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Duke lacrosse rape case updates
Two Duke lacrosse players were charged today with degree forcible rape, first degree sexual offense and kidnapping and have been taken into custody. The DA is seeking charges on a third once a ‘positive ID’ can be made on the third suspect:
More than a month after a woman told police she was raped at Duke University lacrosse party, two players, Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, were charged with first degree forcible rape, first degree sexual offense and kidnapping, according to George Naylor, director of the Durham County Jail.
Bond was set for each player at $400,000, Naylor said.
District attorney Mike Nifong did not speak publicly about the arrests, but he issued a written statement.
“It had been my hope to be able to charge all three of the assailants at the same time, but the evidence available to me at this moment does not permit that. The investigation into the identity of the third assailant will continue in the hope that he can also be identified with certainty. It is important that we bring the assailant to justice but also that we lift the cloud of suspicion from those team members who were not involved in the assault,” the statement said.
Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., emerged from a sheriff’s deputy vehicle and were led, handcuffed, into the magistrate’s office at 4:54 a.m. today.
(General curiosity question: what’s up with calling it “forcible rape”? Isn’t rape, by its very definition, forced sex against a woman’s will?)
ABC11TV out of the Raleigh-Durham area has examined time-stamped photos which were allegedly taken inside at the Duke lacrosse party in question:
The photos are believed to be authentic and taken by one of the students at the March 13 party. The time stamps on the photos appear to be accurate. Pictures of a wristwatch magnified for clarity correspond with the time on the photos. The players are sitting on three couches in a semicircle with the dancers in the middle.
11:02 p.m.: The first picture shows at least 10 students hanging out in a living room, apparently waiting for the dancers to arrive. Most of the students appear to be drinking. By the number of people in this photo, it appears only a fraction of the 47 lacrosse team members are there.
12 a.m.: This is the first picture of the strippers. Students are watching the show, but not grabbing or attempting to touch the women. Bruises are clearly visible on the legs and thighs of the alleged victim.
12:00:40 a.m.: Another picture taken 40 seconds later shows bruises on the accuser’s knees. Her right knee appears to have an open cut.
12:03:57 p.m.: About four minutes after arriving, a picture shows the strippers leaving the room. The photo clearly shows that the alleged victim left behind one of her shoes.
Between 12:10 a.m. and 12:30 a.m.: No photos were taken between this time.
12:30:12 a.m.: The next photo shows the alleged victim on the back porch, carrying what appears to be her purse and a makeup bag. Her clothes are intact.
12:30:47 a.m.: A photo taken 30 seconds later shows the alleged victim on the porch and she appears to smile.
12:31:26 a.m.: But 30 seconds after that, a photo shows the alleged victim stumbling down the back steps of the house.
12:37:58 a.m.: A series of photos are taken, all showing the woman lying on her left side on the back porch, seemingly passed out or asleep. She had visible cuts on her legs and buttocks that did not appear in the previous photos.
The cuts may be from falling. The cuts on her buttocks line up with the edge of a screen door she may have hit on the way down.
12:41 a.m.: The final photo shows the accuser and the second dancer in a black car. The accuser is in the passengers seat.
Many of the photos taken on the back porch show pink splotches, which the defense says is undried nail polish. They claim the accuser was polishing her nails in the bathroom between 12:10 a.m. and 12:30 a.m. – - not being raped.
Hat tip: La Shawn Barber, who has tons of updates on this story.
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The charge of ‘forcible rape’ is necessary legal jargon and is meant to distinguish the conduct from statutory rape- a case where both parties consent but one is legally too young – a 21 year old man having ‘consensual sex’ with a 10 year old girl.
As with every case that is tried in front of the public in the MSM, there will be much more material presented to the public than to the jury that will be expected to determine guilt. (I am still waiting to find out what was in that envelope OJ’s lawyers paraded before the media).
A rape is a very terrible thing and if it can be shown that one actually occurred during this party, the guilty should be punished.
