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1. Big Bang Hunter says:

   May 16, 2006 at 5:59 pm

   - Thats “the” tragedy of this entire mess Scott. the politico’s have been playing that “gee if we can just get a handle on the problem but its soooooo complex and hard” bs game for years.

   - Theres this “bunny rabbit” image they want to maintain with the world, of how “civil” and ambivolent we are so every one will looooove us. The Carter desease. So G_d forbid we actually move to secure the borders. That would make us look like such a ugly “Super power” and all. Wheres your guilt man. Get with the program.

   - Bang
2. Scott Allan says:

   May 16, 2006 at 6:42 pm

   There will always be an excuse to hate us. I’m not sure why we care so much. Nice guys finish last. But isn’t it curious how everyone makes an effort to live here despite how awful we all are?
3. Big Bang Hunter says:

   May 16, 2006 at 7:08 pm

   Bingo…. all you can say is bingo….Untold millions are willing to die trying to get to this “hell-hole”. Just ask the moonbat brigade.

   - Bang
4. Marshall Art says:

   May 17, 2006 at 1:25 am

   Lots of great comments on this issue. Some things I’ve heard elsewhere concern me. One is that some say this is a reason they won’t vote Republican next time around. I hope no one here feels that way. On the contrary, it should inspire, motivate, or just piss people off enough to pay closer attention to who’s running for office, and more importantly, who’s running in their own states and local elections. Most in Washington were in local politics first. Seek out more conservative candidates with bigger stones (metaphorically speaking).

   Another concern is this talk of betrayal. Jeez, it sounds like a bunch of AlGores. Seems to me Bush has always been soft on this issue and even touched on it during his first term. Perhaps some Texans can relate similar tales from his time as governor. So I don’t feel betrayed, just greatly disappointed that on this issue, he’s not in tune with what I’d like to see. Impeach? Don’t be silly.

   To the issue itself, count me among those who believe we can deport them. But we won’t have to deport them all. As one person said, we know which industries are big on hiring illegals. Focus on those. What ever happened to INS raids? Get ‘em goin’ agin! Hit these industries and arrest the illegals. Impound their vehicles and perhaps other property. Heavily fine the offending companies. A painful first offense fine that really sends a message and a far greater penalty for second offense that is harsh enough to deter a third. The huge fines and money from auctioning impounded vehicles and such would finance the operation or the building of the wall or fence. Families can figure out for themselves what to do with the children they purposely had while in our country since that comes with breaking the law. If they have friends who are citizens and they’re willing to baby-sit until the illegals figure out a way to come back legally, fine with me. I have no problem with the kids being born here and having citizenship. Between being dealt with harshly and companies too fearful of punishment, there will be less incentive for illegals to make the effort.

   A couple of other things:
   *let cops seek proof of citizenship from people detained either through traffic stops or whatever, especially if the detained don’t speak English. If the cops can then find them to be illegal, all the better.
   *take away benefits that are given to illegals. The most galling I’ve heard is some state (Kalifornia?) offering in-state tuitions for college eduations. Good gosh!

   It’s true, there’s a lot of blame to pass around on this one. Any one who’s voting age gets a piece for not being more insistant with their candidates on this issue. So it may get dicey for a lot of people. That’s a bad reason to do it improperly or half-assed. The only way to truly correct or reverse the situation requires severe measures. Not immoral, just severe, as in “This is the RIGHT way, and that’s how we’ll do it, no matter what!” Then, when we see some real results, we can revisit the debate over how many LEGAL immigrants should be allowed in every year.
5. Marshall Art says:

   May 17, 2006 at 1:27 am

   As Jay Leno said, “Who says we can’t deport 11 million people? Mexico did!” (I know, I know, they’re not all Mexican!)
6. Lorica says:

   May 17, 2006 at 1:35 pm

   Actually I do think we could deport many of these folks. I think “sefl-deportation” would take place once you get started. There is not enough “underground” to hold the 15-20 million illegals, and if you pass strict enough legislation, they will take their belongings and go, instead of us confiscating their property.

