-marital sex a death sentence, at least for the female, go a long long way towards explaining a lot of what is wrong with Islamic societies. Put young, oversexed males in a society where there is little or no sexual safety valve or outlet, no chance of getting married if you are young and unemployed (which a lot are), where there is a shortage of females because some filthy old sheik with tons of loot has a dozen (or even the “approved” three), then tell them they get to tumble 72 fresh young virgins if they martyr themselves, and you get generations willing to be suicide bombers.

    Yeah, that works really well…8-|

    Comment by Severian @ 3/22/2006 - 10:28 am


  16. There is all kinds of ways to look at it I suppose. However, that is not what I had in mind. My opinion is more in line with the USA’s Constitution than any other. That’s the stuff our founding fathers spoke of. After they died, President’s came along and changed the Constitution like you would a diaper on a baby. It’s so sad!

    Comment by Pip @ 3/23/2006 - 11:43 am


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