But I don’t think I am the only one who finds something very, VERY suspicious here.
Again, I am showing my age, but I was in New York when the Tawanna Brawley hoax was perpetrated by the “Rev.” Al Sharpton.
Tawanna accused white police officers of abusing her when instead she was playing around with her boyfriend and made up the story so her mother wouldn’t get mad.
The lives of the police officers were ruined by Sharpton and company.
Mike’s America: Did you see/hear Sharpton on Oreilly today?
forest, what did he say? I guess the transcript for Tuesday’s show won’t be posted at Fox til Wednesday
A blackout to help the white manhunt?
I think the right in general is saying the same thing they say in all cases. Let’s look at the evidence. Cut down on the hysteria.
If the topic is this case, global warming, whether the president broke the law, you see the left jumping, working themselves into a frenze, not looking at all the evidence and debating in a reasonable manner.
Yes. I’m generalizing.
I think why this case has become so public is all of the adverse affects on these boys when there is ZERO DNA evidence. The Lacrosse season is done. The boys in the house had to move weeks ago because of people banging pots and pans outside their house and their pictures have been posted everywhere on campus with all sorts of language on those pictures.
The idea would be to let the justice system do it’s job but there are people that wanted to believe her and convict without a trial.
Not to pick nits, but I think “forceable” rape would be a case in which the victim was aware and resisting. As opposed to sexually assaulting someone who was, for example, passed out or unconscious or otherwise unable to resist.
Forceable rape?
there is alot of questions that are not being answered in this whole thing. It looks like they are more interested in bagging someone, anyone, that doing a complete investigation.
No DNA match at all.
And now this:
ABC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Key Evidence Supports Alibi in Potential Rape Defense for One Indicted Duke Player.
Link
ATM reciept timestamp, witnesses, including a cab driver who remembered them and where he drove them, fast food place…ect.
The defense seems to have quite a bit of evidence in support of thier clients innocents, where isthe prosecutors? On what did the prosecutor base his indictment?
So far the evidence seems pretty damning to the prosecutor, not the boys.
Interesting article/commentary may be found at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192206,00.html
This has the feel of a political witch hunt. A reasonable and ethical DA would have kept his mouth shut and just investigated and prosecuted if required, not grandstand in front of the cameras and make a defacto decision that the accuser is right and the defendants are already guilty. This has all the earmarks of pandering to race baiters and local malcontents. One thing is certain, justice is the first casualty of this kind of affair. As soon as the race baiting demagogs get involved, it just turns into a circus/lynch mob. Truth and guilt are irrelevant.
There’s no way of telling what went on at this time, but the search for the truth is being ill served.
How about these two wealthy boneheads don’t put themselves into this position in the first place? And how about the catholic kid having been arrested in the past, for gay-bashing? How about the fact that the wealthy think they aren’t us, and our laws are not their laws? I have yet to form an opinion, I do not yet know enough for my opinion to be informed. Peace
What is with the “black car” thing?
Shouldn’t it be “African American car”?
I wonder why the Reverends have said nothing about this insensitivity.
How about these two wealthy boneheads don’t put themselves into this position in the first place?
How about there is nothing wrong with going to a party, and they left BEFORE the actual incident was stated to have happened.
Are you jealous of their welath or something? That is hte only reason why I can think you would put in ‘two wealthy boneheads’ as your statement, as if being of a certain class makes a big difference in in proof of innocence.
Is she gay?
I do not know anything about the kid being arrested in the past for something illegal, but if he got arrested and paid his due for his crime, then shouldn’t you be all about forgiveness steve?
I am not sure how his past crime should be a factor in whether or not his alibi checks out. If he has proof that he is innocent, what difference does it make what he did in the past if he has already paid for it?
How about the fact that the wealthy think they aren’t us, and our laws are not their laws?
Ah there we have the root of it, jealousy.