   I personally would not like to see this happen tho. I do want to have compassion on these people. But there is alot of illegalities in the whole complex issue. Iowa is right now looking at passing amnesty for sex slaves for those woman/children who turn in their handlers. I don’t have a problem with that.

   We need to strenghten the border to stop the flood of illegals, and for our security. Once this happens we need to start to deal with those that are here already. Especially the criminal element. – Lorica
7. CB Howell says:

   May 17, 2006 at 3:01 pm

   Just a thought here…Why not tax them? Let them in to work any job they’d like but they have to pay a 20% FICA-like tax on top of normal state, local, and fed taxes. I’m sure a identification system can be set up so that employer’s can verify worker compliance. Then, to get employers to comply offer reductions in labor related taxes.

   Stopping these folks from coming across the border isn’t too realistic and I agree with Bak, 6000 troops is just a token gesture and as much as govn’t and big business love each other enforcement on that end doesn’t seem likely either. So why not? If the money is right for business relative to compliance why wouldn’t they do it?
8. Baklava says:

   May 17, 2006 at 5:09 pm

   CB smartly asked, “Why not tax them?”

   Yeah. Let’s do that. They’d have to admit they were here illegally and that they were using forged documents fraudulently and/or volunteer to make less money by being taxed.

   I have a neighbor who is latino that would be laughing at you at this moment. He says they don’t want citizenship. They have everything they need/want already. They receive benefits, social services, etc. They don’t want to go through the process of becoming legal (paying the thousands of dollars and going through the process)

   Unfortunately, we have to get a handle on the situation. You can’t let illegal immigration continue unfettered. It has NOTHING to do with Mexicans or latinos. It has everything to do with making sure hospitals in the south aren’t going to close up anymore, budgets are strained, NATIONAL SECURITY is attended to, crime is reduced, the environment in the area is helped.

   CB wrote with negativity, “Stopping these folks from coming across the border isn’t too realistic ”

   Well… while you sit there saying it can’t be done, we Americans with the can do spirit will get it done. There are areas that have been fenced already where crime is down, property value has come back up and what not. Are you going to say, “I give up” and let the area continue to be pummelled?
9. CB Howell says:

   May 17, 2006 at 5:35 pm

   It’s not a matter of “giving up.” It’s about being realistic. I completely agree with you relative to what this is costing us. And the attitudes that you eluded to just add insult to injury.

   I feel like I have invited the neighbors over for a gourmet home cooked dinner and afterwards they start rummaging through the cupboards for stuff to take home…or to the next house…and as they are leaving, rather than thanking us for our hospitality, the call us suckers!

   Bak, at the end of the day, there’s nothing more I would like to see happen then kicking those that deserve it out on their arses and slamming the door in their faces. But it’s not going to happen. Period. To believe it so is foolish.

   Unfortunately, the ONLY solution that insures action is one that facilitates BOTH the politicians looking good and those hiring them to continue making money.

   Right now it costs us. It needs to cost them. If the tax is right, our cost will be reduced and perhaps, it might serve as a deterrent to those who want to come here illegally.

   Really, I quite amazed this has not been discussed sooner. It wouldn’t be the first time this type of tax was used… Look at sin taxes, specifically cigarettes. Smokers take a disporportionate amount of entitlments relative to healthcare. So if they’re going to do it they’re going to have to pay a HUGE tax on smokes to offset the burden. It makes sense..doesn’t it?
10. Baklava says:

    May 18, 2006 at 2:48 am

    CB wrote, “But it’s not going to happen. Period. To believe it so is foolish.”

    It may not. But we don’t need to see defeatist rhetoric helping it not happen.

    I believe a groundswell of Americans WANT the 11 – 12 million illegal immigrants PROCESSED in SOME FASHION so that we know WHO is here. To become legal they need to pay the FINES, and jump through the hurdles and be prosecuted for committing fraud if they had fraudulent papers that got them work and whatnot.

    Additionally, laws like the prop 187 that was supposed to deny benefits to illegal immigrants need to be considered. Instead states are offering in-state tuitions to illegal immigrants!!!!!!!!!!

    It’s backwards from how it should be.

    It’d be like library patrons stealing the books instead of checking them out and then us offering them something to eat while they are there committing the stealing.

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