So much of the class warfare that the Democrats constantly push, us aginst them. That it is a crime or should be to have money or lots of it.
Well, I hope you pay attention to how many millionaires there are in both parties, and I said BOTH parties. Democrats have just as many rich, millionaire senators and congressman in their ranks as the republicans do. Just thought I should remind you of that fact.
I have yet to form an opinion, I do not yet know enough for my opinion to be informed.
For someone who says he hasn’t formed an opinion it sure seems like you have.
You did not mention anything about whether they are innocent or whther what they have is valid arguements for innocents.
What you did mention is everything negative, or pointing to things you look as reasons for being punished. Being in the wrong place, having money, being in a different economic class than you….ect
Somehow I do not believe that you have not formed an opinion, because your post seem to contradict your last statement.
*sighs*
Wish I had the ability to edit, bolded the wrong section lol
Sanity, which one did you want bolded? I’ll fix it for you. –ST
sanity, I’m a religious anarchist, not a Democrat. And if you believe that you can climb inside my head and understand whats going on in their, have at it. I make no apology for demanding that all income in excess of $100,000, be taxed at a rate of 100%. That won’t get teachers paid what their worth, but it will cut into the TV talking heads and pro-jocks, spending money. Peace
That would be ridiculous and would satisfy nobody but people’s hate. If you tax income over $100,000 nobody would make over $100,00 or exert themselves or take the risks necessary to earn over $100,000. The economy would tank causing misery, blood, pain, death and that my economic illiterate co-blogger is what I’ve tried to explain repeatedly to you. You fail reading comprehension and I’m not attacking you. I’m simply pointing out the fallacy of your arguments and failure to understand simnple economics. Andrew and GBA at least worked harder at it.
What would happen to revenues into the government in this time of need for people (due to economic depression)? Revenues would drop. The government wouldn’t be able to serve the additional needs due to the economic depression going on. Your solution would do the OPPOSITE of what you “feel” you want.
Liberalism is a disease because it inhibits your mind from understanding past your “feelings”. I’ve been there. I know. It’d be just fine for the government to tax richer people at a higher rate but it does so ALREADY. The top 50% of income earners pay over 96% of the income tax. This does not count social security and state taxes but the point is made. You cannot make the income tax system any more progressive.
Is she gay?
I do not know anything about the kid being arrested in the past for something illegal, but if he got arrested and paid his due for his crime, then shouldn’t you be all about forgiveness steve?
I am not sure how his past crime should be a factor in whether or not his alibi checks out. If he has proof that he is innocent, what difference does it make what he did in the past if he has already paid for it?
How about the fact that the wealthy think they aren’t us, and our laws are not their laws?
bolded part of was to be bolded, think i bolded to big of a section by the way it seems. It was to bold only what the other person wrote and non-bold was to be my repsonse.
*chuckling*
Not even a whle day went by…read that and it was a quick chuckle. Can’t even go one day can you steve lol.
And if you believe that you can climb inside my head and understand whats going on in their, have at it.
We do not pretend to even want to climb in your head steve. We do however respond to what you post, and unless you post what you do not believe, it gives a picture of you whether you believe it or not.
Is she gay?
I do not know anything about the kid being arrested in the past for something illegal, but if he got arrested and paid his due for his crime, then shouldn’t you be all about forgiveness steve?
I am not sure how his past crime should be a factor in whether or not his alibi checks out. If he has proof that he is innocent, what difference does it make what he did in the past if he has already paid for it?
How about the fact that the wealthy think they aren’t us, and our laws are not their laws?
bolded part of was to be bolded, think i bolded to big of a section by the way it seems. It was to bold only what the other person wrote and non-bold was to be my repsonse.
sanity, I’m a religious anarchist, not a Democrat.
*chuckling*
Not even a whle day went by…read that and it was a quick chuckle. Can’t even go one day can you steve lol.
And if you believe that you can climb inside my head and understand whats going on in their, have at it.
We do not pretend to even want to climb in your head steve. We do however respond to what you post, and unless you post what you do not believe, it gives a picture of you whether you believe it or not.
Added: Sighs, need to quit typing so fast.
I found what I did ST, letting shift go to fast before the > is typed in and it comes up as . instead, so it screws up the html coding for bold.
I will be more aware of it now that I know what I man dong wrong..lol
- Steve is simply lementing the demise and scuttling of the Communist system. He can’t steal thier hard earned property from other people without going to jail, so like all Utopists, he wants the government to do it for him.
- Communes, whose basic premise is always wrapped around the Communist/Marxist doctrine, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”, is unworkable, as has been shown over and over in history countless times. These communes always start out with lofty ideals, but within a year or two, it occurs to the 5 or 10% of the group, who are doing all the work, that the rest are basically sitting on their asses, and that its a typical “collectivistic” scam, and the whole thing comes crashing down.
- The average person works very hard for what he or she has. Even most of the wealthiest have to do something for the money. In many cases their wealth supports companies that give jobs to millions of people. As Baklava said, start screwing around with that system, and many many people would immediately suffer, as would our economy and our country.
- The only thing more rediculous than the idea that a handfull of people are going to gladly labor long and hard for the rest of the slackers, is the fact that some people, hoping to somehow avoid hard work, will keep trying to talk others into these dumb-ass Utopian idiocies. What actually happens in real life is the lofty ideal turns into “From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his sloth”.
- Maybe 10,000 years from now, when technology has advanced enough, everyone in society will be able to put food on the table just using their Atomic Mr. Cook-it, and some dirt and grass.
- Till then there is no free lunch, but some people just hate the idea that they can’t find an easy way around the fact that life is hard, they can’t/won’t cope with reality. To be pitied, not argued with, since they have no touch with that reality.
- And Steve. Based on your last post, in which for the upteenth time you managed to mention death yet again, I’ll take that as a “No, I can’t post something without death in it”. For a person who has pronounced his love of peace over and over, I don’t think I’ve seen posts filled with more hateful, biggoted, death filled comments from anyone. I think you’re a phoney, driven by deep personal issues you don’t cover up very well.
- If I were your neighbor I’d keep a close watch on you 24/7 for everyones safety.
- Bang
Sorry ST. I went awol for a bit and drug a couple of my kids with me to the beach for some clean air and clams. Did you get the info from FOX, that you sought earlier?
I haven’t checked yet forest but thanks for the reminder
ST: In the first place it’s Sharpton, a half-step from that other big mouth grabbing some more face time with the DDAR (Dancing, Drunken, Alleged, Rapee), by buying her a college education. As O was trying to point out to (la la la la la-I can’t HEAR you!) Al, some of what recent history by accusers in rape cases that weren’t, the sidestep two step dance would’ve made Jacksons new dancing queen jealous.
As I said before, I wish the rush to judgement by all the “wonder if’s”, could hold their water and allow the chips to fall where they will. Endless speculative opinions in the case of news agencies drive me nuts.
I honestly do not know what happened here. There are things that seem fishy to me on both sides. I am not wealthy but I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s noticed that these two guys who were arrested are, which makes them targets. However on the other hand. who is the person standing around taking pictures? Why is he taking pictures? He seemed to take pictures every 3-6 minutes during the rest of the time the strippers were there except for 12:10- 12:30. If the girl was “passed out” on the stairs with additional cuts and bruises why was he taking “a series of photos” of her lying there. He’d taken a picture of her stumbling so if she fell he must have seen her fall. Why not help her? There’s a lot about this case that just doesn’t add up. Also if the guy has proof of ATM receipts that places him at an ATM. Then why not also produce the film. ATMs record the people that utilize them. I just don’t know. Hopefully the truth will come out.
Angel, private citizens can’t subpoena ATM films. The DA would have to do it, and he’s not likely to as he’s trying to hang these kids.
Facts: nails were recovered and no DNA were found under the nails; no scratches were found anywhere on any of the boys. No scratch marks were found anywhere on any of the boys’ bodies.
Fact:
• No vaginal or seminal fluid, no skin, blood, or hair were found anywhere in the bathroom, bath towels, bath rug, door handle, bathroom floor, basin, water faucet handle, etc.
• A man cannot take off a condom and not get DNA from himself or the female on his hands and not transfer it to everything he touches?
• Accuser claims she was vaginally penetrated; accuser claims she was panicked and thought she was going to die; Where is her vaginal fluid, urine, or blood anywhere in the bathroom? Does her body defy basic physiology capable of keeping any ejaculate from spilling out?
• Accuser claims she was anally penetrated; Where’s her fecal material or scat smears in the bathroom? Does the accuser have inhuman anal sphinter control that prevented any of the ejaculate from dripping out?
• Accuser claims she was orally sodomized; where is DNA from her saliva and tears? Did she lick up every drop and swallowed any evidence?
Fact: Time-stamped photos prove stripper arrived bruised and cut while drunk.
If no DNA material were present on the stripper, than why were DNA samples taken? The District Attorney vigorously claimed that these DNA evidence will clear the innocent.
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he second stripper stated that she didn’t notice any rape, and when they got back in the car the “accuser” didn’t mention anything about being rape.
Finally, don’t forget the three boys who lived in the house agreed to be questioned by the police for over six hours, and volunteered to a lie detector test.
When the boys were told to surrender DNA samples, none called their parents r tried to block the order, they complied because they new the “stripper” was lying. These are not the actions of guilty boys, but Nifong claimed that they were all covering up for each other and will charge each of them with aiding and abetting because the only information they had is that no rape occurred.
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:21 PM
To: Ronn Torossian
Subject: duke lacrosse scandal
Hi!
My name is Kim
and I am involved in the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Although I am no celebrity and just an average citizen, I’ve found myself in the center of one of the biggest stories in the country. I’m worried about letting this opportunity pass me by without making the best of it and was wondering if you had any advice as to how to spin this to my advantage. I am determined not to let any negative publicity about my life overtake me. I’m so confused as to who to talk to for relevant advice and I hope that you can return my e-mail. If you cannot help, do you know of any names and numbers I can call?
Thanks for your time,
Kim Roberts
Stripper, Model, Escort, Witness
Media hungry District Attorney Mike Nifong
stated he is positive a rape has occurred, but he isn’t sure if it’s by the members of the lacrosse team, yet he obtained an order to get DNA samples from only the members of the team, then he stated on a national news program that the lacrosse team has a “rowdy” reputation on campus – obviously playing up to sexist stereotyping of jocks to further play his case for the media. As Nifong continues to publicly massacre the characters out his case for public consumption, he claims that the team is “stonewalling the investigation” because they claim not to have any knowledge of what transpired, but is Nifong now believing the men to be telling the truth as he recently changed his tune stating that even if the DNA evidence clears these boys that he’ll have other evidence.
The boys are being tried in the national media before there is any charge are made. Nifong stated that someone else could have assaulted the 27 year old stripper, yet he publicly damned the men’s lacrosse team and only the men’s lacrosse team as gang rapist, and still not knowing whether or not the “alleged victim” was telling the truth, or if the three men sought are on the team, Nifong claims the team is stonewalling to protect its own.
Nifong proclaimed in the national media that the DNA sweep of 46 boys would find the guilty and clear the innocent. DNA tests prove that the boys of the lacrosse team were telling the truth, but Nifong wants to go ahead with the case only weeks before his election against a woman and a black man. There should be laws in place to prevent unscrupulous politician like District Attorney Mike Nifong from bulldozing over 47 innocent boys just to bask in the international media spot-light.
Looks like Nice guy beet me to it. But here’s an opinion piece by Kathleen Parker concerning the 2nd dancer’s email.
As a foreigner, though married to an American woman, I find the difference in commentary between this case and the Aruba disappearance to be utterly condemning of your country.
Still, no doubt our PM will be on TV shortly kissing your presidents butt.
- I take it you’d rather he be kissing that great humanitarian, Chiracs butt, huh Jon?
- Bang
Circumstances are quite different Jon, or are you one of those sensitive types who see only the fact that one girl was white and the other black, and then jumps to condemn the entire country for racism?
One involves a young woman who disappeared, and is presumed dead, under suspicious circumstances in a foreign country. The other is a case where a young woman, with a dubious record, makes many conflicting statements about what happened, has a “friend” who is obviously only interested in what she can get out of it (and has changed her story), involves a district attorney up for re-election who’s obviously more interested in trying this in the press than in a court of lay, and involves suspects some of whom have pretty substantial alibis. Oh, and also involves the victim and her supporters whipping out the race card and inflaming racial tensions before anyone even realized what or who was really involved.
The cases are not similar, and it’s telling you think they are.
Yes jon, you have to pay attention to details.
The stripper with the extensive criminal record and history of making false accusations of rape and kidnapping. In this current case, she kept changing her story. The evidense and the complete and total lack of DNA at the supposed crime scene proves it. She lied. It’s as simple as that. I hope Nifong goes after her as hard as he’s going after these innocent boys.
Jon, you better be careful. You could be accused of rape and even if totally innocent, will end up in jail only on the word of the victim as rape shield laws continue to restrict defense against these accusations. over 30 to 35% of “convicted” rapist were imprisoned for an avergae of 7 years before being found innocent via DNA testing. Currently many women’s and “vicitm’s advocates” groups are lobbying that DNA be not admissible as a defense and only as a tool to convict in many states.
Welcome to America!
District Attorney revokes all deferred plea deals with lacrosse players because they won’t jump on his band wagon that a rape occurred.
District Attorney doesn’t revoke probation of the second stripper after she changes her story from no rape occurred to a rape occurred.
District Attorney tries to intimidate the cab driver who drove the boys during the time the stripper claims a rape occurred.
Are the actions of the DA’s office more “abuse of power” or “corruption”?
Ever since every sexist and racist group descended onto Duke to publicly condemn these boys, I went into over drive trying to make people consider that these boys wouldn’t have submitted to DNA testing if they were guilty, but since the 1st DNA evidence came back, I became more persistent and met equally persistent feminist (i.e. feministing, Rachael’s Tavern, Alas a blog, Tennessee Guerrilla Women, Justice4Sisters, Hazel8500 etc…) who adamantly insist these boys are guilty for no other reason than because a “woman” (i.e. the stripper) claims it so.
I’ve noticed since then that most of feminist blogs have fallen silent as new evidence suggests that the stripper’s claim to be false.
However, just when you think this case hit rock bottom, there’s about 50 feet of crap, then you find a sub-basement where in the corner Mike Nifong is hunched over clutching this dead case like “Gulum” (movie: Lord of the Rings) clutches the “ring of power”.
A great place to view that unbiased facts is:
http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/ourcall/index.cgi?501
http://johninnorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2006/06/duke-lacrosse-newsweek-abandons.html
http://commonsensewonder.com/?p=738
I love this quote:
“If Mike Nifong doesn’t get disbarred after this, then there really is a corrupt system in Durham that protects rich white guys. In Nifong’s case – stupid rich white guys with transparent political agendas, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Nifong can turn a pig’s ear into a silk purse.”
Rape shield laws are the cause of over 50% of rape claims being false and malicious. THese boys deserve a huge settlement from the City of Durham and the state of NC – hopefully in the billions for what they went through! Their civil rights have been violated! It’s too bad that only the rich can afford justice in a rape accusation. Hopefully people will learn from this and laws will be changed.